Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green

[LEHGOCELTICS]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract. 

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

That deal I could swallow, but 3 years at 9+ million per year is something we need to walk away from.

[Celtics18]

9 mil for Green is a bit steep, but not totally outrageous. What I thought when I saw Beasley's deal is this contract should set the market for players like OJ Mayo and Nick Young. Like Beasley, these guys are talented, but they come with blemished reputations.  All three players are about the same age and their career numbers are similar.

If 6 mil per year becomes the price for Mayo and Young, I kinda hope  they get signed instead of Ray

We can afford to pay Ray that because we have his Bird Rights.  We won't have the cap space to offer that kind of salary to Mayo or Young.

I was hoping a S&T could be worked out with the clippers if ray picks them. Same thing with Memphis for Mayo.  Either Ray or Bass for OJ. I would prefer Young. He does not seem like a bad kid. Just stupid

I wouldn't want to give up Bass for another shooting guard, but if Ray decides not to come back and we can work out some kind of sign and trade with him, then, sure, why not.

[Who]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract. 

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

[action781]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract. 

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

Interesting.  So, what would your plan be to fill the backup SF minutes and the starting SG (or backup if Terry starts) minutes while Bradley is out without the availability of the MLE?

If Ray comes back (which I'm not optimistic about), I think we could afford to let Green walk.  If Ray leaves, I think our hands are tied and we have to resign Green to a less than desirable contract.  Rondo, Bradley (starting season injured), Terry, and Pierce cannot man the 1-3 positions by themselves all season along with only a single BAE player and vet mins.  If we try to do that, we are wasting money and putting a non-contending team on the floor. 

[KGs Knee]

Beasley sucks and is a selfish, care-less player.  Can't believe anyone would offer this money for such a player.  Qll the talent in the world is worthless when you aren't nterested in laying the right way.

I sure hope ths contract doesn't "set the market".  Green isn't worth this kind of money either.  Sure, he's a good guy and a hard worker, but is nothing spectacular and coming off a serious heart condition.  Way too big of a risk to give more than the MLE (basically replacement value).

[Who]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract. 

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

Interesting.  So, what would your plan be to fill the backup SF minutes and the starting SG (or backup if Terry starts) minutes while Bradley is out without the availability of the MLE?

If Ray comes back (which I'm not optimistic about), I think we could afford to let Green walk.  If Ray leaves, I think our hands are tied and we have to resign Green to a less than desirable contract.  Rondo, Bradley (starting season injured), Terry, and Pierce cannot man the 1-3 positions by themselves all season along with only a single BAE player and vet mins.  If we try to do that, we are wasting money and putting a non-contending team on the floor. 

Yes, this is one of my main concerns with Ray Allen leaving. With the uncertainty around Jeff Green, I thought that insurance on the wing was very valuable. Hope he stays, he'd be a big lift.

I'd love to bring Pietrus back. No idea whether he'd be willing to do that or not (given the contract limitations) but maybe he would if that playing time was available.

I also like DeShawn Stevenson for the minimum. Nice physical power two guard.

Rodney Carney is a player I like quite a lot. I think he has elite defensive potential. Also available for the minimum.

Carlos Delfino is another one. Minimum or bi-annual. He'd make a good backup SF.

Matt Barnes as a fall-back. Tracy McGrady another fall-back (more as a creator offensively).

Grant Hill would be a really nice option for the bi-annual if Danny could get him. Very good backup SF. Brings most of what Jeff Green brings to the table.

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I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract.  

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

Interesting.  So, what would your plan be to fill the backup SF minutes and the starting SG (or backup if Terry starts) minutes while Bradley is out without the availability of the MLE?

If Ray comes back (which I'm not optimistic about), I think we could afford to let Green walk.  If Ray leaves, I think our hands are tied and we have to resign Green to a less than desirable contract.  Rondo, Bradley (starting season injured), Terry, and Pierce cannot man the 1-3 positions by themselves all season along with only a single BAE player and vet mins.  If we try to do that, we are wasting money and putting a non-contending team on the floor.  

Yes, this is one of my main concerns with Ray Allen leaving. With the uncertainty around Jeff Green, I thought that insurance on the wing was very valuable. Hope he stays, he'd be a big lift.

I'd love to bring Pietrus back. No idea whether he'd be willing to do that or not (given the contract limitations) but maybe he would if that playing time was available.

I also like DeShawn Stevenson for the minimum. Nice physical power two guard.

Rodney Carney is a player I like quite a lot. I think he has elite defensive potential. Also available for the minimum.

Carlos Delfino is another one. Minimum or bi-annual. He'd make a good backup SF.

Matt Barnes as a fall-back. Tracy McGrady another fall-back (more as a creator offensively).

Grant Hill would be a really nice option for the bi-annual if Danny could get him. Very good backup SF. Brings most of what Jeff Green brings to the table.

I hope we keep Quisy around for this reason.  He's an incredibly versatile player and seems willing to accept any (or no) role and play for the minimum.  Great 11th guy to have, since he should be more like 7th or 8th.

But I sign Green to a deal at $6M per to start easily.  He gets Ray and Bass' money since he can fill both on the wing and at backup PF (Bass' natural role).

[Roy H.]

I think the market for Green is probably somewhere between Beasley (a selfish player who Minnesota was looking to give away at last year's trade deadline, and who they didn't attempt to re-sign) and Nic Batum (a good but not great "glue" type guy who could eventually become more than that).

So, between $6 million and a reported $12.5 million (contingent upon what the Celtics doctors are saying about recovery from surgery).  As much as I'm not in love with Green, I do think I'd prefer him on my team to Super Beas.

[ScottHow]

5-6 million per sounds right to me. In a perfect world he'd be ok with that number bc of how we treated his situation last season. Reports were that he really appreciated how the Celtics handled things.

[mctyson]

Beasley has reportedly accepted a 3 year, 18 million offer from the Phoenix Suns. As a player that is similar to Green in being a SF/undersized PF and game, I feel like Ainge would be insane to give Green anything over 7 million. I mean Ainge must try to retain him given that we own his bird rights and because he partly represents the future of the team, but anything like the 9 million that his agent is asking is too much. Do you guys agree?

I think Jeff Green is a better player than Beasley right now.  Beasley is now on his 3rd team and he is only 23 years old.  It is clear teams are not very high on him any more.

Having said that, I don't see Green getting $9M.  $7M is more likely, though I wouldn't be surprised at $5M to $6M per year.  I think we could get him under $6M if we offered him 4 years.

[RJ87]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract. 

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

I don't get why people think Green is going to be a different player post-heart surgery. I mean, its an aortic aneurysm repair - it either works and the issue is fixed, or it doesn't and the patient dies. There's no in between. This isn't an orthopedic issue where you're dealing with restoring functionality and range of motion. You have to account for rust from missing a year, but unless Green also had ACL or rotator cuff surgery he will be able to do the same things he did before. The biggest hurdle for him is overcoming the fear aspect - which judging from some of the posts about him it appears he's not the only one.

[the_Bird]

What worries me is that if Danny's thinking of paying $8M - $9M per season for Green...  he's not doing that so Green can come off the bench.  And since Pierce isn't going anywhere, we're looking at Jeff Green as being the likely starting "power" forward - and Green just isn't that good as the 4.  He doesn't rebound enough, and he's not physical enough.  OKC became a much better team after the trade, in no small part because they weren't playing Jeff Green 35MPG out of position, which is exactly what's most likely to happen now.

Also, you aren't giving Green that kind of money AND giving Brandon Bass the kind of contract that he's looking for.  Those two guys, I think, are fighting for the same role on the team and the same piece of the budget. 

[celtsfan84]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract.  

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

I don't get why people think Green is going to be a different player post-heart surgery. I mean, its an aortic aneurysm repair - it either works and the issue is fixed, or it doesn't and the patient dies. There's no in between. This isn't an orthopedic issue where your dealing with restoring functionality and range of motion. You have to account for rust from missing a year, but unless Green also had ACL or rotator cuff surgery he will be able to do the same things he did before. The biggest hurdle for him is overcoming the fear aspect - which judging from some of the posts about him it appears he's not the only.

TP.  Having heart surgery doesn't diminish ability to run, jump, or shoot as long as the Celtics doctors clear him.  I trust the Celtics doctors will do their jobs.

[Who]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract.  

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

I don't get why people think Green is going to be a different player post-heart surgery. I mean, its an aortic aneurysm repair - it either works and the issue is fixed, or it doesn't and the patient dies. There's no in between. This isn't an orthopedic issue where your dealing with restoring functionality and range of motion. You have to account for rust from missing a year, but unless Green also had ACL or rotator cuff surgery he will be able to do the same things he did before. The biggest hurdle for him is overcoming the fear aspect - which judging from some of the posts about him it appears he's not the only.

TP.  Having heart surgery doesn't diminish ability to run, jump, or shoot as long as the Celtics doctors clear him.  I trust the Celtics doctors will do their jobs.

I am surprised so many feel that heart surgery isn't a big deal.

Do many athletes come back from this and play at as high level than before? I am asking. I don't know.

[Snakehead]

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract.  

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.

Yes, I'd let him walk.

I don't trust him to be the same player he was prior to heart surgery.

I don't get why people think Green is going to be a different player post-heart surgery. I mean, its an aortic aneurysm repair - it either works and the issue is fixed, or it doesn't and the patient dies. There's no in between. This isn't an orthopedic issue where your dealing with restoring functionality and range of motion. You have to account for rust from missing a year, but unless Green also had ACL or rotator cuff surgery he will be able to do the same things he did before. The biggest hurdle for him is overcoming the fear aspect - which judging from some of the posts about him it appears he's not the only.

TP.  Having heart surgery doesn't diminish ability to run, jump, or shoot as long as the Celtics doctors clear him.  I trust the Celtics doctors will do their jobs.

I am surprised so many feel that heart surgery isn't a big deal.

Do many athletes come back from this and play at as high level than before? I am asking. I don't know.

They do.  Everything I've read and heard says you are actually fine after this.

It's what Ronny Turiaf had if I'm not mistaken and he's totally fine.