The Bradley 20-8 Run was overrated

[KGs Knee]

I have a serious question for you RayAllen1934.

You have professed yourself to be a Allen fan, first and foremost.  So, are you now a Miami fan and not Celtic fan?

The only reason I ask is, if you are now in fact a Miami fan, you'll need to be careful of trolling.

Fans of other teams are allowed to post here, as far as I'm aware, but usually with stricter guidelines.

But if your still a C's can, that awesome.  Just please show it a little more.

By the way, I'm obviously not a mod, so feel free to take everything I say with a grain of salt.

[rayallen1934]

We beat the Heat 3 times out of 4 this season, only the first game we lost, the 4th nobody was trying. Ray is gone, there's no point in showing Ray that we changed now that there's no going back. Just live with it and AB is not overrated.

is he overrated? NO

is he overrated on here? YES

[rayallen1934]

I have a serious question for you RayAllen1934.

You have professed yourself to be a Allen fan, first and foremost.  So, are you now a Miami fan and not Celtic fan?

The only reason I ask is, if you are now in fact a Miami fan, you'll need to be careful of trolling.

Fans of other teams are allowed to post here, as far as I'm aware, but usually with stricter guidelines.

But if your still a C's can, that awesome.  Just please show it a little more.

By the way, I'm obviously not a mod, so feel free to take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Why does it matter. You can tell by my posting of facts im not trolling.


Is this debate a possible heated one ? YES, because im doubting  a Celtics player. And its no popular.


Many players including Ray have been dogged on here, so this would not be the first time..and im a Ray Allen fan, not necessarily a heat fan. I hated that he left, I really do and always will.

[blink]

I for one disagree.  But more I really wonder what your point of this post is?  You think that if Ray Allen was playing in those games we would have had a better record?  Is that what you are implying?

I really don't know how anyone who watched the C's last year game in game out can say that the reason we got on our run was the lack of competition.  The reason we went on the run was KG got into shape and started playing like the monster he is and AB stepped up big time and added to the clamp down / lock down def.  We were way more athletic and aggressive on both ends and we played to our potential.

So exactly what are you complaining about?

Do people even look at the boxscores. Watching the game is one thing, but when you take a look at the teams they beat, the players who performed and the record. Then compare it to the beginning of the season, you will start to see the real reason why that 20-8 was overrated.

[RJ87]

Who cares about boxscores? This isn't fantasy basketball - AB's energy and defense pumped life into this team. His ability to lock down man-to-man defense allows Rondo to play in the passing lanes which is where he's most effective. He made enough of an impact for Doc to start - which says quite a bit.

On the offensive end, his cutting added a dynamic to our offense that we've never really saw during the old-Big 3 era. I don't think its a coincidence that Rondo had one of the most consistent scretches of his career when Bradley started in the backcourt with him.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I for one disagree.  But more I really wonder what your point of this post is?  You think that if Ray Allen was playing in those games we would have had a better record?  Is that what you are implying?

I really don't know how anyone who watched the C's last year game in game out can say that the reason we got on our run was the lack of competition.  The reason we went on the run was KG got into shape and started playing like the monster he is and AB stepped up big time and added to the clamp down / lock down def.  We were way more athletic and aggressive on both ends and we played to our potential.

So exactly what are you complaining about?

Do people even look at the boxscores. Watching the game is one thing, but when you take a look at the teams they beat, the players who performed and the record. Then compare it to the beginning of the season, you will start to see the real reason why that 20-8 was overrated.

How many days did those 20-8 games come in? No matter the competition ANY team can beat you on ANY given day! A lot of factors of last season made the teams we face harder to defeat than just the players on that team! If it had nothing to do with AB, do you think Doc would have risked Ray's ego and would he change what had been working if it was? I guess Doc and everyone else (the people who really know and not some "fan") must be lying b/c they all credit the change to AB as the catalyst for the better play... mainly b/c of his defense! Before AB moved into the starting lineup KG and PP both had already begun to play much better... we still were losing! Are "you" telling me KG and PP were playing terrible until the last 28 games? Come on now!

[celticsleyte]

Bradley really brought it last year. We will have another chance to see his impact when he rejoins the team during this season. (It should be easy to compare games without and with AB) I think he is a very good building block for the C's his shoulder injuries are very unfortunate not only did we need him against the heat in the playoffs he will not be able to work on his handle this summer.  I do not feel like Bradley will need to make excuses though he should be playing very well during the stretch run and the playoffs.

[xmuscularghandix]

He also was the difference before that streak. He won 2-3 games with just his ball pressure alone... not to mention the games he started in place of Rondo.

[Sketch5]

Who cares about boxscores? This isn't fantasy basketball - AB's energy and defense pumped life into this team. His ability to lock down man-to-man defense allows Rondo to play in the passing lanes which is where he's most effective. He made enough of an impact for Doc to start - which says quite a bit.

On the offensive end, his cutting added a dynamic to our offense that we've never really saw during the old-Big 3 era. I don't think its a coincidence that Rondo had one of the most consistent scretches of his career when Bradley started in the backcourt with him.

Ah! Beat me too it. Boxscore = crap

When you watched the game the offense flowed much nicer. The old offense became more predictable. 4 guys standing around waiting for each other to move. Or every one set a screen for Ray and the other team gets to were he's going before he does.

YEs once in a while it did work, but thats why the offense lagged at times, thats why Rondo spoke up about AB starting thats why Doc agreed, and why PP and Kg didn't say boo about it.

I love what Ray did for the team. But he was more valuable coming off the bench, and yes he played like a champ with the bone spurs, but some time you need to know when to pull the plug...

[Vermont Green]

We played well when Bradley started in place of Rondo too.  It is surprising to me that majority thinking on Bradley went very quickly from shouldn't even be in the league, waste of a draft pick, etc. to DA's best draft pick ever.

I like Bradley, and if you go back and look, you will see that I was behind him all the way.  He is going to get better too but I don't think he is going to be better than Ray Allen this coming season.  I think he will be good, just not Ray Allen good.  I also don't think he is quite ready to be a full time starter this season.  I hope they can get a line up where he comes off the bench.

[rayallen1934]

I for one disagree.  But more I really wonder what your point of this post is?  You think that if Ray Allen was playing in those games we would have had a better record?  Is that what you are implying?

I really don't know how anyone who watched the C's last year game in game out can say that the reason we got on our run was the lack of competition.  The reason we went on the run was KG got into shape and started playing like the monster he is and AB stepped up big time and added to the clamp down / lock down def.  We were way more athletic and aggressive on both ends and we played to our potential.

So exactly what are you complaining about?

Do people even look at the boxscores. Watching the game is one thing, but when you take a look at the teams they beat, the players who performed and the record. Then compare it to the beginning of the season, you will start to see the real reason why that 20-8 was overrated.

How many days did those 20-8 games come in? No matter the competition ANY team can beat you on ANY given day! A lot of factors of last season made the teams we face harder to defeat than just the players on that team! If it had nothing to do with AB, do you think Doc would have risked Ray's ego and would he change what had been working if it was? I guess Doc and everyone else (the people who really know and not some "fan") must be lying b/c they all credit the change to AB as the catalyst for the better play... mainly b/c of his defense! Before AB moved into the starting lineup KG and PP both had already begun to play much better... we still we losing! Are "you" telling me KG and PP were playing terrible until the last 28 games? Come on now!

The Celtics played the Lakers twice. Two big games for Celtics and Celtic fans right?

The first on February 9th 2012

We lost that game 88-87 .............1 POINT

Kevin Garnett was 6-23

Paul Pierce was 7-18 , 18 points ,did contribute with 7 assists

Ray Allen was a decent 9-20, 22 points

2nd game

Allen 6-13, 17 points, 6 assists

Pierce 4-14 , 13 points

Garnett, 7-11, 14 points , 0 attempts at the FT LINE




All i know is you continue to look at these games. The real reason the Celtics were not better was because these guys either were lazy, or not in shape...

So it made Ray look a lot worse...

That 20-8 record could have easily been 20-8 or better, the way these guys finally kicked into high gear, especially Garnett...


The more and more i see , I begin to think Rondo didnt want Allen here anymore. And that was the biggest reason for Ray's crazy decision

[Smitty77]

Rayallen1934,

As I mentioned in a different post, Ray ALWAYS seemed to get up and play well vs. Kobe.  His defense against Bryant was literally three times as good and intense as it was vs. ANY OTHER player.  Why couldn't he defend like that on a nightly basis??

For the record, the Celtics were +15 points with Bradley on the court and -4 points with him on the bench.  That should be the END of this silly discussion!

Smitty77

[RockinRyA]

lol

watch the games and dont rely on boxscores alone. allen had decent shooting nights judging from the boxscore but was in no way playing well. +/- is not perfect, but bradley leads our team along with kg in it, even while playing injured last playoffs and shooting miserably.

allen meanwhile, has some playoff games when he had the worst +/-
i believe he even had a -31 where he and hollins were the worst.

its not a perfect stat, but it is an indicator of how much an impact a player has on the team.

stop babying ray and bashing bradley.

[Lord of Mikawa]

Watching those games, Bradley brought that spark that our team needed. Before that we were heading for the lottery.

[rayallen1934]

lol

watch the games and dont rely on boxscores alone. allen had decent shooting nights judging from the boxscore but was in no way playing well. +/- is not perfect, but bradley leads our team along with kg in it, even while playing injured last playoffs and shooting miserably.

allen meanwhile, has some playoff games when he had the worst +/-
i believe he even had a -31 where he and hollins were the worst.

its not a perfect stat, but it is an indicator of how much an impact a player has on the team.

stop babying ray and bashing bradley.

Thanks for proving my point....+/- doesnt mean much, but you brought it up

an injured Ray Allen had the best +/- in the HEAT series. And he was injured. So you lose on this one.

Game 6......

Rondo -25
Allen -6
Garnett-16
Pierce -20


Game 1 even more of the same

Rondo -15
Allen -9
Gernett -9

Pierce -11


Pierce the worst player in that series i guess.