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Confused about our big man rotation already...
« on: June 29, 2012, 02:21:51 PM »

Offline fairweatherfan06

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OK so I'm assuming KG returns and we QO Steamer how will this work we have 4 power forwards if KG is not wanting to be a full time center

KG, Sean Williams (people keep forgetting him we need rebounders and he is one), Sullinger, JJJ, Melo.  Our starting center is....?


C:?/Melo/Steamer
PF:KG/JJJ/Sully/Williams

I'm already excluding Bass (I think Sully is his cheap replacement) Is SOMEBODY definitely getting traded or what?

JJJ or Melo being the most likely I think  Sullinger, Williams, Steamer are all low cost options

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 02:31:20 PM »

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i don't expect anything from the young players and you probably shouldn't either.  If KG comes back... he'll be starting.  Beyond that, who knows.  KG at center was key to our run this year.

Lets hope we make a run at trading for Josh Smith or something... play smith at PF and hopefully KG agrees to stay at C.

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 02:37:27 PM »

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Last year our big man rotation was:

Jermaine O'Neal / Chris Wilcox
Kevin Garnett / Jeff Green / Brandon Bass / Jajuan Johnson

Wouldn't worry about having too many of them to start the season.

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 02:40:19 PM »

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nothing to be confused about. Just start with the guys that are signed so far at PF/C

C- Melo
PF - JJJ, Sullinger

As we all know KG is our #1 priority to bring back. So you can add another PF to the list. Then one of Hollins or Stiemsma will be back (i think it will be hollins). Thus

C- Melo, Hollins
PF - KG, JJJ, Sullinger

and at times if you have to go small, or needed a more offensive lineup out on the court, then you can have

C- Sullinger and PF- Garnett.

Don't expect Bass back unless we know KG def won't be back, Chris Wilcox with excess bodies at pf won't be brought back even if healthy and Sean Williams was all about insurance and def won't be back.

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 02:40:42 PM »

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Last year our big man rotation was:

Jermaine O'Neal / Chris Wilcox
Kevin Garnett / Jeff Green / Brandon Bass / Jajuan Johnson

Wouldn't worry about having too many of them to start the season.

Agreed, its like having too many Starting Pitchers, things have a way of shaking out.
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Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 02:44:15 PM »

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Just have Sullinger guard the beefier guy and tell KG he's a 4. 
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Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 02:46:01 PM »

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I'm gonna guess our starting big men will be:

Kevin Garnett and Brandon Bass

Jeff Green is a natural SF... should probably be coming off the bench backing up Pierce.  But he played PF out of position in OKC (because of Durant) so MAYBE he gets the starting PF nod over Bass.

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 02:59:48 PM »

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nothing to be confused about. Just start with the guys that are signed so far at PF/C

C- Melo
PF - JJJ, Sullinger

As we all know KG is our #1 priority to bring back. So you can add another PF to the list. Then one of Hollins or Stiemsma will be back (i think it will be hollins). Thus

C- Melo, Hollins
PF - KG, JJJ, Sullinger

and at times if you have to go small, or needed a more offensive lineup out on the court, then you can have

C- Sullinger and PF- Garnett.

Don't expect Bass back unless we know KG def won't be back, Chris Wilcox with excess bodies at pf won't be brought back even if healthy and Sean Williams was all about insurance and def won't be back.

Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. a 6"9 center?? im not trolling you because this is not the 1st time i heard of him playing center but wow...kinda saddens me.

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 03:01:51 PM »

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nothing to be confused about. Just start with the guys that are signed so far at PF/C

C- Melo
PF - JJJ, Sullinger

As we all know KG is our #1 priority to bring back. So you can add another PF to the list. Then one of Hollins or Stiemsma will be back (i think it will be hollins). Thus

C- Melo, Hollins
PF - KG, JJJ, Sullinger

and at times if you have to go small, or needed a more offensive lineup out on the court, then you can have

C- Sullinger and PF- Garnett.

Don't expect Bass back unless we know KG def won't be back, Chris Wilcox with excess bodies at pf won't be brought back even if healthy and Sean Williams was all about insurance and def won't be back.

**** a 6"9 center?? im not trolling you because this is not the 1st time i heard of him playing center but wow...kinda saddens me.

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If you missed it, a 6'10" "Center" just won the title (Chris Bosh).  Traditional Centers are becoming a relic of the past IMO.  That's why when people say Anthony Davis is a PF I shake my head, dude will play C and be good there.


Also, if you didn't know, Dwight Howard is 6'10".
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Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 03:03:06 PM »

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i don't expect anything from the young players and you probably shouldn't either.  If KG comes back... he'll be starting.  Beyond that, who knows.  KG at center was key to our run this year.

Lets hope we make a run at trading for Josh Smith or something... play smith at PF and hopefully KG agrees to stay at C.

You've got to get to 96. If KG comes back, he's going to play, say, 30. If Bass or a similar vet comes back, there's another 32 or so. That takes us down to 34 left. Let's say Green splits half behind Pierce and half at the 4, that takes us to 18 or so. Keep in mind I've pretty much only been counting 4s, so in this case KG would have to be primarily the center and Bass and Green would fill up the 48 at power forward. That still leaves 18 minutes at the center position, and means that KG has to play all of his minutes there. I'm cool with that, I don't know if he is. Anyways, let's say Steamer comes back as our 6th and final big (not counting Green as a "big") and plays those 18.

That's all fine and dandy, but it means that A) Nobody is getting hurt, all year. B) Steamer is capable of 18 quality minutes every night. C) Nobody is getting into foul trouble.

My point is that we are forced to expect a lot out of Johnson, Melo and Sullinger even though they are young, because Doc is going to HAVE to play these guys a decent amount this season. There's just no way around it when they account for three of the six or so bigs on the team. That's a huge percentage.
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Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 03:06:09 PM »

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i don't expect anything from the young players and you probably shouldn't either.  If KG comes back... he'll be starting.  Beyond that, who knows.  KG at center was key to our run this year.

Lets hope we make a run at trading for Josh Smith or something... play smith at PF and hopefully KG agrees to stay at C.

You've got to get to 96. If KG comes back, he's going to play, say, 30. If Bass or a similar vet comes back, there's another 32 or so. That takes us down to 34 left. Let's say Green splits half behind Pierce and half at the 4, that takes us to 18 or so. Keep in mind I've pretty much only been counting 4s, so in this case KG would have to be primarily the center and Bass and Green would fill up the 48 at power forward. That still leaves 18 minutes at the center position, and means that KG has to play all of his minutes there. I'm cool with that, I don't know if he is. Anyways, let's say Steamer comes back as our 6th and final big (not counting Green as a "big") and plays those 18.

That's all fine and dandy, but it means that A) Nobody is getting hurt, all year. B) Steamer is capable of 18 quality minutes every night. C) Nobody is getting into foul trouble.

My point is that we are forced to expect a lot out of Johnson, Melo and Sullinger even though they are young, because Doc is going to HAVE to play these guys a decent amount this season. There's just no way around it when they account for three of the six or so bigs on the team. That's a huge percentage.
eh... maybe ... or maybe we sign a couple cheap vet big men to fill in.  I expect nothing from the young players this year.

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 03:07:49 PM »

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i don't expect anything from the young players and you probably shouldn't either.  If KG comes back... he'll be starting.  Beyond that, who knows.  KG at center was key to our run this year.

Lets hope we make a run at trading for Josh Smith or something... play smith at PF and hopefully KG agrees to stay at C.

You've got to get to 96. If KG comes back, he's going to play, say, 30. If Bass or a similar vet comes back, there's another 32 or so. That takes us down to 34 left. Let's say Green splits half behind Pierce and half at the 4, that takes us to 18 or so. Keep in mind I've pretty much only been counting 4s, so in this case KG would have to be primarily the center and Bass and Green would fill up the 48 at power forward. That still leaves 18 minutes at the center position, and means that KG has to play all of his minutes there. I'm cool with that, I don't know if he is. Anyways, let's say Steamer comes back as our 6th and final big (not counting Green as a "big") and plays those 18.

That's all fine and dandy, but it means that A) Nobody is getting hurt, all year. B) Steamer is capable of 18 quality minutes every night. C) Nobody is getting into foul trouble.

My point is that we are forced to expect a lot out of Johnson, Melo and Sullinger even though they are young, because Doc is going to HAVE to play these guys a decent amount this season. There's just no way around it when they account for three of the six or so bigs on the team. That's a huge percentage.
eh... maybe ... or maybe we sign a couple cheap vet big men to fill in.  I expect nothing from the young players this year.

Yeah but if you sign a couple cheap vet big men, then you're left with like 7-8 bigs on your roster and an extreme lack of depth anywhere else on the team. That means Rondo, Bradley, Moore, Pierce, Green brings you up to 12-13, and you get two more guys to sign as a backup 1, backup 2 and insurance wing. I don't know if I'd be comfortable with that.
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Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 03:10:24 PM »

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i don't expect anything from the young players and you probably shouldn't either.  If KG comes back... he'll be starting.  Beyond that, who knows.  KG at center was key to our run this year.

Lets hope we make a run at trading for Josh Smith or something... play smith at PF and hopefully KG agrees to stay at C.

You've got to get to 96. If KG comes back, he's going to play, say, 30. If Bass or a similar vet comes back, there's another 32 or so. That takes us down to 34 left. Let's say Green splits half behind Pierce and half at the 4, that takes us to 18 or so. Keep in mind I've pretty much only been counting 4s, so in this case KG would have to be primarily the center and Bass and Green would fill up the 48 at power forward. That still leaves 18 minutes at the center position, and means that KG has to play all of his minutes there. I'm cool with that, I don't know if he is. Anyways, let's say Steamer comes back as our 6th and final big (not counting Green as a "big") and plays those 18.

That's all fine and dandy, but it means that A) Nobody is getting hurt, all year. B) Steamer is capable of 18 quality minutes every night. C) Nobody is getting into foul trouble.

My point is that we are forced to expect a lot out of Johnson, Melo and Sullinger even though they are young, because Doc is going to HAVE to play these guys a decent amount this season. There's just no way around it when they account for three of the six or so bigs on the team. That's a huge percentage.

How many years can 3J, who was drafted as a 4-year college player, be expected not to play?  Sullinger is the youngest, but also probably the most ready to log real minutes.  I'd put the three of them together with Stiemer at the back of the big man rotation, then start KG with a FA/unnamed established center alongside him.  I don't see d-league helping Sullinger, though I suppose there's risk Melo or 3J could log some time there.

Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 03:14:37 PM »

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nothing to be confused about. Just start with the guys that are signed so far at PF/C

C- Melo
PF - JJJ, Sullinger

As we all know KG is our #1 priority to bring back. So you can add another PF to the list. Then one of Hollins or Stiemsma will be back (i think it will be hollins). Thus

C- Melo, Hollins
PF - KG, JJJ, Sullinger

and at times if you have to go small, or needed a more offensive lineup out on the court, then you can have

C- Sullinger and PF- Garnett.

Don't expect Bass back unless we know KG def won't be back, Chris Wilcox with excess bodies at pf won't be brought back even if healthy and Sean Williams was all about insurance and def won't be back.

**** a 6"9 center?? im not trolling you because this is not the 1st time i heard of him playing center but wow...kinda saddens me.

Worked with BBD.

If you missed it, a 6'10" "Center" just won the title (Chris Bosh).  Traditional Centers are becoming a relic of the past IMO.  That's why when people say Anthony Davis is a PF I shake my head, dude will play C and be good there.


Also, if you didn't know, Dwight Howard is 6'10".

Difference is Dwight can jump out the building and he is a machine. Sullinger has no hops also bosh is 6'11 and i honestly believe dwight is a 7 footer idc what anyone say lol
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Re: Confused about our big man rotation already...
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 03:18:17 PM »

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I don't know why so many people get worked up about KG wanting to play PF instead of C.

It's a preference. Not an absolute.

Garnett will do what is in the best interests of the team and if that means playing center, so be it.