Looks like Danny is trying for a S&T for Terry.

[Jon]

What I am learning is what I already knew.  A sign and trade with either Hou or Dal is a long shot, especially of the only real compensation is a 2nd round pick.  Do we give up a first?  That's only a bit better but I'd do it, expecially considering the number of young players we already have on the team.

I still tend to agree with this.  Even if the Celtics cover the cost of what they send, do the Mavs really do this for a 2nd round pick?  

I know the perception is that a 2nd round pick is better than nothing, but they're still helping a competitor out.  

Again, I'd love to be completely wrong about this, I just think as a Celtics fan if any other playoff team called up about someone like Pietrus and wanted to give us a second round pick and garbage for him, I'd probably just turn it down.  

If a team wants a second round pick next year, they can usually pick one up for next to nothing on draft day.  

[Fan from VT]

I'm hopeful, but i also don't know why dallas would do this unless we gave them something they wanted, i.e. bradley, JJJ, a good pick (first or good second like charlottes). As others have pointed out, even if we pay Dallas, anything they take in return will count againsth the cap, and they've really been working their capspace; not sure if they want Dooling for 3 million blocking potential amnesty bids, etc, just for a 2nd rounder or something.

Also, they would NOT get a trade exception; trade exceptions are given to teams over the cap when they deal a player into existing capspace on a team UNDER the cap. So not this scenario.

They can use their cap space and then complete the trade if that's an issue. Its a matter of timing.

How? they'd have to renounce his bird rights to use all the capspace, then they couldn't sign him and trade him.

You're right I forgot how much he was still making on his old deal, far more than what his new salary will be.

I have my doubts whether or not the Mavericks will use all of their cap space. It'll depend on whether or not they win Amensty bids probably. That could be the hold up.

I'm not trying to be a downer, i just don't see the incentive from Dallas's perspective unless Boston is giving up something we wouldn't want them to give up (like Bradley or a 1st rounder). Personally, if I were running Dallas, I'd have no interest at all, especially not with these weird amnesty situations in which 3-4 million of capspace now could get you 3 years of Scola! How sucky would it be if accepting Dooling in order to bank a second round pick ruined your chances of paying Scola 3.3 million per year?


I might to this though: Jeff Green at his proposed salary plus a second rounder for Terry S+T and Beaubois or even Green for Marion and Beaubois

[Fafnir]

I'm hopeful, but i also don't know why dallas would do this unless we gave them something they wanted, i.e. bradley, JJJ, a good pick (first or good second like charlottes). As others have pointed out, even if we pay Dallas, anything they take in return will count againsth the cap, and they've really been working their capspace; not sure if they want Dooling for 3 million blocking potential amnesty bids, etc, just for a 2nd rounder or something.

Also, they would NOT get a trade exception; trade exceptions are given to teams over the cap when they deal a player into existing capspace on a team UNDER the cap. So not this scenario.

They can use their cap space and then complete the trade if that's an issue. Its a matter of timing.

How? they'd have to renounce his bird rights to use all the capspace, then they couldn't sign him and trade him.

You're right I forgot how much he was still making on his old deal, far more than what his new salary will be.

I have my doubts whether or not the Mavericks will use all of their cap space. It'll depend on whether or not they win Amensty bids probably. That could be the hold up.

I'm not trying to be a downer, i just don't see the incentive from Dallas's perspective unless Boston is giving up something we wouldn't want them to give up (like Bradley or a 1st rounder). Personally, if I were running Dallas, I'd have no interest at all, especially not with these weird amnesty situations in which 3-4 million of capspace now could get you 3 years of Scola! How sucky would it be if accepting Dooling in order to bank a second round pick ruined your chances of paying Scola 3.3 million per year?


I might to this though: Jeff Green at his proposed salary plus a second rounder for Terry S+T and Beaubois or even Green for Marion and Beaubois

The sign and trade would occur after the other moves in all odds. The Mavericks will make their amnesty bids and see what space they have after that.

[Kane3387]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

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The Dallas Mavericks have successfully claimed Elton Brand off amnesty waivers, a league source tells Y! Sports.


Okay, Dallas, get done with your moves and do something with us! Houston too!

[Fan from VT]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

Jeff Green and Dooling to Toronto

Calderon to Dallas

Marion and Terry to Boston

[Kane3387]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

Jeff Green and Dooling to Toronto

Calderon to Dallas

Marion and Terry to Boston

That wasnt what I said.

[Lucky17]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

Jeff Green and Dooling to Toronto

Calderon to Dallas

Marion and Terry to Boston

That wasnt what I said.

Wasn't what Fisher said either. Fisher's idea didn't work under the CBA.

[AB_Celtic]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

Jeff Green and Dooling to Toronto

Calderon to Dallas

Marion and Terry to Boston

I really don't want to get any older than we already are.

[Fan from VT]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

Jeff Green and Dooling to Toronto

Calderon to Dallas

Marion and Terry to Boston

I really don't want to get any older than we already are.

Well it would give us our backup 1/2 and be an upgrade at the 3/4 over green for 2 more years.

But don't worry, now that I think about it it's impossible, as the new CBA says you can't S+T guys that weren't on your roster at the end of the previous season. And even though we have his bird rights, he wasn't on our roster. Same for Krstic, for example.

[Kane3387]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

Jeff Green and Dooling to Toronto

Calderon to Dallas

Marion and Terry to Boston

I really don't want to get any older than we already are.

Well it would give us our backup 1/2 and be an upgrade at the 3/4 over green for 2 more years.

But don't worry, now that I think about it it's impossible, as the new CBA says you can't S+T guys that weren't on your roster at the end of the previous season. And even though we have his bird rights, he wasn't on our roster. Same for Krstic, for example.

Dallas gets Calderon
Boston gets Terry
Toronto gets cash, picks, and a combination of Dooling S+T, Moore, JJJ, Williams non guaranteed deal

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Interesting, but it's probably easier said than done.  For instance, either the website or the Dallas paper overlooks the fact that it'll take more the a second round pick to get this done, since salaries will have to match.  

Yeah. I read a Mike Fisher (Mavs beat writer) post that threw out the idea of a three-team deal between Boston, Dallas, and Toronto to land Calderon in Dallas.

Only problem is figuring out the outgoing salary for Boston to make it work/worthwhile for Dallas.

Lol he read my post on here yesterday  

Jeff Green and Dooling to Toronto

Calderon to Dallas

Marion and Terry to Boston

No!

[j804]

So if Terry doesn't get introduced tomorrow does that mean a S&T is to likely go down? In order to be introduced in a press conference you have to be inked right?

I'm hoping there is no Terry sighting tomorrow which would mean Danny and Dallas are working on something.

[slamdunk]

I'm hopeful, but i also don't know why dallas would do this unless we gave them something they wanted, i.e. bradley, JJJ, a good pick (first or good second like charlottes). As others have pointed out, even if we pay Dallas, anything they take in return will count againsth the cap, and they've really been working their capspace; not sure if they want Dooling for 3 million blocking potential amnesty bids, etc, just for a 2nd rounder or something.

Also, they would NOT get a trade exception; trade exceptions are given to teams over the cap when they deal a player into existing capspace on a team UNDER the cap. So not this scenario.

They can use their cap space and then complete the trade if that's an issue. Its a matter of timing.

How? they'd have to renounce his bird rights to use all the capspace, then they couldn't sign him and trade him.

You're right I forgot how much he was still making on his old deal, far more than what his new salary will be.

I have my doubts whether or not the Mavericks will use all of their cap space. It'll depend on whether or not they win Amensty bids probably. That could be the hold up.

I'm not trying to be a downer, i just don't see the incentive from Dallas's perspective unless Boston is giving up something we wouldn't want them to give up (like Bradley or a 1st rounder). Personally, if I were running Dallas, I'd have no interest at all, especially not with these weird amnesty situations in which 3-4 million of capspace now could get you 3 years of Scola! How sucky would it be if accepting Dooling in order to bank a second round pick ruined your chances of paying Scola 3.3 million per year?

Perhaps they want to thank us for taking Raef's contract in exchange for Antoine.

[droopdog7]

I could be wrong but I don't believe we can trade Green right now per NBA rules (assuming he as signed his contract).