Stop shopping Rondo, and he will become a bigger force

[lon3lytoaster]

I think this might be the first off season where there haven't been any Rondo trade rumors. Glad to see that.

And whoever said Rajon isn't captain material.. Wow. This guy has gone well out of his way to get the team together and build chemistry. I agree in the past, probably not captain material. Now? He's our general and the definition of what a captain should be.

[BballTim]

I disagree, the market is defined by what Danny has demanded, not by what other teams are willing to give. Just because nobody has met Danny's price doesn't mean the cost of getting Rondo is going down.

I actually don't follow this logic.  When you put a house on the market, is the market set by what the seller wants or what the buyer wants?  Danny can say he wants nothing less than Chris Paul for Rondo but that does not set the market unless there is a buyer who agrees.

That doesn't mean that just because the market doesn't value Rondo as much as the Celtics do, that Danny is wrong and the market is right, it just means that there is no market.  It also makes Rondo untradeable but not for the reasons most people reference.

Rondo just needs a reliable shot and then everyone can will say that he is a star, he is elite, it is his team, whatever superlative you want.  Until he gets that though, there will be debate on that and for good reason, and we will not get a Chris Paul calibar player in return for him, whether we want to or not.

Maybe this will be the year of the shot for Rondo.

  The pool of people who think that Rondo isn't a star because of his shot has dried up quite a bit over the last year or two.

[FatjohnReturns]

The Big 3 era is officially over, it is now time to move on to the next phase of the Boston Celtics - The Rajon Rondo era. The club has to make this transistion loud and clear, I would suggest making Rondo team captain or co-captain, but we do not want to p--- off The Truth (lol). But really, sending out a loud and clear message that Rondo is the main attraction and draw for the Celtics will only help his game and the team overall.

The NBA is a player's and star league. The league office and the officials recognize this and the superstars are rewarded on the court with calls. If Rondo is declared and promoted as the Boston star he will almnost immediately start making the all-defense team his steals will go up because he will be giving the benefit of the doubt on steal vs. foul calls, and he will get to the line more. The effect of getting to the line more even if he does not score is to put the other team in the penalty for easier scores at the foul line for our better foul shooters. One of the problems we had with the Big 3 is that there was not one designated STAR on the celtics so the referees did not give any one celtic star treatment. It is time to correct this and designate RONDO the Star on the Celtics.

There is so much wrong here not sure where to begin.

First of all its still Pauls team and Garnett is definetly the motor and the best player. Without Garnett we would be a 40 win club at best.

Rondo should not be captain. Pierce should continue to be.

Practically this whole paragraph from start to finish is just plain ridiculous. Sorry

"The NBA is a player's and star league. The league office and the officials recognize this and the superstars are rewarded on the court with calls. If Rondo is declared and promoted as the Boston star he will almnost immediately start making the all-defense team his steals will go up because he will be giving the benefit of the doubt on steal vs. foul calls, and he will get to the line more. The effect of getting to the line more even if he does not score is to put the other team in the penalty for easier scores at the foul line for our better foul shooters. One of the problems we had with the Big 3 is that there was not one designated STAR on the celtics so the referees did not give any one celtic star treatment. It is time to correct this and designate RONDO the Star on the Celtics"

 

[BballTim]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

[FatjohnReturns]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

You speaking for Doc, Danny and all the players now?
provide links for Doc, Danny and all the players saying its Rondos team and Ill answer the question.

[bfrombleacher]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

You speaking for Doc, Danny and all the players now?
provide links for Doc, Danny and all the players saying its Rondos team and Ill answer the question.

Doc (on KG and the Truth):
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2012/09/30/celtics-following-the-leaders/

“I don’t know if they’re pulling or stepping back,” said Doc Rivers. “I think him and Kevin are stepping back more to allow Rondo to do his job. I think they think that’s the best for our team.”

DA:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“Rajon is really becoming a leader and I’m not sure a few years ago we could have said that,’’ Celtics GM Danny Ainge said Friday at the annual Media Day. “He obviously is a great player, but, right before our eyes, he is growing as a person and a leader. I think the hardest thing to do is convince guys like Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce that you’re a leader. And that’s something you can’t just give to somebody. It has to be earned. I think he is earning that respect from them.”

Doc:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“He is the leader,’’ Rivers said. “Three years ago, he was learning how to be a leader. Two years ago, he got better. Last year, he got a lot better. Now, he’s here.”

Edit:

Bass also talked about how there is no one true leader on the team. Sometimes it'll be the Jet, sometimes it'll be KG, it can be Pierce. He also talked about how Rondo is definitely one of them I believe.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/09/over-25-hours-of-video-footage-from.html

It's about 15 minutes into the vid.



The beauty of this team is that this kind of crap doesn't really matter. There is no personal agenda. I don't think any of them really care if they're "more important". They just want to win and they'll do whatever it takes.

The addition of more high character guys like C-Lee and the Jet just builds upon that.


Edit 2:
Here's a quote from Jason Collins that was also mentioned in the interview:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/blogs/courtsideview/x21082102/Scoring-not-exactly-the-point-for-new-Celtics-center-Jason-Collins

“We have a lot of scorers here,” Collins said at today’s Shamrock Classic charity golf tournament at The International in Bolton. “I don’t think they’ll be counting on me for that. But as far as going out there and guarding the Dwight Howards and Andrew Bynums in this league, that’s my job.”

The 7-foot Collins, who looks noticeably slimmed down from his listed weight of 255 pounds from last year, said he is looking to seize any chance he gets to contribute toward a goal he’s never realized.

“This was my best opportunity to win an NBA championship,” he said. “We have a lot of depth on this team. A lot of guys who could be playing a lot of big minutes someplace else are all buying in and sacrificing to try to win a title.”

I know it's a bit off topic but this team is just too awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxQ0L-EQ1Q

[FatjohnReturns]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

You speaking for Doc, Danny and all the players now?
provide links for Doc, Danny and all the players saying its Rondos team and Ill answer the question.

Doc (on KG and the Truth):
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2012/09/30/celtics-following-the-leaders/

“I don’t know if they’re pulling or stepping back,” said Doc Rivers. “I think him and Kevin are stepping back more to allow Rondo to do his job. I think they think that’s the best for our team.”

DA:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“Rajon is really becoming a leader and I’m not sure a few years ago we could have said that,’’ Celtics GM Danny Ainge said Friday at the annual Media Day. “He obviously is a great player, but, right before our eyes, he is growing as a person and a leader. I think the hardest thing to do is convince guys like Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce that you’re a leader. And that’s something you can’t just give to somebody. It has to be earned. I think he is earning that respect from them.”

Doc:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“He is the leader,’’ Rivers said. “Three years ago, he was learning how to be a leader. Two years ago, he got better. Last year, he got a lot better. Now, he’s here.”

When Kg and Pierce are retired then will see if Rondo has what it takes to be a leader. Then he will sink or swim on his own. The Celtics team at the point in the future will follow him whichever way he goes.

For now Rondos influence over the team is protected by Pierce and Garnetts leadership

What your reading is press to build Rondos confidence in his ability to lead and in his teammates faith in him.

[BballTim]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

You speaking for Doc, Danny and all the players now?
provide links for Doc, Danny and all the players saying its Rondos team and Ill answer the question.

  Honestly, haven't you been following the team at all?

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/2012/09/28/rajon-rondo-embracing-role-leader-with-celtics/kNxowi8u2caLpDVbyFVCdJ/story.html

  "Rondo confirmed he had been designated a leader by coach Doc Rivers in a meeting last season that included Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce.

“We had a meeting to start the season and they said this is my team,” Rondo said on Friday."

  You could probably find similar things at the herald, weei, csnne or the front page of celticsblog. It's not exactly a state secret.

  So go ahead, answer the question.

[BballTim]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

You speaking for Doc, Danny and all the players now?
provide links for Doc, Danny and all the players saying its Rondos team and Ill answer the question.

Doc (on KG and the Truth):
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2012/09/30/celtics-following-the-leaders/

“I don’t know if they’re pulling or stepping back,” said Doc Rivers. “I think him and Kevin are stepping back more to allow Rondo to do his job. I think they think that’s the best for our team.”

DA:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“Rajon is really becoming a leader and I’m not sure a few years ago we could have said that,’’ Celtics GM Danny Ainge said Friday at the annual Media Day. “He obviously is a great player, but, right before our eyes, he is growing as a person and a leader. I think the hardest thing to do is convince guys like Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce that you’re a leader. And that’s something you can’t just give to somebody. It has to be earned. I think he is earning that respect from them.”

Doc:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“He is the leader,’’ Rivers said. “Three years ago, he was learning how to be a leader. Two years ago, he got better. Last year, he got a lot better. Now, he’s here.”

When Kg and Pierce are retired then will see if Rondo has what it takes to be a leader. Then he will sink or swim on his own. The Celtics team at the point in the future will follow him whichever way he goes.

For now Rondos influence over the team is protected by Pierce and Garnetts leadership

What your reading is press to build Rondos confidence in his ability to lead and in his teammates faith in him.

  So the thought is that he can lead players like PP and KG but not players like Bradley or Green?

[FatjohnReturns]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

You speaking for Doc, Danny and all the players now?
provide links for Doc, Danny and all the players saying its Rondos team and Ill answer the question.

Doc (on KG and the Truth):
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2012/09/30/celtics-following-the-leaders/

“I don’t know if they’re pulling or stepping back,” said Doc Rivers. “I think him and Kevin are stepping back more to allow Rondo to do his job. I think they think that’s the best for our team.”

DA:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“Rajon is really becoming a leader and I’m not sure a few years ago we could have said that,’’ Celtics GM Danny Ainge said Friday at the annual Media Day. “He obviously is a great player, but, right before our eyes, he is growing as a person and a leader. I think the hardest thing to do is convince guys like Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce that you’re a leader. And that’s something you can’t just give to somebody. It has to be earned. I think he is earning that respect from them.”

Doc:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“He is the leader,’’ Rivers said. “Three years ago, he was learning how to be a leader. Two years ago, he got better. Last year, he got a lot better. Now, he’s here.”

When Kg and Pierce are retired then will see if Rondo has what it takes to be a leader. Then he will sink or swim on his own. The Celtics team at the point in the future will follow him whichever way he goes.

For now Rondos influence over the team is protected by Pierce and Garnetts leadership

What your reading is press to build Rondos confidence in his ability to lead and in his teammates faith in him.

  So the thought is that he can lead players like PP and KG but not players like Bradley or Green?

No wrong. No one said that. Its impossible to discuss anything about Rondo with you. You have no objectivity regarding Rondo. Anything that promotes Rondo you will believe. Anything that lessens Rondo you will dismiss every time.
 

[BballTim]

First of all its still Pauls team

  Why is it Paul's team? Because you say so, even though Doc and Danny and the players disagree with you?

You speaking for Doc, Danny and all the players now?
provide links for Doc, Danny and all the players saying its Rondos team and Ill answer the question.

Doc (on KG and the Truth):
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2012/09/30/celtics-following-the-leaders/

“I don’t know if they’re pulling or stepping back,” said Doc Rivers. “I think him and Kevin are stepping back more to allow Rondo to do his job. I think they think that’s the best for our team.”

DA:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“Rajon is really becoming a leader and I’m not sure a few years ago we could have said that,’’ Celtics GM Danny Ainge said Friday at the annual Media Day. “He obviously is a great player, but, right before our eyes, he is growing as a person and a leader. I think the hardest thing to do is convince guys like Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce that you’re a leader. And that’s something you can’t just give to somebody. It has to be earned. I think he is earning that respect from them.”

Doc:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697537/ainge-rivers-rondo-is-celtics-leader

“He is the leader,’’ Rivers said. “Three years ago, he was learning how to be a leader. Two years ago, he got better. Last year, he got a lot better. Now, he’s here.”

When Kg and Pierce are retired then will see if Rondo has what it takes to be a leader. Then he will sink or swim on his own. The Celtics team at the point in the future will follow him whichever way he goes.

For now Rondos influence over the team is protected by Pierce and Garnetts leadership

What your reading is press to build Rondos confidence in his ability to lead and in his teammates faith in him.

  So the thought is that he can lead players like PP and KG but not players like Bradley or Green?

No wrong. No one said that. Its impossible to discuss anything about Rondo with you. You have no objectivity regarding Rondo. Anything that promotes Rondo you will believe. Anything that lessens Rondo you will dismiss every time.

  You respond to a post with multiple quotes about how Rondo's the leader of the team by saying that after they retire we'll see if he has what it takes to be a leader. But *clearly* he's a leader now. What other conclusion could people possibly draw other than what I said?

  Sorry if it upsets you when I disagree with your claims, like Rondo isn't the leader of the team in spite of the fact that everyone related to the team that he is, or that any nba level pg could do what he does. *Clearly* you're full of objectivity when it comes to Rondo.

  By the way, you said you'd answer the question if I provided you with a link, and I did. So why do you disagree with Danny, Doc and the players about whether Rondo's the leader of the team?

[indeedproceed]

I disagree, the market is defined by what Danny has demanded, not by what other teams are willing to give. Just because nobody has met Danny's price doesn't mean the cost of getting Rondo is going down.

I actually don't follow this logic.  When you put a house on the market, is the market set by what the seller wants or what the buyer wants?  Danny can say he wants nothing less than Chris Paul for Rondo but that does not set the market unless there is a buyer who agrees.

That doesn't mean that just because the market doesn't value Rondo as much as the Celtics do, that Danny is wrong and the market is right, it just means that there is no market.  It also makes Rondo untradeable but not for the reasons most people reference.

You're right, I used the wrong word. Danny has defined the asking price. Just because nobody is willing to match the asking price doesn't mean it will drop. (which makes more sense as a distinction in the context I made the initial comment).

[FatjohnReturns]

No I am not upset. I just get tired of the constant Rondo propaganda. Its bs

You want objectivity I can go back threw my posts and find threads where I gave Rondo credit for good play. I can also go back threw yours and its all onesided thus unbelievable.

Of course they are calling him a leader. He has been here the longest besides Pierce.  What do you expect them to do
sideline him and his massive ego?

If the team slides out of contention once Pierce and Garnett retire I fully expect a return of Drama Queen Rondo.

[BballTim]

No I am not upset. I just get tired of the constant Rondo propaganda. Its bs

You want objectivity I can go back threw my posts and find threads where I gave Rondo credit for good play. I can also go back threw yours and its all onesided thus unbelievable.

  So the guy's a been an all-star the last 3 years, garnered mvp votes the last 2 years and Doc says he's the smartest player he's ever been around and you give him credit for the occasional good play? How big of you.

  You could also go back through my old posts and find plenty of times where I've agreed with people about his jump shooting and free throw woes. I doubt that really qualifies as one-sided.

  As for the Rondo "propaganda", it's not all bs. You seem to think he's a fairly average player, but that's not really the norm. He makes all-defense teams. He makes all-star teams. He gets a fair amount of votes for all-nba teams. He gets mvp votes. He finished pretty high in espn's nba rank. People associated with the Celts say that he's their best player. None of that's me, none of that's celticsblog propaganda.