Penn State to get hammered by NCAA on Monday?

[Moranis]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

I agree it is not a NCAA issue, but the Big Ten is not the NCAA.  I do think it is a Big Ten issue in that Penn State has besmirched the conference's reputation, which affects them all.  The Conference is also much more than just sports as there is a pretty extensive academic network and tie between all of the schools.

I know I posed the initial question, but I actually don't believe the Big Ten should kick out Penn State, but I do think the Big Ten should punish Penn State.  I believe it should ban Penn State from all Big Ten tournaments (in all sports) for one year and should withhold certain revenue from Penn State, which could then go into a fund for the victims (or child molestation victims in general).  

[pennant_fever]

Agreed. The school should be hit with every civil financial liability known to mankind.

What cannot be justified, though, are the calls for the death penalty, for shutting down the Penn State program.

The kids on that team, and the current coaching staff, had absolutely nothing to do with Jerry Sandusky, or the coverup Paterno clearly orchestrated.

Punishing them out of some misguided need for retribution is wrong, and it cannot be intellectually defended.

Why not? By that logic, no school could ever be sanctioned/severely punished as it would affect that kids. Use the Death Penalty, let all the kids transfer, and kill the program for 2 years.

Well, the NCAA has shown a willingness to severely decrease or eliminate punishments if the school shows a willingness to get rid of the people who caused or were involved in the problem. Everyone involved seems to be gone now. I think their penalties are typically used if they will hurt a coaching staff or an institutional hierarchy, but Penn State fired Paterno and the others resigned.

Furthermore, I think most people would agree that the death penalty at SMU was a disaster, and that it really shouldn't be used again. There are plenty of other ways to punish a school and cripple its program (long term bowl bans, loss of many scholarships, etc) without saying it's not allowed to play in games, which hurts anyone who might play that school.

AND, Joe Schad said on ESPN yesterday that it's likely that Penn State FOOTBALL didn't break any rules that the NCAA has. Sandusky wasn't working for the program at the time, and conspiracy to cover up a legal crime by someone not employed within the program isn't exactly under NCAA jurisdiction.

The Big Ten, on the other hand, could conceivably have their own penalties, or kick them out of the conference, like the OP said. That idea is very interesting...especially if they think they can get someone from another conference who would be a better fit (Kansas? Iowa State?).

[Eja117]

I don't want to be an alumni of a school where people can say "Oh yeah. You're the school that covered up Sandusky for football and then just kept playing and nothing happened other than a couple guys losing their jobs and one or two going to jail."  Not good enough. I want to be able to say the stench is totally totally totally gone and the place is completely changed.  

The Catholic Church hasn't really recovered, certainly not in America, and I don't want PSU to be the same thing.

Sometimes you have to cut off a finger to save the hand, but in this case the disease has spread so far we may need to take the whole arm as a precaution, even if it seems unnecessary, because the disease is just that bad.

I don't think the problem at PSU is just a couple guys.

[Rondo2287]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

The school gave a child rapist access to the Penn State Football program so he could continue to rape children.

I mean they may as well have bought him an ice cream truck

Those who knew and did nothing are facing the legal system. 

The entire culture was so warped that the school valued the reputation of the football program over the lives of children. 

This is 100% the definition of lack of institutional control and the NCAA needs to act.

[pennant_fever]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

I agree it is not a NCAA issue, but the Big Ten is not the NCAA.  I do think it is a Big Ten issue in that Penn State has besmirched the conference's reputation, which affects them all.  The Conference is also much more than just sports as there is a pretty extensive academic network and tie between all of the schools.

I know I posed the initial question, but I actually don't believe the Big Ten should kick out Penn State, but I do think the Big Ten should punish Penn State.  I believe it should ban Penn State from all Big Ten tournaments (in all sports) for one year and should withhold certain revenue from Penn State, which could then go into a fund for the victims (or child molestation victims in general).  

I like the way you think! TP for that.

Full disclosure...I went to UW-Madison, so I'm definitely a Big Ten fan. I think a punishment is in order, but I don't like the idea of the death penalty being used on any program, and I think the Big Ten is where the punishment has to come from. I love the idea of setting up a fund for the victims, and maybe to pay for education on the subject or for more oversight of these programs in the Big Ten.

[wdleehi]

Big Ten will not get rid of Penn State.  



They are not giving up a presence in PA.

[Kane3387]

Penn St. should remove itself.

[Rondo2287]

Big Ten will not get rid of Penn State.  



They are not giving up a presence in PA.

I agree.  but like I said below, No penn state sports for one year, no football for two years after that

[pennant_fever]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

The school gave a child rapist access to the Penn State Football program so he could continue to rape children.

I mean they may as well have bought him an ice cream truck

Those who knew and did nothing are facing the legal system. 

The entire culture was so warped that the school valued the reputation of the football program over the lives of children. 

This is 100% the definition of lack of institutional control and the NCAA needs to act.

You're right...definitely lack of institutional control. But it has nothing to do with institutional control relating to the football program. Just because those characters were involved doesn't mean it has anything to do with the team or the program.

If we find out that the Penn State basketball coach (who has since left) had a conversation with Paterno about Sandusky being a molester over lunch in 2004, should the basketball program be banned?

[wdleehi]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

The school gave a child rapist access to the Penn State Football program so he could continue to rape children.

I mean they may as well have bought him an ice cream truck

Those who knew and did nothing are facing the legal system. 

The entire culture was so warped that the school valued the reputation of the football program over the lives of children. 

This is 100% the definition of lack of institutional control and the NCAA needs to act.

Welcome to big time football in a small town.    




It is not about killing a program and school now.  It is about coming up with a better power structure in these schools.

[Eja117]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

How on Earth are the trustees taking the fall in court? How are the janitors who didn't report and their supervisors taking the fall?

I'm not saying a culture of witch hunts has to be established as I think some would like, but the culture of looking the other way has to be totally totally demolished, and not just at PSU.

Since when is the NCAA in charge of janitors?  


What did the trustees know?  Is the NCAA in charge of the trustees?

The trustees are in charge of the school. It's like saying the president has nothing to worry about if one of his departments commits serious crimes. Are you in charge or not? Even I heard about the Sandusky whispers well before this came out. Like a year before. You're telling me the trustees didn't know?
I would think janitors in a football complex with direct knowledge of a heinous crime is more an NCAA issue than a tattoo artist who trades a tattoo for an autograph.  
At some point covering up sports scandals and intimidating witnesses has to matter.

[Rondo2287]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

The school gave a child rapist access to the Penn State Football program so he could continue to rape children.

I mean they may as well have bought him an ice cream truck

Those who knew and did nothing are facing the legal system. 

The entire culture was so warped that the school valued the reputation of the football program over the lives of children. 

This is 100% the definition of lack of institutional control and the NCAA needs to act.

Welcome to big time football in a small town.    




It is not about killing a program and school now.  It is about coming up with a better power structure in these schools.

Its about killing a culture of corruption that allowed this to happen.  

One of the trustees that was just elected ran and used this commercial to get elected.  This program needs to be killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU

[Eja117]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

The school gave a child rapist access to the Penn State Football program so he could continue to rape children.

I mean they may as well have bought him an ice cream truck

Those who knew and did nothing are facing the legal system. 

The entire culture was so warped that the school valued the reputation of the football program over the lives of children. 

This is 100% the definition of lack of institutional control and the NCAA needs to act.

Welcome to big time football in a small town.    




It is not about killing a program and school now.  It is about coming up with a better power structure in these schools.

If you don't take away something they love and live for I'm not sure what the incentive is for that to happen. I don't trust PSU to suddenly start doing the right thing.

[pennant_fever]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

How on Earth are the trustees taking the fall in court? How are the janitors who didn't report and their supervisors taking the fall?

I'm not saying a culture of witch hunts has to be established as I think some would like, but the culture of looking the other way has to be totally totally demolished, and not just at PSU.

Since when is the NCAA in charge of janitors?  


What did the trustees know?  Is the NCAA in charge of the trustees?

The trustees are in charge of the school. It's like saying the president has nothing to worry about if one of his departments commits serious crimes. Are you in charge or not? Even I heard about the Sandusky whispers well before this came out. Like a year before. You're telling me the trustees didn't know?
I would think janitors in a football complex with direct knowledge of a heinous crime is more an NCAA issue than a tattoo artist who trades a tattoo for an autograph.  
At some point covering up sports scandals and intimidating witnesses has to matter.

Sorry...I don't agree. The issue the NCAA had in the Ohio State case was with the players. They definitely didn't do any punishing of the tattoo artist, or parlor, or industry. They punished the players in the system who made a mistake.

I would think a punishment of Sandusky, Paterno, et al as it relates to football jobs would obviously be more than justified, and a ban or the "death penalty" would be useful if the school showed an unwillingness to change its power structure. But everyone's been fired. Unless you know of others involved in leading this conspiracy, I'm not sure what the NCAA is supposed to do here.

[Rondo2287]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU

Just wanna repeat myself here.  A penn state trustee ran 2 months ago on the platform of a public apology to joe paterno and naming him head football coach after death.

He won.