Why Are We Assuming that Ray Allen Won't Start?

[rayallen1934]

lol at everyone thinking AB is going to be a starter in this league by cutting and shooting wide open corner threes that nobody cared about


This isnt little league, when hes a starter teams will figure it out , then AB has to show who he truly is


and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players




some of you are just really do not know the game.

posts like this make me want to throw up inside my own mouth

So throw up inside your mouth. You got nothing to comeback with 

[BballTim]

lol at everyone thinking AB is going to be a starter in this league by cutting and shooting wide open corner threes that nobody cared about


This isnt little league, when hes a starter teams will figure it out , then AB has to show who he truly is


and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players




some of you are just really do not know the game.

  Are teams ever going to figure out that players like Novak, Mike Miller and James Jones like to shoot threes? Because they get open looks all the time.

Really, Novak did what in the playoffs, shoot 9 shots in 23 minutes a game? 5 games total? 9 shots? 4 for 9 , 2 threes in the last 3 minutes of a blowout game 1.

When you got Lebron James and Wade your going to get open looks no matter what...see Shane Battier? or did suck pierce on closing out on him?

Ray Allen is a different specimen on shooting, he doesnt have to be completely open to get off and make a 3,

Mike Miller or Novak cannot shoot a 3 unless they are open for 5 seconds with nobody around

  Yes. My point was that they get those open looks, like it's little league and teams haven't figured out in all the years those guys have been in the league that they take and hit those wide open shots. You act like once teams figure out Bradley's game he won't get open threes from the corner anymore. The reality is that he will, just like most players do multiple times a game.
 

[kozlodoev]

and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players

some of you are just really do not know the game.

Bradley is 6'3.25". At least some of us are just really know the facts.

[European NBA fan]

The problem is that we need flexibility from Ray at this point in his carreer, and I guess that's not his strong side. Whether Bradley is a starting shooting guard or not will take some time to figure out, but we clearly needed his defense to take some of the toll off Rondo, and we needed Ray as a boost to the bench. This may change again, but Ray has to be on board for whatever happens.

[wasi]

lol at everyone thinking AB is going to be a starter in this league by cutting and shooting wide open corner threes that nobody cared about


This isnt little league, when hes a starter teams will figure it out , then AB has to show who he truly is


and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players




some of you are just really do not know the game.

  Are teams ever going to figure out that players like Novak, Mike Miller and James Jones like to shoot threes? Because they get open looks all the time.

Really, Novak did what in the playoffs, shoot 9 shots in 23 minutes a game? 5 games total? 9 shots? 4 for 9 , 2 threes in the last 3 minutes of a blowout game 1.

When you got Lebron James and Wade your going to get open looks no matter what...see Shane Battier? or did suck pierce on closing out on him?

Ray Allen is a different specimen on shooting, he doesnt have to be completely open to get off and make a 3,

Mike Miller or Novak cannot shoot a 3 unless they are open for 5 seconds with nobody around

Everyone says he's smaller than he is, as another poster said he is legitimately slightly over 6' 3".

To start I don't care what happened over a 5 game stretch Novak hits contested 3's all the time.

My real point is that if teams play tight on Avery like they do Novak he will burn them. He has superior quickness and speed compared to all the sharpshooters mentioned. Right now they let Avery shoot 3's but once his shot improves he will be more effective by getting to the rim. Not to mention spacing the floor. Ray's biggest weakness at this stage of his career is that other than shooting he can't do much. The biggest thing is he needs the offense to focus on getting him open an it really distracts the offensive flow.

Ray is still a great player but he is becoming more limited and his weaknesses are becoming more easily exposed. That's why you bring him off the bench so you can limit the negatives in his game against lesser players. I laughed at your comments about how some of us just don't know the game. We're all talking about sports on an Internet forum so I doubt any of us are future GMs, yourself included.

[Jon]

You're missing the point.

This isn't just about who should start: it's if it comes down to Ray staying and starting or leaving, Ray staying and starting is better. 

  If it comes down to that, you have to let him leave.

Yup. Player signs a contract to play for a team in a role that best helps them to win. The coach determines that role, not a player. Can't let the tail wag the dog.

If Ray wants to sign with the C's, he has to accept whatever role is assigned to him. Period. End of story.

If that isn't good for him, sorry to say it, but Ray needs to go.

This is just silly.  The guy is a first ballot Hall of Famer and arguably the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA.  It's not insane for him to want to start. 

Even if you don't agree with that, it's one thing to think Bradley should start.  It's another to think that we're better off without Ray Allen. 

[rayallen1934]

and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players

some of you are just really do not know the game.

Bradley is 6'3.25". At least some of us are just really know the facts.

LOL yea maybe with shoes buddy, he aint 6'3, he' might be 6'2.5 with shoes

[kozlodoev]

Everyone says he's smaller than he is, as another poster said he is legitimately slightly over 6' 3".

There's no need to be guessing, he's listed at a quarter of an inch over 6'3, with shoes, in draftexpress.com's measurement section. The measurement is official, which means it was actually taken and published during the predraft process (rather than measured unofficially during a private workout, taken from a media guide, or guessed).

Of course, there are people who will never get the facts get in the way of a good argument, but those will never be convinced anyhow.

[rayallen1934]

lol at everyone thinking AB is going to be a starter in this league by cutting and shooting wide open corner threes that nobody cared about


This isnt little league, when hes a starter teams will figure it out , then AB has to show who he truly is


and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players




some of you are just really do not know the game.

  Are teams ever going to figure out that players like Novak, Mike Miller and James Jones like to shoot threes? Because they get open looks all the time.

Really, Novak did what in the playoffs, shoot 9 shots in 23 minutes a game? 5 games total? 9 shots? 4 for 9 , 2 threes in the last 3 minutes of a blowout game 1.

When you got Lebron James and Wade your going to get open looks no matter what...see Shane Battier? or did suck pierce on closing out on him?

Ray Allen is a different specimen on shooting, he doesnt have to be completely open to get off and make a 3,

Mike Miller or Novak cannot shoot a 3 unless they are open for 5 seconds with nobody around

Everyone says he's smaller than he is, as another poster said he is legitimately slightly over 6' 3".

To start I don't care what happened over a 5 game stretch Novak hits contested 3's all the time.

My real point is that if teams play tight on Avery like they do Novak he will burn them. He has superior quickness and speed compared to all the sharpshooters mentioned. Right now they let Avery shoot 3's but once his shot improves he will be more effective by getting to the rim. Not to mention spacing the floor. Ray's biggest weakness at this stage of his career is that other than shooting he can't do much. The biggest thing is he needs the offense to focus on getting him open an it really distracts the offensive flow.

Ray is still a great player but he is becoming more limited and his weaknesses are becoming more easily exposed. That's why you bring him off the bench so you can limit the negatives in his game against lesser players. I laughed at your comments about how some of us just don't know the game. We're all talking about sports on an Internet forum so I doubt any of us are future GMs, yourself included.

i don't want to sound like I'm infuriated but HE IS NOT 6'3, no way no how.

All you have to do is have eyes and look at him on the court, he is barely taller than Rondo


Bradley cannot be more than 6'1 , of course with shoes he will be listed at 6'2 , 6'2.5

but to put him at 6'3 is insane

[kozlodoev]

and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players

some of you are just really do not know the game.

Bradley is 6'3.25". At least some of us are just really know the facts.

LOL yea maybe with shoes buddy, he aint 6'3, he' might be 6'2.5 with shoes

Everyone in the NBA is measured with shoes, because they play with shoes.

Also, if you don't have the habit of being respectful to others, your presence around these forums will likely be quite short.

[rayallen1934]

Everyone says he's smaller than he is, as another poster said he is legitimately slightly over 6' 3".

There's no need to be guessing, he's listed at a quarter of an inch over 6'3, with shoes, in draftexpress.com's measurement section. The measurement is official, which means it was actually taken and published during the predraft process (rather than measured unofficially during a private workout, taken from a media guide, or guessed).

Of course, there are people who will never get the facts get in the way of a good argument, but those will never be convinced anyhow.

Heights are always exaggerated buddy, and he is listed a 6'3 with shows

6'2 without shoes, meaning he's not a legit 6'3 , so please GET YOUR FACTS straight

and the guy might not even be 6'2,  he looks like a 6'2.5 WITH SHOES

[rayallen1934]

and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players

some of you are just really do not know the game.

Bradley is 6'3.25". At least some of us are just really know the facts.

LOL yea maybe with shoes buddy, he aint 6'3, he' might be 6'2.5 with shoes

Everyone in the NBA is measured with shoes, because they play with shoes.

Also, if you don't have the habit of being respectful to others, your presence around these forums will likely be quite short.

hes undersized, thats my point, more so than a Dwayne Wade is supposedly a 6'3 without shoes


its simple to determine heights just by looking at players play on the court...

You can write off Bradley being anywhere near 6'4 and 6'3

he is a 6'2 SG in this league

[KGs Knee]

With Terry signing here, I'm beginning to think Ray will, in fact, start.

Maybe Bradley's shoulders are worse then the team is letting on.  It wouldn't be the 1st time the C's underplayed a player's injury.

I'm still just struggling to see how a 1-3 rotation of Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Allen, Green & Pierce will work.  Too many players worthy of 30+ minutes too fit them all in.  I'm guessing Green might have to play a lot at the 4 for it to work.

[kozlodoev]

and at 6'1.5 , its gonna be tough...right now his defense is carrying him along with 3 hall of fame players

some of you are just really do not know the game.

Bradley is 6'3.25". At least some of us are just really know the facts.

LOL yea maybe with shoes buddy, he aint 6'3, he' might be 6'2.5 with shoes

Everyone in the NBA is measured with shoes, because they play with shoes.

Also, if you don't have the habit of being respectful to others, your presence around these forums will likely be quite short.

hes undersized, thats my point, more so than a Dwayne Wade is supposedly a 6'3 without shoes


its simple to determine heights just by looking at players play on the court...

You can write off Bradley being anywhere near 6'4 and 6'3

he is a 6'2 SG in this league

You can look at players all you want. Bradley has been measured by an independent entity during the predraft process and listed at 6'3.

Teams and players may understate or overstate heights and weights as they wish in their media guides. That Avery Bradley is 6'3.25 in shoes (and 6'2 barefoot) is as certain as him having a 37 inch vertical, and 2 repetitions on the bench press.

It should probably also be pointed out that his wingspan/standing reach are comparable to Randy Foye and Monta Ellis. So yeah, he may be slightly undersized for the SG position, but he'll likely do just fine.

[kozlodoev]

With Terry signing here, I'm beginning to think Ray will, in fact, start.

Maybe Bradley's shoulders are worse then the team is letting on.  It wouldn't be the 1st time the C's underplayed a player's injury.

I'm still just struggling to see how a 1-3 rotation of Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Allen, Green & Pierce will work.  Too many players worthy of 30+ minutes too fit them all in.  I'm guessing Green might have to play a lot at the 4 for it to work.

I've seen some speculation that Bradley may be out until December (nothing official though, and kill me -- I don't remember where I read that, maybe weei.com).

If this is the case, I'm guessing Ray or Pietrus will start, depending on whom we manage to sign.

We will, however, have a serious issue in the beginning if we miss on both Allen and Pietrus (though my guess would be that Pietrus should be fairly easy to sign).