Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)

[celtsfan84]

Wasn't a cheapshot at you, 84.

I find los Nash and Fisher two of the most phony, flopping, classles individuals in the sport.

I got that.  Sorry if I overreacted.  When has Nash been classless though?  I am a big fan of his.

[MBunge]

You are ignoring the fact many things in that post.  

You are ignoring that Lopez and Humphries are both free agents.  In other words, you will have to be the highest bidder (overpay them).  Otherwise they will sign with other teams as a free agent.

You are ignoring that they will take up 2 spots in a starting lineup.  The Magic can put another player in at PF, so totaling production doesn't make sense.

You are ignoring that these guys put up big numbers on a bad team.  Lopez, Humphries, and Brooks put you so close to a championship, that adding them to Deron Williams (one of the best PGs in the league) wins you about 20 games.  Why is this?  Will the Magic have a better PG than Deron Williams?

Isn't acquiring the core of a 20 win team without its best player a recipe for 20 wins?

Why not trade for Bynum and sign players equal to Humphries, Brooks, and the two #1s in free agency?  Which should be very easy to do.  You can cherry pick good 1st Round picks all you want (or guys that you think are good 1st round picks) but there are bad ones too.

Believe it or not, some of those guys you named will end up being unproductive.  It happens every year at the bottom of the 1st Round.

Here's what you're ignoring.

1.  Andrew Bynum is a headcase with a history of injuries.

2.  Swapping Bynum for Howard neither makes Orlando a better team nor addresses any of the other problems they have nor makes the rebuilding process any easier.

3.  The main reason the Nets were so bad was because Lopez was injured almost all year.

4.  By your logic, no team with Paul Pierce could ever win a championship because he was on teams that only won 33 and 24 games.

5.  Extra 1st round picks are one of the main ways to rid yourself of awful contracts and/or players.  No one's taking Big Baby or Jason Richardson by themselves.  With a 1st rounder thrown in?  Who knows.

It is nice that you gave up on the whole "Steve Nash can play all the minutes he needs to" thing.

Mike

[CelticsFanNC]

  The Lakers for the past several seasons have struggled mightily  to guard opposing PG's.  It has killed them.  How do you fix that?  Bring in the absolute worst defensive PG in the NBA?  

  They are bringing in a guy who is indeed a great play maker, one of the very best ever but they already have Kobe who doesn't like to give up the ball to anyone and wants to be his team primary scorer and ball handler.  Who plays off the ball, Nash or Kobe?

  I can't wait to see this blow up in LA's face.

[celtsfan84]

You are ignoring the fact many things in that post.  

You are ignoring that Lopez and Humphries are both free agents.  In other words, you will have to be the highest bidder (overpay them).  Otherwise they will sign with other teams as a free agent.

You are ignoring that they will take up 2 spots in a starting lineup.  The Magic can put another player in at PF, so totaling production doesn't make sense.

You are ignoring that these guys put up big numbers on a bad team.  Lopez, Humphries, and Brooks put you so close to a championship, that adding them to Deron Williams (one of the best PGs in the league) wins you about 20 games.  Why is this?  Will the Magic have a better PG than Deron Williams?

Isn't acquiring the core of a 20 win team without its best player a recipe for 20 wins?

Why not trade for Bynum and sign players equal to Humphries, Brooks, and the two #1s in free agency?  Which should be very easy to do.  You can cherry pick good 1st Round picks all you want (or guys that you think are good 1st round picks) but there are bad ones too.

Believe it or not, some of those guys you named will end up being unproductive.  It happens every year at the bottom of the 1st Round.

Here's what you're ignoring.

1.  Andrew Bynum is a headcase with a history of injuries.

2.  Swapping Bynum for Howard neither makes Orlando a better team nor addresses any of the other problems they have nor makes the rebuilding process any easier.

3.  The main reason the Nets were so bad was because Lopez was injured almost all year.

4.  By your logic, no team with Paul Pierce could ever win a championship because he was on teams that only won 33 and 24 games.

5.  Extra 1st round picks are one of the main ways to rid yourself of awful contracts and/or players.  No one's taking Big Baby or Jason Richardson by themselves.  With a 1st rounder thrown in?  Who knows.

It is nice that you gave up on the whole "Steve Nash can play all the minutes he needs to" thing.

Mike

Making things up and attributing them to another poster must be fun.  Nash will play in the 32-35 minute range.  I never "gave up on that" or said that he will "play all the minutes he needs to".  Please re-read my posts or have someone read them to you.

1. Brook Lopez could be considered a headcase with a current injury.  Maybe not in the same way as Lopez, but his head isn't on straight either.  Marshon Brooks slipped in the draft because he was considered a headcase.  No need to even start on Kris Humphries.

2. This trade solves no problem for Orlando either, and replaces the best rebounding center in the league with the worst.  Way to fix the rebounding!

3. I wouldn't say that was the main reason at all.  Your opinion, I disagree.

4. You are obviously not understanding my logic.  This core of players won 20 games wih Deron Williams.  Please remind me of the season where Pierce and 2 other good players (as you seem to think all 3 are good players) won 20 games with a player like Deron Williams. You are ignoring that this is three players we are talking about, not one.  You are also ignoring Deron Williams, the best player on the team.

5. Congratulations, you made a valid point.  Now please enlighten me as to all the minutes Rajon Rondo plays as if that makes any difference in a Steve Nash to the Lakers trade.

[MBunge]

You are ignoring the fact many things in that post.  

You are ignoring that Lopez and Humphries are both free agents.  In other words, you will have to be the highest bidder (overpay them).  Otherwise they will sign with other teams as a free agent.

You are ignoring that they will take up 2 spots in a starting lineup.  The Magic can put another player in at PF, so totaling production doesn't make sense.

You are ignoring that these guys put up big numbers on a bad team.  Lopez, Humphries, and Brooks put you so close to a championship, that adding them to Deron Williams (one of the best PGs in the league) wins you about 20 games.  Why is this?  Will the Magic have a better PG than Deron Williams?

Isn't acquiring the core of a 20 win team without its best player a recipe for 20 wins?

Why not trade for Bynum and sign players equal to Humphries, Brooks, and the two #1s in free agency?  Which should be very easy to do.  You can cherry pick good 1st Round picks all you want (or guys that you think are good 1st round picks) but there are bad ones too.

Believe it or not, some of those guys you named will end up being unproductive.  It happens every year at the bottom of the 1st Round.

Here's what you're ignoring.

1.  Andrew Bynum is a headcase with a history of injuries.

2.  Swapping Bynum for Howard neither makes Orlando a better team nor addresses any of the other problems they have nor makes the rebuilding process any easier.

3.  The main reason the Nets were so bad was because Lopez was injured almost all year.

4.  By your logic, no team with Paul Pierce could ever win a championship because he was on teams that only won 33 and 24 games.

5.  Extra 1st round picks are one of the main ways to rid yourself of awful contracts and/or players.  No one's taking Big Baby or Jason Richardson by themselves.  With a 1st rounder thrown in?  Who knows.

It is nice that you gave up on the whole "Steve Nash can play all the minutes he needs to" thing.

Mike

Making things up and attributing them to another poster must be fun.  Nash will play in the 32-35 minute range.  I never "gave up on that" or said that he will "play all the minutes he needs to".  Please re-read my posts or have someone read them to you.

1. Brook Lopez could be considered a headcase with a current injury.  Maybe not in the same way as Lopez, but his head isn't on straight either.  Marshon Brooks slipped in the draft because he was considered a headcase.  No need to even start on Kris Humphries.

2. This trade solves no problem for Orlando either, and replaces the best rebounding center in the league with the worst.  Way to fix the rebounding!

3. I wouldn't say that was the main reason at all.  Your opinion, I disagree.

4. You are obviously not understanding my logic.  This core of players won 20 games wih Deron Williams.  Please remind me of the season where Pierce and 2 other good players (as you seem to think all 3 are good players) won 20 games with a player like Deron Williams. You are ignoring that this is three players we are talking about, not one.  You are also ignoring Deron Williams, the best player on the team.

5. Congratulations, you made a valid point.  Now please enlighten me as to all the minutes Rajon Rondo plays as if that makes any difference in a Steve Nash to the Lakers trade.

1.  Comparing either Lopez, Humphries or Brooks to Bynum on either the injury front or the headcase front is laughable.  There's another point you've given up on.

2.  The Nets trade actually does fix some of Orlando's problems in that it greatly increases their roster flexiblity.  Instead of being Atlanta Hawks South, they've got multiple picks and players to package together to either get better or just clear salaries and get worse for the lottery.

3+4.  Lopez was hurt almost all of last year.  You can't say the Nets suck for losing all those games last year and ingore the fact they lost their starting center and probably 2nd best player on the team for the almost the whole season.

5.  The point was, as I demonstrated, Nash played considerably fewer minutes in his last playoff run than you claimed.  The idea he'll play more than that now is, as I previously said, laughable.

Mike

[celtsfan84]

You are ignoring the fact many things in that post.  

You are ignoring that Lopez and Humphries are both free agents.  In other words, you will have to be the highest bidder (overpay them).  Otherwise they will sign with other teams as a free agent.

You are ignoring that they will take up 2 spots in a starting lineup.  The Magic can put another player in at PF, so totaling production doesn't make sense.

You are ignoring that these guys put up big numbers on a bad team.  Lopez, Humphries, and Brooks put you so close to a championship, that adding them to Deron Williams (one of the best PGs in the league) wins you about 20 games.  Why is this?  Will the Magic have a better PG than Deron Williams?

Isn't acquiring the core of a 20 win team without its best player a recipe for 20 wins?

Why not trade for Bynum and sign players equal to Humphries, Brooks, and the two #1s in free agency?  Which should be very easy to do.  You can cherry pick good 1st Round picks all you want (or guys that you think are good 1st round picks) but there are bad ones too.

Believe it or not, some of those guys you named will end up being unproductive.  It happens every year at the bottom of the 1st Round.

Here's what you're ignoring.

1.  Andrew Bynum is a headcase with a history of injuries.

2.  Swapping Bynum for Howard neither makes Orlando a better team nor addresses any of the other problems they have nor makes the rebuilding process any easier.

3.  The main reason the Nets were so bad was because Lopez was injured almost all year.

4.  By your logic, no team with Paul Pierce could ever win a championship because he was on teams that only won 33 and 24 games.

5.  Extra 1st round picks are one of the main ways to rid yourself of awful contracts and/or players.  No one's taking Big Baby or Jason Richardson by themselves.  With a 1st rounder thrown in?  Who knows.

It is nice that you gave up on the whole "Steve Nash can play all the minutes he needs to" thing.

Mike

Making things up and attributing them to another poster must be fun.  Nash will play in the 32-35 minute range.  I never "gave up on that" or said that he will "play all the minutes he needs to".  Please re-read my posts or have someone read them to you.

1. Brook Lopez could be considered a headcase with a current injury.  Maybe not in the same way as Lopez, but his head isn't on straight either.  Marshon Brooks slipped in the draft because he was considered a headcase.  No need to even start on Kris Humphries.

2. This trade solves no problem for Orlando either, and replaces the best rebounding center in the league with the worst.  Way to fix the rebounding!

3. I wouldn't say that was the main reason at all.  Your opinion, I disagree.

4. You are obviously not understanding my logic.  This core of players won 20 games wih Deron Williams.  Please remind me of the season where Pierce and 2 other good players (as you seem to think all 3 are good players) won 20 games with a player like Deron Williams. You are ignoring that this is three players we are talking about, not one.  You are also ignoring Deron Williams, the best player on the team.

5. Congratulations, you made a valid point.  Now please enlighten me as to all the minutes Rajon Rondo plays as if that makes any difference in a Steve Nash to the Lakers trade.

1.  Comparing either Lopez, Humphries or Brooks to Bynum on either the injury front or the headcase front is laughable.  There's another point you've given up on.

2.  The Nets trade actually does fix some of Orlando's problems in that it greatly increases their roster flexiblity.  Instead of being Atlanta Hawks South, they've got multiple picks and players to package together to either get better or just clear salaries and get worse for the lottery.

3+4.  Lopez was hurt almost all of last year.  You can't say the Nets suck for losing all those games last year and ingore the fact they lost their starting center and probably 2nd best player on the team for the almost the whole season.

5.  The point was, as I demonstrated, Nash played considerably fewer minutes in his last playoff run than you claimed.  The idea he'll play more than that now is, as I previously said, laughable.

Mike

You also claimed Nash plays barely half the game, a point you seem to have long conceded as it is beyond laughable.  And by the way, the Suns gave him extra rest during that playoff run because Goran Dragic was playing well.  He just signed a $34 million deal to be the starting point guard for the Suns, in fact.  

Those extra 1st Round picks will come in handy when they inevitably have to salary dump either Lopez or Humphries.  Maybe both.

They were 2-3 with him last year, including a win over Charlotte.  I can see how you think they would have been elite had he been healthy.

Comparing Pierce as the only good player on bad teams to Humphries and Brooks playing with DERON WILLIAMS is laughable.  What an insult to the Captain.  On a Celtics forum no less. Shameful.

[Finkelskyhook]

You also claimed Nash plays barely half the game, a point you seem to have long conceded as it is beyond laughable.

The biggest effort at anything los Nash does on the defensive end is when he brushes his hair out of his eyes.  los Nash is essentially no more mobile on defense than Gheorge Muresan was.

Therefore a person could make the case that he barely plays half the game. 

I see that being a train wreck with a defensive oriented coach and somebody who plays with the intensity of Kobe.

[Neurotic Guy]

Not sure I understand the back and forth going on here (my fault -- not reading carefull today), but if it is about minutes on the Lakers, I do think it is a concern.  Their bench is not strong although Sessions/Blake gives them nice back-up to Nash.   But to win consistently, this team will need to stay away from major injuries (not unlike most teams) and will have to play their core-four significant minutes.   I think Nash is the only starter with luxury as Sessions and Blake are there -- therefore he'll be able to play 30 MPG. 

I think Jason Terry could have as big an impact on the C's as Nash has on the Lakers.  I think it will depend upon LAs willingness to allow Nash to run the offense when he's in -- and whether he can continue to stroke the 3 at a good rate (no reason why he shouldn't unless his 38/39 year old legs start to give out a little). 

[slamdunk]

You are ignoring the fact many things in that post.  

You are ignoring that Lopez and Humphries are both free agents.  In other words, you will have to be the highest bidder (overpay them).  Otherwise they will sign with other teams as a free agent.

You are ignoring that they will take up 2 spots in a starting lineup.  The Magic can put another player in at PF, so totaling production doesn't make sense.

You are ignoring that these guys put up big numbers on a bad team.  Lopez, Humphries, and Brooks put you so close to a championship, that adding them to Deron Williams (one of the best PGs in the league) wins you about 20 games.  Why is this?  Will the Magic have a better PG than Deron Williams?

Isn't acquiring the core of a 20 win team without its best player a recipe for 20 wins?

Why not trade for Bynum and sign players equal to Humphries, Brooks, and the two #1s in free agency?  Which should be very easy to do.  You can cherry pick good 1st Round picks all you want (or guys that you think are good 1st round picks) but there are bad ones too.

Believe it or not, some of those guys you named will end up being unproductive.  It happens every year at the bottom of the 1st Round.

Here's what you're ignoring.

1.  Andrew Bynum is a headcase with a history of injuries.

2.  Swapping Bynum for Howard neither makes Orlando a better team nor addresses any of the other problems they have nor makes the rebuilding process any easier.

3.  The main reason the Nets were so bad was because Lopez was injured almost all year.

4.  By your logic, no team with Paul Pierce could ever win a championship because he was on teams that only won 33 and 24 games.

5.  Extra 1st round picks are one of the main ways to rid yourself of awful contracts and/or players.  No one's taking Big Baby or Jason Richardson by themselves.  With a 1st rounder thrown in?  Who knows.

It is nice that you gave up on the whole "Steve Nash can play all the minutes he needs to" thing.

Mike

6. Bynum is ufa after next season, so Orlando will likely be in the same situation.