Draftexpress Draft Profiles Breakdown: In depth

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB767D5FCB08E26C0&feature=plcp

Ok , not that these guys know everything, but these reviews provide ultra in depth strengths and weaknesses of most of the top 1st round prospects.

Everyone loves Moultrie and think he won't last until 21-22? Watch his review and weaknessess part of the video and see if you really want him now.

Sullinger as we all know is not very athletic/Quick. And his video's weaknesses section not only portrays this (getting blocked numerous times) but also how it will affect his defense (getting blown by , late to help defend, late on the rotation). Just imagine him trying to these things constantly on a Doc Rivers system. It maybe unbearable to watch

Everyone has weaknesses and these reviews are great at exposing them, but the worse kinds are the players who have bad character, don't care attitude, don't help out,  don't play hard, get upset if they don't get passes (moultrie), throw teammates under the bus. Some have to do with immaturity but others maybe nothing to do with that

Watching some of these DX in depth profiles, especially the ones that will be around the range where celts will pick, i'm very intrigued by:

Perry Jones III: His raw capabilities/tools + height , would easily make him the #1 pick. The dribbling, shooting, passing, quickness, length are mouth dropping. Nothing like i have seen probably since lebron before the nba. But his lack of confidence and consistency is very tragic to see at times in these clips. Its like a #1 pick + Ray Allen of game 1 and 2 of the ECF. IF P Jones is available , if i were danny, i would think long and hard to draft him. If the celts org can be patient and help build his confidence, strength and as a bonus a killer instinct , would be the #1 steal of the draft.

Moe Harkless: The way he battles down low + good attitude + good work ethic + crafty passing + mid range scoring capabilities  + athleticism and speed + 6'8 and best still very young make him a potential stud future nba SF. His weaknesses revolved around getting bullied down low (remedied by strengthing up) plus lack of consistency in shooting are things with time and practice that can be shored up. If available, i would definitely choose him with one of our picks. 

Jeff Taylor: Great defense + aggressive in attacking the basket + good at finishing, especially at transition + solid three point shooter. But this is where the good stops. When he tries to dribble too much he gets "stuck" in the key area, or gets blocked. He has decent handles but his short wingspan do hurt him in having the ability to dribble less + get far. Prob won't be a great rebounder either. Like a more athletic Shane Battier. I would still be satisfied with picking him. At most drafts he would be a perfect 20's pick. At this years draft, maybe you go for more potential and risk.

Royce White: After watching his DX clip, ok , i'm flat out impressed. He is like a lebron + mason hybrid player. Dribbling is lebron good, passing is better than Lebron, rebounding is like mason, posts and finishes like Mason, unfortunately for now also plays defense like Mason (not very quick), and shoots like lebron when he isn't at his best.  But even with these weaknesses, he would still be a dangerous player in the league. The way he carries himself on the court, dribbles, takes care of the ball , passes, rebounds are all qualities of a nba superstar.  The rumor is wrong that there is a promise that the celts draft him at 21. You can't promise nobody that late. Even David Alridge confirmed he turned down a workout for us. I think one or two of Houston, Dallas, philly (with iguadala rumors) and minny (hometown) will lock him up if avail. I'm enormed with his capabilities (esp passing skills when rondo is sitting) + he would help with our rebounding quite a bit that,  if i were danny , i might trade both of our picks , so that we could lock him up.

There is no review of Nicholson , but he has similar swagger to his game that white has. And he can back it up. Plus i haven't heard anything alarming about his character. Weaknesses just has to strengthen up and also be willing to pass a little more.

My ranking

Looks like we will have to trade up

1. White

Not worth trading up. Just wait to fall onto our laps

2. Nicholson
3. Harkless
4. Perry
5. Taylor

Stay away in no particular order

Moultrie
T Jones

[mqtcelticsfan]

I don't care how well White passes the ball. He most certainly isn't better than LeBron at doing so.

[ianboyextreme]

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB767D5FCB08E26C0&feature=plcp

Ok , not that these guys know everything, but these reviews provide ultra in depth strengths and weaknesses of most of the top 1st round prospects.

Everyone loves Moultrie and think he won't last until 21-22? Watch his review and weaknessess part of the video and see if you really want him now.

Sullinger as we all know is not very athletic/Quick. And his video's weaknesses section not only portrays this (getting blocked numerous times) but also how it will affect his defense (getting blown by , late to help defend, late on the rotation). Just imagine him trying to these things constantly on a Doc Rivers system. It maybe unbearable to watch

Everyone has weaknesses and these reviews are great at exposing them, but the worse kinds are the players who have bad character, don't care attitude, don't help out,  don't play hard, get upset if they don't get passes (moultrie), throw teammates under the bus. Some have to do with immaturity but others maybe nothing to do with that

Watching some of these DX in depth profiles, especially the ones that will be around the range where celts will pick, i'm very intrigued by:

Perry Jones III: His raw capabilities/tools + height , would easily make him the #1 pick. The dribbling, shooting, passing, quickness, length are mouth dropping. Nothing like i have seen probably since lebron before the nba. But his lack of confidence and consistency is very tragic to see at times in these clips. Its like a #1 pick + Ray Allen of game 1 and 2 of the ECF. IF P Jones is available , if i were danny, i would think long and hard to draft him. If the celts org can be patient and help build his confidence, strength and as a bonus a killer instinct , would be the #1 steal of the draft.

Moe Harkless: The way he battles down low + good attitude + good work ethic + crafty passing + mid range scoring capabilities  + athleticism and speed + 6'8 and best still very young make him a potential stud future nba SF. His weaknesses revolved around getting bullied down low (remedied by strengthing up) plus lack of consistency in shooting are things with time and practice that can be shored up. If available, i would definitely choose him with one of our picks. 

Jeff Taylor: Great defense + aggressive in attacking the basket + good at finishing, especially at transition + solid three point shooter. But this is where the good stops. When he tries to dribble too much he gets "stuck" in the key area, or gets blocked. He has decent handles but his short wingspan do hurt him in having the ability to dribble less + get far. Prob won't be a great rebounder either. Like a more athletic Shane Battier. I would still be satisfied with picking him. At most drafts he would be a perfect 20's pick. At this years draft, maybe you go for more potential and risk.

Royce White: After watching his DX clip, ok , i'm flat out impressed. He is like a lebron + mason hybrid player. Dribbling is lebron good, passing is better than Lebron, rebounding is like mason, posts and finishes like Mason, unfortunately for now also plays defense like Mason (not very quick), and shoots like lebron when he isn't at his best.  But even with these weaknesses, he would still be a dangerous player in the league. The way he carries himself on the court, dribbles, takes care of the ball , passes, rebounds are all qualities of a nba superstar.  The rumor is wrong that there is a promise that the celts draft him at 21. You can't promise nobody that late. Even David Alridge confirmed he turned down a workout for us. I think one or two of Houston, Dallas, philly (with iguadala rumors) and minny (hometown) will lock him up if avail. I'm enormed with his capabilities (esp passing skills when rondo is sitting) + he would help with our rebounding quite a bit that,  if i were danny , i might trade both of our picks , so that we could lock him up.

There is no review of Nicholson , but he has similar swagger to his game that white has. And he can back it up. Plus i haven't heard anything alarming about his character. Weaknesses just has to strengthen up and also be willing to pass a little more.

My ranking

Looks like we will have to trade up

1. White

Not worth trading up. Just wait to fall onto our laps

2. Nicholson
3. Harkless
4. Perry
5. Taylor

Stay away in no particular order

Moultrie
T Jones

Did you watch Moultrie on defense? One of the least aware defenders in the draft.

[Tr1boy]

I don't care how well White passes the ball. He most certainly isn't better than LeBron at doing so.

He is better differently. Lebron is good at drawing people towards him while penetrating and then passing the ball for open looks.

White like rondo can make difficult passes without even having to draw people to him. Good passing from the post. Passing while in motion. But unlike lebron can't be hanging in the air and then passing it to the open guy. I mean there are only a few that can do this. I wouldn't call this great passing skills more than, he is willing to pass to the open man if there is a better option to score

Kobe can also pass like lebron. Difference is willing to pass if he has a very low chance to score it in himself.

White is said to be unselfish to a fault at times. If he is on court with Rondo, he could concentrate more in scoring. But when Rondo sits, you have a unique adv where your sf can play pg and cause problems for opposing teams offensive sets. (this is all in theory if Rondo, White and celts system can co exist)

[droopdog7]

I don't care how well White passes the ball. He most certainly isn't better than LeBron at doing so.

He is better differently. Lebron is good at drawing people towards him while penetrating and then passing the ball for open looks.

White like rondo can make difficult passes without even having to draw people to him. Good passing from the post. Passing while in motion. But unlike lebron can't be hanging in the air and then passing it to the open guy. I mean there are only a few that can do this. I wouldn't call this great passing skills more than, he is willing to pass to the open man if there is a better option to score

Kobe can also pass like lebron. Difference is willing to pass if he has a very low chance to score it in himself.

White is said to be unselfish to a fault at times. If he is on court with Rondo, he could concentrate more in scoring. But when Rondo sits, you have a unique adv where your sf can play pg and cause problems for opposing teams offensive sets. (this is all in theory if Rondo, White and celts system can co exist)

Um, no.  You need to stop while you are not too far behind.  Lebron is an all time passer.  I'd argue that passing, not raw athleticism, is his greatest strength.

[Tr1boy]

I don't care how well White passes the ball. He most certainly isn't better than LeBron at doing so.

He is better differently. Lebron is good at drawing people towards him while penetrating and then passing the ball for open looks.

White like rondo can make difficult passes without even having to draw people to him. Good passing from the post. Passing while in motion. But unlike lebron can't be hanging in the air and then passing it to the open guy. I mean there are only a few that can do this. I wouldn't call this great passing skills more than, he is willing to pass to the open man if there is a better option to score

Kobe can also pass like lebron. Difference is willing to pass if he has a very low chance to score it in himself.

White is said to be unselfish to a fault at times. If he is on court with Rondo, he could concentrate more in scoring. But when Rondo sits, you have a unique adv where your sf can play pg and cause problems for opposing teams offensive sets. (this is all in theory if Rondo, White and celts system can co exist)

Um, no.  You need to stop while you are not too far behind.  Lebron is an all time passer.  I'd argue that passing, not raw athleticism, is his greatest strength.

have you seen wicked bounce passes or laser passes or touch passes from lebron? He is usually eyeing his defender on top of the key. Its when he is penetrating and dragging two people on him , where he can easily spot the open man.

No doubt he is a very good passer. But players like White and Rondo survey the floor and pass differently than James does. They are imo considered better. When james loses his ability to penetrate , hang in the air, draw double teams, he won't be as effective passer.

[chambers]

Your evaluations are pretty good on offense, although I'd disagree that White is a better passer than Lebron.
I get what you're trying to say, and perhaps you mean at the same 'pre draft' development level as Lebron, but Lebron is arguably the best passing small forward in basketball history- there is no comparison to White at this stage.

Anyway, the only criticism I have of your post is the defensive evaluation. You talk about Sullenger's defensive problems because of his speed/lack of athleticism but Whites biggest weakness is probably his defense (and his terrible jump shooting+free throws).
Watch White on defense- he completely loses his man over and over and lets them creep baseline. He has a habit of standing and watching and not boxing out- although he does go after the ball well if it's within his direct reach.

I would gamble on Jones and Harklesss personally, and I do like White as a project, but his shooting is just terrible. I guess like Lebron he'd have to rely on getting into the paint and to the free throw line. So he'd have to improve both become a complete offensive player.

[Tr1boy]

Your evaluations are pretty good on offense, although I'd disagree that White is a better passer than Lebron.
I get what you're trying to say, and perhaps you mean at the same 'pre draft' development level as Lebron, but Lebron is arguably the best passing small forward in basketball history- there is no comparison to White at this stage.

Anyway, the only criticism I have of your post is the defensive evaluation. You talk about Sullenger's defensive problems because of his speed/lack of athleticism but Whites biggest weakness is probably his defense (and his terrible jump shooting+free throws).
Watch White on defense- he completely loses his man over and over and lets them creep baseline. He has a habit of standing and watching and not boxing out- although he does go after the ball well if it's within his direct reach.

I would gamble on Jones and Harklesss personally, and I do like White as a project, but his shooting is just terrible. I guess like Lebron he'd have to rely on getting into the paint and to the free throw line. So he'd have to improve both become a complete offensive player.

Well its your opinion, i respect that. But its not even about pre draft passing skills i was talking about.

Anyways, relating to white and on D. Your right. As we saw from the video he was late like Sullinger also. WIll have some problems staying in front of quicker players. But as his condition improves, plus plays for a better D system, he should improve. At least be adequate. The one part where he was focused on his man under the basket, instead of being aware of where the ball is, could be fixed with practice. But for Sullinger, i don't see this kind of hope. Has a thick lower body and feet is heavy plus lack of ideal height.

[droopdog7]

I don't care how well White passes the ball. He most certainly isn't better than LeBron at doing so.

He is better differently. Lebron is good at drawing people towards him while penetrating and then passing the ball for open looks.

White like rondo can make difficult passes without even having to draw people to him. Good passing from the post. Passing while in motion. But unlike lebron can't be hanging in the air and then passing it to the open guy. I mean there are only a few that can do this. I wouldn't call this great passing skills more than, he is willing to pass to the open man if there is a better option to score

Kobe can also pass like lebron. Difference is willing to pass if he has a very low chance to score it in himself.

White is said to be unselfish to a fault at times. If he is on court with Rondo, he could concentrate more in scoring. But when Rondo sits, you have a unique adv where your sf can play pg and cause problems for opposing teams offensive sets. (this is all in theory if Rondo, White and celts system can co exist)

Um, no.  You need to stop while you are not too far behind.  Lebron is an all time passer.  I'd argue that passing, not raw athleticism, is his greatest strength.

have you seen wicked bounce passes or laser passes or touch passes from lebron? He is usually eyeing his defender on top of the key. Its when he is penetrating and dragging two people on him , where he can easily spot the open man.

No doubt he is a very good passer. But players like White and Rondo survey the floor and pass differently than James does. They are imo considered better. When james loses his ability to penetrate , hang in the air, draw double teams, he won't be as effective passer.

Again, no.  You are comparing and all time great passer, a guy who will go down as one of the greatest passers of all time regardless of position, to a guy that may wash out of the league in four years. 

And forget about fancy passes and stuff like that.  White chocolate was a fancy passer.  That means garbage.  The thing about lebron is that he almost always makes the right basketball play.  He sees the floor like no else in the NBA and is arguably the best passer in the game RIGHT NOW.

[aporel#18]

Your evaluations are pretty good on offense, although I'd disagree that White is a better passer than Lebron.
I get what you're trying to say, and perhaps you mean at the same 'pre draft' development level as Lebron, but Lebron is arguably the best passing small forward in basketball history- there is no comparison to White at this stage.

Larry Bird was (and maybe still is) a way better passer than LeBron.

LeBron is an effective passer, a beast, and the MVP. But he's not in Larry Legend's conversation.