Be realistic about Rondo (I know it is asking a lot)

[Carhole]

The only fanbase that has a 26 year old in the top 3 alltime playoff triple doubles and somehow finds a way to downplay his worth.

Celtics could win the title this year and somehow Rondo still would be the beneficiary of his teammates greater skill.

More realistically the Celtics could blow a game 7 lead in the 4th quarter and the best player on the team ,Rondo, who can score when he wants and set up anyone when he wants while being guarded by scrubs can get no blame. He can actually be hailed as proving that he can cut up the Heat "whenever he wants"

If you are the best and most important player, should that be in the wins and loses?

[cman88]

Honestly...Rondo doesn't pass the ball well
he is a terrible defender
he can't run an offense
he has no bball iq
his jump shot isn't improving
he isn't athletic
he can't handle the ball
he can't lead a team.......

explains why he led the league in assists right...?

this forum amazes me sometimes, Rondo has a breakout year, has like 15 triple doubles,  was in the convo for MVP and you ppl still find ways to criticize his every move... its amazing.

Circumstances predicts stats, not the always the player
Come on, he has 3 hall of famers on his team. They all demand respect and attention from the opposing team, and are 3 of the best finishers in their own way. This makes Rondo able to rack up triple doubles like its a free throw. Obviously talent has to do with it, no one is saying Rondo has no talent

Name a point guard who hasn't racked up triple doubles. They handle the ball like 95% of the time when they are on the floor. Thats why Lebron gets triple doubles like that, he's basically the Heat's point guard
Its evident that when Pierce handles the point guard duties he racks up triple doubles

this is such a joke, anyone with eyes can see that Rondo is one of the best passers in the league and probably one of the best rebounding guards...thats why he racks up triple doubles.

its no surprise that guys like Brandon bass, shaquille o'neal etc. all have some of their best shooting years playing with Rondo.

[OsirusCeltics]

Honestly...Rondo doesn't pass the ball well
he is a terrible defender
he can't run an offense
he has no bball iq
his jump shot isn't improving
he isn't athletic
he can't handle the ball
he can't lead a team.......

explains why he led the league in assists right...?

this forum amazes me sometimes, Rondo has a breakout year, has like 15 triple doubles,  was in the convo for MVP and you ppl still find ways to criticize his every move... its amazing.

Circumstances predicts stats, not the always the player
Come on, he has 3 hall of famers on his team. They all demand respect and attention from the opposing team, and are 3 of the best finishers in their own way. This makes Rondo able to rack up triple doubles like its a free throw. Obviously talent has to do with it, no one is saying Rondo has no talent

Name a point guard who hasn't racked up triple doubles. They handle the ball like 95% of the time when they are on the floor. Thats why Lebron gets triple doubles like that, he's basically the Heat's point guard
Its evident that when Pierce handles the point guard duties he racks up triple doubles

this is such a joke, anyone with eyes can see that Rondo is one of the best passers in the league and probably one of the best rebounding guards...thats why he racks up triple doubles.

its no surprise that guys like Brandon bass, shaquille o'neal etc. all have some of their best shooting years playing with Rondo.

They had their best shooting years with the Big 3. You really think Bass and Shaq would get all that spacing with just a non-shooting point guard?

[KGs Knee]

I have been tough on Rondo at times, but when I see threads like this after the year he just had, I simply shake my head. Sure the guy still needs to mature and yes he definitely needs to improve his free throw shooting, but I am picking him on my team every time.  As for Ray's hurt feelings, boohoohoo. I have heard enough about that prima Donna to last me a lifetime.

Well said, Vinnie.  TP for you.

[Carhole]

Well he averaged 20 ppg in the miami series (that's consistent). And he DESTROYED miami (the best team in the league) basically alone. His only help was Kg... So if we can't win a championship with a guy like that who else is on your mind ?? D-Rose ?? the same guy that go destroyed by the same miami defense ?? Plus this guy steps up during the playoffs so I personally don't want any other guy on my team when we start the post season...
Seriously guys the Rondo hate has got to stop this guy belongs in the top 2 pg and top 6 players in the league. And he is here to stay so get over it !!!

Do you not understand the definition of connsistent? 20 pts per isnt consistent when you go for 44 in 1 game and then take 101 shots to score your other 101 points.

When was all of this destroying of Miami going on?He was otherworldy in game 2, unfortunately for him it was in a lose. Why did he decide not to do it for the last 12 minutes of the series?

He is top 6 players in the league bc you say so? Oh and ignore the vast majority of the statistical evidence that shows he is a really good player with limitations. Bc he LEAD THE LEAGUE IN ASSISTS, did you know that?

[cman88]

you know, theres no point arguing...if its "so easy" to rack up triple doubles and be only behind Magic Johnson/Jason kidd for playoff Triple-d's then I just dont know what to tell you

[Carhole]

I have been tough on Rondo at times, but when I see threads like this after the year he just had, I simply shake my head. Sure the guy still needs to mature and yes he definitely needs to improve his free throw shooting, but I am picking him on my team every time.  As for Ray's hurt feelings, boohoohoo. I have heard enough about that prima Donna to last me a lifetime.

Well said, Vinnie.  TP for you.

The point of the thread was simply in response to the pages of writing on here predicting or more accurately saying he has proved he can be a scorer and a league mvp.

As i stated in original OP, he is a super unique player who can cause havoc and control a game. Would I trade him for CP3 and think about it for a couple other players - absolutely.

Do i want him gone or feel the need to trade him for a brandon jennings type, absolutely not.

[KGs Knee]

I have been tough on Rondo at times, but when I see threads like this after the year he just had, I simply shake my head. Sure the guy still needs to mature and yes he definitely needs to improve his free throw shooting, but I am picking him on my team every time.  As for Ray's hurt feelings, boohoohoo. I have heard enough about that prima Donna to last me a lifetime.

Well said, Vinnie.  TP for you.

The point of the thread was simply in response to the pages of writing on here predicting or more accurately saying he has proved he can be a scorer and a league mvp.

As i stated in original OP, he is a super unique player who can cause havoc and control a game. Would I trade him for CP3 and think about it for a couple other players - absolutely.

Do i want him gone or feel the need to trade him for a brandon jennings type, absolutely not.

No worries man.

I get it, you see the glass half empty.  It's cool though, cuz I was the one that drank the other half.

[goCeltics]

The 48% is missleading, for his career it is 51%, in the playoffs it was 51%

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/16-rajon-rondo

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

2 years ago it was 54%

it more likely to go up, the more shot he certain to take the better he get at shooting, the things rondo good at you can't learn and the things his bad at you can.

[OsirusCeltics]

you know, theres no point arguing...if its "so easy" to rack up triple doubles and be only behind Magic Johnson/Jason kidd for playoff Triple-d's then I just dont know what to tell you

Triple Doubles are sort of overrated because its more the cause of "circumstance"

So having the best finishers in the league at the time has nothing to do with it for Kidd and Magic??

Kidd (Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson, Kerry Kittles, Jason Terry, Dirk, Shawn Marion, etc.)

Magic (Worthy, Kareem, Byron Scott, AC Green, Cooper)

[Celtics18]

I have been tough on Rondo at times, but when I see threads like this after the year he just had, I simply shake my head. Sure the guy still needs to mature and yes he definitely needs to improve his free throw shooting, but I am picking him on my team every time.  As for Ray's hurt feelings, boohoohoo. I have heard enough about that prima Donna to last me a lifetime.

Well said, Vinnie.  TP for you.

The point of the thread was simply in response to the pages of writing on here predicting or more accurately saying he has proved he can be a scorer and a league mvp.

As i stated in original OP, he is a super unique player who can cause havoc and control a game. Would I trade him for CP3 and think about it for a couple other players - absolutely.

Do i want him gone or feel the need to trade him for a brandon jennings type, absolutely not.

I agree.  He's a significant long shot to win the league MVP trophy next year.  I think he's got a better chance at winning NBA Finals MVP.

[goCeltics]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html

here's shaq's career, he played with nash, hardaway, lebron and kobie guess where he had his best shooting percentage even thou he was 38

enough said

Btw show me the stat that the team with the best point guard TS% wins the series, there's your flaw right there.

once again

enough said

[Carhole]

The 48% is missleading, for his career it is 51%, in the playoffs it was 51%

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/16-rajon-rondo

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

2 years ago it was 54%

it more likely to go up, the more shot he certain to take the better he get at shooting, the things rondo good at you can't learn and the things his bad at you can.

Do you know how bad 51% is ?

Statistically shooting more does not typically improve efficiency.

He has been in the nba for 6 years, you do not think he has taken enough in game shots and practice shots to see progress yet?

[KGs Knee]

you know, theres no point arguing...if its "so easy" to rack up triple doubles and be only behind Magic Johnson/Jason kidd for playoff Triple-d's then I just dont know what to tell you

Triple Doubles are sort of overrated because its more the cause of "circumstance"

So having the best finishers in the league at the time has nothing to do with it for Kidd and Magic??

Kidd (Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson, Kerry Kittles, Jason Terry, Dirk, Shawn Marion, etc.)

Magic (Worthy, Kareem, Byron Scott, AC Green, Cooper)

Care to explain the "circumstance" that allows a 6"1" PG to routinely get 10+ rebounds?

Did they just fall into his lap?

[Carhole]

nash couldn't play with shaq, rondo made shaq better, rondo makes everyone better, enough said.

Again you are wrong man, Shaq had his highest PER 22.4 of his last 7 years his one full season in phx.

Shaq barely played 40 games for boston, how could that possibly prove that Rondo make Shaq better while Nash couldnt play with him?