Ray did a good job screwing the team over

[tonyto3690]

The obvious bits and pieces are in relation to joining the enemy, the Heat.

But the secondary problems occur from the hole he leaves.  Instead of being stacked at the guard position and having the BAE to spend on a center, we're stuck with the need to find a temporary starting SG along with a massive hole at center.  If Ray had resigned here it wouldn't have cost an exception, would have put us at the right spot to sign Terry easily and we wouldn't have to overpay Green. 

We would have been in perfect shape for this season if Ray had just resigned.  We'd be stacked at 1-4, and have an exception in the backpocket to stock up at the 5.   Instead, now we need to find a SG and probably overpay him as he won't be playing a whole lot when Bradley gets back, and find a starting C or at least capable backup.

[Roy H.]

Ray was a free agent.  It's not his responsibility to fill all the team holes for the Celtics.  

If the Celtics wanted Ray in green, they should have talked extension with him last season (as he requested), rather than telling him that he was being traded to Memphis.

The Celtics decided to gamble on Ray's future.  That was their choice, and a legitimate one.  However, by letting Ray hit the open market, they knew this was a potential consequence.

I don't think we can blame all our problems on Ray, though.  What exception would we still have if Ray signed here?  The Green contract was basically worked out in advance of Ray signing in Miami.  We still wouldn't have had any money for a legit center, regardless of what Ray had done.

Regardless, we have Terry and Bradley, both of whom can play SG.  We can offer Pietrus a raise to come back.  We have sign-and-trade options for Courtney Lee.  We'll be fine.

[Lightskinsmurf]

If we get LEE ray won't be missed.

[Finkelskyhook]

The obvious bits and pieces are in relation to joining the enemy, the Heat.

But the secondary problems occur from the hole he leaves.  Instead of being stacked at the guard position and having the BAE to spend on a center, we're stuck with the need to find a temporary starting SG along with a massive hole at center.  If Ray had resigned here it wouldn't have cost an exception, would have put us at the right spot to sign Terry easily and we wouldn't have to overpay Green. 

We would have been in perfect shape for this season if Ray had just resigned.  We'd be stacked at 1-4, and have an exception in the backpocket to stock up at the 5.   Instead, now we need to find a SG and probably overpay him as he won't be playing a whole lot when Bradley gets back, and find a starting C or at least capable backup.

I don't know what hole you're talking about.  

There aren't going to be close to enough minutes to go around when Bradley comes back.  Allen would have gotten more minutes than he should have then he would have been "disrespected" playing the 20 or so minutes he should be playing ....And will be playing in Miami.  

Pierce will slide down to SG for 5-10mpg....Or any number of options will be there for Rivers for the temporary 15-20mpg we're talking about.  

[wahz]

Ray was a free agent.  It's not his responsibility to fill all the team holes for the Celtics.  

If the Celtics wanted Ray in green, they should have talked extension with him last season (as he requested), rather than telling him that he was being traded to Memphis.

The Celtics decided to gamble on Ray's future.  That was their choice, and a legitimate one.  However, by letting Ray hit the open market, they knew this was a potential consequence.

I don't think we can blame all our problems on Ray, though.  What exception would we still have if Ray signed here?  The Green contract was basically worked out in advance of Ray signing in Miami.  We still wouldn't have had any money for a legit center, regardless of what Ray had done.

Regardless, we have Terry and Bradley, both of whom can play SG.  We can offer Pietrus a raise to come back.  We have sign-and-trade options for Courtney Lee.  We'll be fine.

I guess no one wants to say this but not plugging the hole at Center forces KG to play center, which he will do and its a great thing for the team. But sure I get that we need someone there to back him up.

[CelticG1]

Love people defending ray when him leaving us is pretty bad and isn't even "even comparable to what others have done on the NBA as far as leaving as a free agent. Anyone not viewing it as an utter slap in the face must not be thinking clearly.

People are free to do a lot of things doesn't mean when they act on those things you can't look at them and say "I guess your kind of a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. "

Anybody else pulls this move and they don't get patted on the butt on the way out. Just funny cause Ray Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ed pretty much every year about something, having to change his role, not getting enough shots, not starting, people not passing to him.

He would always have that politically correct answer followed up with complaining about something

[popcontest]

You can tell that Wyc is still p---ed about Ray's decision to leave:

http://www.csnne.com/pages/celticsvideo?PID=uvXM2-_LhkoYtAcbzae9XKMqMTZZYUKgBrmCHM

[snively]

I'm wondering if a Ray sign and trade might still be possible.

I wonder if either team would do Ray for Joel Anthony and the Philly pick - preserves the MMLE for Miami, gives Boston an overpaid but decent 3rd string center and a useful pick and gets Ray more money/less guilt about leaving his old team with nothing. 

Probably not enough MMLE big man targets to make it worth the Heat's while.

[clover]

I'm wondering if a Ray sign and trade might still be possible.

I wonder if either team would do Ray for Joel Anthony and the Philly pick - preserves the MMLE for Miami, gives Boston an overpaid but decent 3rd string center and a useful pick and gets Ray more money/less guilt about leaving his old team with nothing. 

Probably not enough MMLE big man targets to make it worth the Heat's while.

Is Anthony worth more than Wilcox on the vet minimum?  And isn't the hope that the C's two 1st rounders can split the 3rd-string center duties?  (I'm still hoping Stiemer slips in as the first reserve.)

Then I don't think it would be worth it to help Miami out like that.

[Roy H.]

Love people defending ray when him leaving us is pretty bad and isn't even "even comparable to what others have done on the NBA as far as leaving as a free agent. Anyone not viewing it as an utter slap in the face must not be thinking clearly.

People are free to do a lot of things doesn't mean when they act on those things you can't look at them and say "I guess your kind of a **** "

Anybody else pulls this move and they don't get patted on the butt on the way out. Just funny cause Ray ****ed pretty much every year about something, having to change his role, not getting enough shots, not starting, people not passing to him.

He would always have that politically correct answer followed up with complaining about something

Who are Celtics fans to tell another man where he should -- or must -- work or raise his family?

[Change]

Left for pity reasons. What happened to being a professional.  Stabbed Doc, Pierce, and Garnett in the heart.

Thanks a lot Judas Shuttlesworth.

[the_Bird]

Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. that.  We Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and moan all the time about professional athletes sticking it out for every last dime.  Ray Allen left a good amount of money to go to what he felt was a better situation for him, professionally, and now we're going to complain that he did so?

Thank you, Ray Allen, for being a professional in your five years here.  Thank you for 2008.  Thank you for coming off the bench, even though it killed your pride.  Thank you for not complaining publicly when Danny tried to trade you last year.  Thank you for not undermining the team; from all accounts, last year's locker room was as good as 2008, despite your personal frustrations.  Thank you for playing hurt last year (likely hurting your market value this summer), because even playing at 60% or 70% on bad ankles we needed you.

We'll move forward.

[snively]

I'm wondering if a Ray sign and trade might still be possible.

I wonder if either team would do Ray for Joel Anthony and the Philly pick - preserves the MMLE for Miami, gives Boston an overpaid but decent 3rd string center and a useful pick and gets Ray more money/less guilt about leaving his old team with nothing. 

Probably not enough MMLE big man targets to make it worth the Heat's while.

Is Anthony worth more than Wilcox on the vet minimum?  And isn't the hope that the C's two 1st rounders can split the 3rd-string center duties?  (I'm still hoping Stiemer slips in as the first reserve.)

Then I don't think it would be worth it to help Miami out like that.

I think Anthony's a decent Stiemsma replacement that doesn't cost us the BAE (opening up for Wilcox or Pietrus).  Not the rebounder and shot blocker Stiemsma is, but a better pick and roll defender and post defender.  Lesser player overall, IMHO, but useful and a nice security blanket.

The pick is the real reason to make the deal though. 

[Interceptor]

Ray was a free agent.  It's not his responsibility to fill all the team holes for the Celtics.

Who said it was?  Allen did a number on us options-wise, the subject line of this thread and the OP are both basically a matter of fact.

[Roy H.]

Ray was a free agent.  It's not his responsibility to fill all the team holes for the Celtics.

Who said it was?  Allen did a number on us options-wise, the subject line of this thread and the OP are both basically a matter of fact.

It's not a "fact" when you use language like "screwing the team over".

Ray didn't screw anybody, because he never did anything underhanded.  He told the team he was exploring his options, and he did so.  That's not a screw job, that's an open market decision.  It's no different than a guy who works at Staples deciding to leave to a job at Kinko's, because it's closer to home and he prefers the employee discount.