Pierce the centerpiece of a trade for Howard?

[TripleOT]

The Nets deal is garbage for Orlando.  Signing Lopez to max money is insane.  If the Cs wanted to jump into the mix, and wanted to give Howard a situation where he could win a title, Rondo has to stay here. 

Since Bass and Green can't be in a trade to Orlando right now, Pierce is the guy to go.  The magic are trying to dump JRich also, and he can take Pierce minutes. Boston would need a third team who wants Pierce, and that would be the Clippers

Clippers send Caron Butler, Eric Bledsoe and Ryan Gomes (expiring) to the Magic

Boston sends Bradley, JJJ, Sean Williams, 2013 and 2015 1sts

Charlotte's 2013 2nd, 2014 second to Magic, Pierce to the Clips
Orlando sends Howard and J Rich to Boston.

The Magic don't take on any really bad salary, and get some promising young pieces to use or trade, in AB and Bledsoe.  Williams deal is not guaranteed, and IIRC Gomes is only partially guaranteed, so they can cut them and save like $3m. The maic will be under the cap next season, and will have room to sin an impact FA or two.  They can move Butler at the deadline for more picks/younger assets. They don't get a franchise guy to replace Howard, but get a lot of flexibility and picks along with young assets like AB and Bledsoe. 

The Suns get a scorer and crunch time closer. 

The Cs will have an incredible defensive team and will contend. 

Rondo, JF
JRich, Courtney Lee
Green
KG, Bass,
D Ho, Melo   

[jyyzzoel]

The Nets deal is garbage for Orlando.  Signing Lopez to max money is insane.  If the Cs wanted to jump into the mix, and wanted to give Howard a situation where he could win a title, Rondo has to stay here. 

Since Bass and Green can't be in a trade to Orlando right now, Pierce is the guy to go.  The magic are trying to dump JRich also, and he can take Pierce minutes. Boston would need a third team who wants Pierce, and that would be the Clippers

Clippers send Caron Butler, Eric Bledsoe and Ryan Gomes (expiring) to the Magic

Boston sends Bradley, JJJ, Sean Williams, 2013 and 2015 1sts

Charlotte's 2013 2nd, 2014 second to Magic, Pierce to the Clips
Orlando sends Howard and J Rich to Boston.

The Magic don't take on any really bad salary, and get some promising young pieces to use or trade, in AB and Bledsoe.  Williams deal is not guaranteed, and IIRC Gomes is only partially guaranteed, so they can cut them and save like $3m. The maic will be under the cap next season, and will have room to sin an impact FA or two.  They can move Butler at the deadline for more picks/younger assets. They don't get a franchise guy to replace Howard, but get a lot of flexibility and picks along with young assets like AB and Bledsoe. 

The Suns get a scorer and crunch time closer. 

The Cs will have an incredible defensive team and will contend. 

Rondo, JF
JRich, Courtney Lee
Green
KG, Bass,
D Ho, Melo   

yeah ive been thinking the same thing about pierce as the centrepiece to get dwight - but man - you put up a really good proposal. i havent checked the salaries, but if they work - really good idea.

[wahz]

who is JF?

[smokeablount]

The Nets deal is garbage for Orlando.  Signing Lopez to max money is insane.  If the Cs wanted to jump into the mix, and wanted to give Howard a situation where he could win a title, Rondo has to stay here. 

Since Bass and Green can't be in a trade to Orlando right now, Pierce is the guy to go.  The magic are trying to dump JRich also, and he can take Pierce minutes. Boston would need a third team who wants Pierce, and that would be the Clippers

Clippers send Caron Butler, Eric Bledsoe and Ryan Gomes (expiring) to the Magic

Boston sends Bradley, JJJ, Sean Williams, 2013 and 2015 1sts

Charlotte's 2013 2nd, 2014 second to Magic, Pierce to the Clips
Orlando sends Howard and J Rich to Boston.

The Magic don't take on any really bad salary, and get some promising young pieces to use or trade, in AB and Bledsoe.  Williams deal is not guaranteed, and IIRC Gomes is only partially guaranteed, so they can cut them and save like $3m. The maic will be under the cap next season, and will have room to sin an impact FA or two.  They can move Butler at the deadline for more picks/younger assets. They don't get a franchise guy to replace Howard, but get a lot of flexibility and picks along with young assets like AB and Bledsoe. 

The Suns get a scorer and crunch time closer. 

The Cs will have an incredible defensive team and will contend. 

Rondo, JF
JRich, Courtney Lee
Green
KG, Bass,
D Ho, Melo   

From a salary standpoint it's better, from a talent standpoint it's probably worse, and from a bargaining standpoint it's a nightmare.  They get players from multiple teams, 2-3 good ones, but none are top 3 or even top 4, and no good firsts. it's a worse offer than teague (underrated and still tons of potential) and horford. i will admit, that orlando team would be a good tanking team, but if they're building a tanking team, they can do it with half the league- why not send him out west? 

I'm sure if we landed Dwight Howard, I would learn to love him quickly, but I hate the idea of sending Pierce out of a Celtics jersey for that db*g without giving him a shot to redeem his playoffs. in my opinion he was our 2nd best player during the regular season and i was 7-8 when the trade mchale etc time frame occurred so I don't feel the need to cut bait based on bad past experiences. I hope it's my only illogical argument on Celticsblog.

[Django]

loyalty 

[TheFlex]

I'm confused about a few things: 1) who's JF? 2) What does Charlotte get in return? 3) Where exactly do the Suns come into this? 5) It's debatable that Bledsoe, Bradley, Pierce, Butler, and two picks> Lopez and three picks. Talent wise certainly but Pierce's contract is killer to any team that isn't named the Celtics because nostalgia doesn't factor into his value and three picks for a rebuilding team is better than two. They want cap space and picks. And I also think the prospect of sending Howard off on good terms is undervalued. We might not like Howard but I'm sure a good deal of players do and it's crucial to Orlando that he has good things to say about them. If he goes to Brooklyn they can just put this all behind them. If he goes to another team, they may get a better offer but I guarantee Baby Howard will continue to put a cloud over the organization by complaining to the media about how poorly they handled his departure.

[Brendan]

Celtics would have to do that... but I'd hate to see it happen.

Maybe LAC is motivated to help us in that situation so DH doesn't go to LAL.

Can I imagine that Pierce gets injured in preseason, misses the year, declines his option, then rejoins the Celtics as 6th man in 2013?

[nostar]

who is JF?

I think he meant JT for Jason Terry but I'm only guessing.

Also if I read this right Orlando gets:
Butler/Bledsoe/Gomes/Bradley/JJJ/Williams, two 1sts (from a top 3 playoff team) and two 2nds in exchange for Howard and someone eating JRich's contract. I guess if they wanted 4 picks, 2 good guards and a washed up SF then that is enough but my guess is they want more than two rotation players in Bledsoe and Bradley and fliers/expiring/old on 4 others.

For the record I'm 100% for this. I personally do not see this getting it done and I'm not sure what would entice the Clippers (aside from mutual Laker hatred) to agree to take on Pierce's salary for 2 years. Oh yeah and the part where Paul would block the deal by threatening to retire.

We could offer those same picks, Bradley, eat JRich's contract and tack on the Purduo (if they want them) to get a similar deal. If they bite we would have to amnesty Pierce for cap room with the added bonus of ensuring he can't hostage the deal. Orlando gets the same picks, sheds the same players and takes no messy salary from Butler/Gomes.

Sadly Orlando won't take that deal either. 4 picks in the late 1st and 2nd rounds + Bradley isn't gonna cut it. Maybe if we somehow managed to eat Turk's contract too...

Fantasy land!

[eugen]

DH12 is gonna be the future of this team if he signs for Cs. Do not forget taht KG and PP are not younger anymore

[TripleOT]

who is JF?

JT  (typo)  Jason Terry

The trade works on ESPN Trade machine.  I don't think Pierce would retire.  he'd get to play in his hometown.  The Clips would probably do the deal if they truly want to contend. 

Orlando would get a bunch of picks and no cap clogging contracts.  Butler should be flippable at the trade deadline for more assets. 

It's not a great deal for Orlando, but if they can't get Bynum, and D Ho says no to a depleted roster once Teague and Horford are shipped out for him, it might be as good as Houston's offer.  Houston has the Toronto lottery pick, but not much int he way of players.  AB and Bledsoe are young talents that could be used or traded for picks and/or young players who might be a better roster fit. 

Regarding the issue of trading Paul Pierce, I think Ainge would trade him for a top 7 player like Howard. If Ainge isn't at least exploring things with the Magic, he's not doing his job.   

[reelbig4]

I rather see the celtics losing the next 82 games before trading Pierce, is like loving Doc for tanking the season in 2000Idon'tremember just to get Durant, and smiling in the front of the tv, when Doc was laughing after a game the celtics loss in that year, simply detrimental for any hardcore fan of the celtics.

[j804]

won't happen Pierce and KG will end up probably just retiring here and I'm fine with that

[jyyzzoel]

who is JF?

 If Ainge isn't at least exploring things with the Magic, he's not doing his job.   

danny explores EVERYTHING! thats why i love him as a GM - he casts his net far an wide - whatever he can haul in, he does. He tries his hardest in other words... and is smart about how he goes about it.

[mctyson]

The Nets deal is garbage for Orlando.  Signing Lopez to max money is insane.  If the Cs wanted to jump into the mix, and wanted to give Howard a situation where he could win a title, Rondo has to stay here. 

Since Bass and Green can't be in a trade to Orlando right now, Pierce is the guy to go.  The magic are trying to dump JRich also, and he can take Pierce minutes. Boston would need a third team who wants Pierce, and that would be the Clippers

Clippers send Caron Butler, Eric Bledsoe and Ryan Gomes (expiring) to the Magic

Boston sends Bradley, JJJ, Sean Williams, 2013 and 2015 1sts

Charlotte's 2013 2nd, 2014 second to Magic, Pierce to the Clips
Orlando sends Howard and J Rich to Boston.

The Magic don't take on any really bad salary, and get some promising young pieces to use or trade, in AB and Bledsoe.  Williams deal is not guaranteed, and IIRC Gomes is only partially guaranteed, so they can cut them and save like $3m. The maic will be under the cap next season, and will have room to sin an impact FA or two.  They can move Butler at the deadline for more picks/younger assets. They don't get a franchise guy to replace Howard, but get a lot of flexibility and picks along with young assets like AB and Bledsoe. 

The Suns get a scorer and crunch time closer. 

The Cs will have an incredible defensive team and will contend. 

Rondo, JF
JRich, Courtney Lee
Green
KG, Bass,
D Ho, Melo   

Why is Charlotte in this deal giving up 2 second round picks for free? 

There is no way on earth Orlando ever does that trade.

[Freeease1]

What Happens to sully in this deal? For the record I a,Opposed to it because i tjink now we should keep Pierce along with Garnett.  It looks good however. I am sure Orlando will not setttle for it.