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Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2012, 08:11:38 PM »

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I think KG only comes back if PP stays. He will likely seek assurances to that effect. C's don't need both picks so Danny may package one. The Vets did the job this season. Add back Wilcox and Green a strong pick and a free agent and you have banner 18.


Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2012, 09:00:30 PM »

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I think Wade and Bron both acknowledge that Boston was a tough team to beat.  Last year when they beat us in 5 games, I specifically remember seeing LeBron weeping tears of joy.  Like Jordan with the Pistons, LeBron needed to get over the Boston hump before he could reach glory.  It's his league now.  He earned his place in history.  God save us all.  We might be on the verge of 10 straight Miami/Thunder Finals.  

What teams conceivably are built to contend with them heading forward?  Maybe if Blake/CP3 get a 3rd star.  Maybe if Deron/Dwight team up in Brooklyn.  It's looking rough.  I guess anything can happen, but I think we most definitely just entered the Durant/LeBron era of NBA basketball.  Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett are rolling over in their graves.    

Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2012, 09:06:47 PM »

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I think Wade and Bron both acknowledge that Boston was a tough team to beat.  Last year when they beat us in 5 games, I specifically remember seeing LeBron weeping tears of joy.  Like Jordan with the Pistons, LeBron needed to get over the Boston hump before he could reach glory.  It's his league now.  He earned his place in history.  God save us all.  We might be on the verge of 10 straight Miami/Thunder Finals.  

What teams conceivably are built to contend with them heading forward?  Maybe if Blake/CP3 get a 3rd star.  Maybe if Deron/Dwight team up in Brooklyn.  It's looking rough.  I guess anything can happen, but I think we most definitely just entered the Durant/LeBron era of NBA basketball.  Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett are rolling over in their graves.    
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Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2012, 09:35:53 PM »

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I think Wade and Bron both acknowledge that Boston was a tough team to beat.  Last year when they beat us in 5 games, I specifically remember seeing LeBron weeping tears of joy.  Like Jordan with the Pistons, LeBron needed to get over the Boston hump before he could reach glory.  It's his league now.  He earned his place in history.  God save us all.  We might be on the verge of 10 straight Miami/Thunder Finals.  

What teams conceivably are built to contend with them heading forward?  Maybe if Blake/CP3 get a 3rd star.  Maybe if Deron/Dwight team up in Brooklyn.  It's looking rough.  I guess anything can happen, but I think we most definitely just entered the Durant/LeBron era of NBA basketball.  Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett are rolling over in their graves.    

I hate the cHeat as much as anybody, but I'm not (nor should anyone else be) ready to concede anything to them or the Thunder.

Both teams are one ACL/PCL/MCL away from being out of contention. Just ask DRose and the Bulls or us in '09/'10/'11 or 12 or the DH-less Magic this year. One injury is all it takes.

EVERYTHING went right for the cHeat this year. Every thing... DRose....our injuries....Knicks injuries...Bosh coming back at JUST the right time and meeting a highly unseasoned Thunder team rather than the Spurs.

I understand that every champion  (it sickens me to say that word in relation to LeBroid/Wade and the cHeat) needs some luck to become a champion in any sport, but EVERYTHING fell their way.

Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2012, 10:14:25 PM »

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I think Wade and Bron both acknowledge that Boston was a tough team to beat.  Last year when they beat us in 5 games, I specifically remember seeing LeBron weeping tears of joy.  Like Jordan with the Pistons, LeBron needed to get over the Boston hump before he could reach glory.  It's his league now.  He earned his place in history.  God save us all.  We might be on the verge of 10 straight Miami/Thunder Finals

What teams conceivably are built to contend with them heading forward?  Maybe if Blake/CP3 get a 3rd star.  Maybe if Deron/Dwight team up in Brooklyn.  It's looking rough.  I guess anything can happen, but I think we most definitely just entered the Durant/LeBron era of NBA basketball.  Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett are rolling over in their graves.   
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I don't think it's hilarious.  It's a bit upsetting.  I think Bron finally figured it out and his sidekicks fell into place.  I think SImmons really summed it up in his article:  http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8085525/lebron-makes-leap

Everything came together for him... and when he finally decided, "I'm going out on my own terms", he ate the first born child of every Boston citizen... then ripped out the hearts of the Thunder... and took a dump in their empty chests.

Alright, I'm exaggerating there.  But he no doubt he thoroughly owned OKC and Game 6 against the Celtics in Boston was ridiculous.

But legitimately I agree he took it to another level.  When he started posting up, it was over.  The guy is a phenom.  Durant, Westbrook and Harden are all 23 and under... Durant's a phenom in his own right.  Sure, injuries could derail them... that's always a possibility.  But if not... Durant has a good 12-15 years ahead of him, right?  And is anyone going to be shocked to see LeBeast playing until he's 40?  The dude is built like Karl Malone.  He's a physical freak.. if he adapts with age... he'll be playing at a high level for a very very long time.   

Also the old guard is dying off.  Duncan, KG, Kobe (along with Shaq) use to own this league.  The torch seems to have been passed.  I guess it's plausible that Rose might sneak in for a title ... again, maybe Blake continues to improve and he and CP3 get some help.  Maybe Dwight builds a contender of his own.  Maybe Anthony Davis goes Tim Duncan on everyone.  Maybe there is a relevant player who has yet to enter the league.  But I have the same ominous feeling that Bill Simmons has... Durant/LeBron is the next Magic/Bird.  This is their league now... we're all just playing in it. 

There was a 9 year period from 1980 to 1988 that either the Lakers or Celtics won all but 1 championship.  Philly snuck in a title in 1983.  They also played in the finals in 1980 and 1982.  That's a team that had Moses and Dr J.   We're talking about two of the top 20 players of all time.   Likewise, the Sampson/Akeem twin tower Rockets snuck into the finals against Boston in 1981 and 1986.  Once again, we're talking about a top 10 player of all time playing alongside a 7-4 allstar big man in his prime.  But all things considered... that era belonged to Magic and Bird. 

Bird and Magic both had their careers cut short for reasons that probably wouldn't happen in today's game with today's medical advancements, sports training and of course overall awareness of HIV (Magic left at age 31.  Bird played until he was 35, but was more or less broken past age 31).  Kevin Durant is 23.  LeBron is 27.  Who do you see as comparable to the 80s Rockets in this scenario?  Where is the Hakeem?  Who is comparable to the 76ers?  Where is the Moses/Doctor J?  I mean... MAYBE Chicago.  MAYBE the Clippers.  Dirk, Duncan, Kobe and KG just proved that they could still play at a high level into their mid 30s.  If that's the case for LeBron and Durant... strap in for a pretty monotonous decade.  Michael Jordan won his final title at age 36.  Winter is coming.
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Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2012, 10:24:53 AM »

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I think Wade and Bron both acknowledge that Boston was a tough team to beat.  Last year when they beat us in 5 games, I specifically remember seeing LeBron weeping tears of joy.  Like Jordan with the Pistons, LeBron needed to get over the Boston hump before he could reach glory.  It's his league now.  He earned his place in history.  God save us all.  We might be on the verge of 10 straight Miami/Thunder Finals.  

What teams conceivably are built to contend with them heading forward?  Maybe if Blake/CP3 get a 3rd star.  Maybe if Deron/Dwight team up in Brooklyn.  It's looking rough.  I guess anything can happen, but I think we most definitely just entered the Durant/LeBron era of NBA basketball.  Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett are rolling over in their graves.    
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It's going to be hard to argue with him I think.
Who else can realistically threaten the Heat? Maybe Chicago if they get Gasol, but with Boozer and Noah they are probably widening the gap as Miami upgrades its roster. They won a ring and Lebron spat dominance in every form- guys are gonna be lining up to win a ring with them. They helped Juwan Howard get a ring for gods sake.

Maybe Memphis has 3-4 good years left if Zeebo's knee come good and Gasol/Rudy Gay take it up a notch, perhaps Brooklyn. Maybe us if we somehow get a big free agent signing or something.

The only thing that the Heat must worry about are:
*Wade deteriorating more rapidly.
*their three point shooting not being as spot on as it was this playoffs- I mean they were on another planet with Battier, Chalmers and Miller.


OKC will get better and tougher defensively.

Who are the real threats to Miami now? Rose won't be back next year. I think Larbrd33 is exaggerating slightly, meaning there may be a few imposters creeping in every few years but it's looking like a Heat/Thunder rivalry to match the Lakers/Celtics for at least the next 7-8 years, even if Wade goes down- They have Lebron, and he's all they need steering the ship. Wade was an above average role player in the playoffs for the most part- they could replace him with Rudy Gay or Iguadala.
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Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2012, 12:35:50 PM »

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wow, I am surprised he didn't thank the refs......
he'd never acknowledge that but he should have thanked Bosh for coming back and playing like the second best player on that team

I don't think Bosh was the difference maker in that series. Sure Bosh, adds another scoring punch. Give credit to Miami, as a team and unit. They stepped up in games 6 and 7 during the late quarters. But the Finals was different story. Miami clearly out played the Thunder on many levels. The Thunder simply showed their age.


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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2012, 12:54:24 PM »

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I wouldnt be so fast to corronate Miami for the next few years...or OKC for that matter...stars move, injuries happen....Miami met alot of luck to win the championship this year...OKC wasnt ready for the big stage. Miami is lucky they didnt meet the Spurs.

their money is tied up in their big 3...with Wade on the decline and only 3mill + vet min to offer to teams going forward.

as for OKC...right now they are stacked...but what happens when they have to resign their big 3 and all their roleplayers?? some are going to have to leave

will they be in the mix every year? of course...but that doesnt mean they'll be in the finals every year or win it...just ask Dallas, Boston, spurs, lakers who all have contended yet not made the finals every year.

 

Re: Wade on the series with the Cs
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2012, 12:57:23 PM »

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A quote from Wade below, if you missed it.  Says it all to me....out guys know how to play playoff basketball.  No Bradley, JO, Green, and Wilcox, and we gave the World Champs more than any other team.....hats off again to the lads, great year.



"The Celtics series, man, that was the most challenging series that I've ever played in — and I've played against the Detroit Pistons," Wade said. "It was the very thing we dealt with last year. We had to deal with being again under the microscope against the Boston Celtics, and they got us ready. Our backs were against the wall many times. But I knew, when we went into Boston and won Game 6, at that point right there I knew we could be world champions."

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Heat-took-the-tougher-road-to-this-title-3655891.php

It's not like Wade, isn't speaking the truth. Does anyone really think this year's Finals was better than last year's? The hype machine at ESPN will try to tell u different, but real basketball fans with knowledge know that last year's Finals match-up Mavs/Heat was much more competitive.

I thought the Celtics/Heat series was more competitive and entertainment. That series was more of a chest match between two teams that dislike each other, but has respect for each others game. The Celtics/Heat series piled up record breaking ratings, because it was loaded with superstars and each game was competitive 1-7. 

Though the Celtics were the underdog they nearly pulled off the upset at least in the media eyes. A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team, lead the series 3-2. But OKC only won one game in the Finals. Not a good look on the Thunder's part.

 

 

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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2012, 01:08:09 PM »

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Though the Celtics were the underdog they nearly pulled off the upset at least in the media eyes. A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team, lead the series 3-2. But OKC only won one game in the Finals. Not a good look on the Thunder's part.


A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team? The Heat were missing one of their best players for the majority of the series and the Celtics still couldn't win. It's great the C's took the Heat to 7, but I'm fairly certain that with a healthy Bosh we would've seen a similar series to last year.


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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2012, 01:08:35 PM »

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I wouldnt be so fast to corronate Miami for the next few years...or OKC for that matter...stars move, injuries happen....Miami met alot of luck to win the championship this year...OKC wasnt ready for the big stage. Miami is lucky they didnt meet the Spurs.

their money is tied up in their big 3...with Wade on the decline and only 3mill + vet min to offer to teams going forward.

as for OKC...right now they are stacked...but what happens when they have to resign their big 3 and all their roleplayers?? some are going to have to leave

will they be in the mix every year? of course...but that doesnt mean they'll be in the finals every year or win it...just ask Dallas, Boston, spurs, lakers who all have contended yet not made the finals every year.

 


I think Miami will be in a tough spot the next few seasons. People need to remember, Bosh, Wade and James are not so young. James and Bosh are in their late twenties with lots of mileage on their bodies. Wade is now in his 30's and is becoming less athletic. Could Wade, be trade bait for the 2014 season if Miami doesn't win next season or beyond?

Miami's core 3, contracts are so big they'll only be able to sign players at the vet minimum. Pat Riley, will have to do what Danny Ainge did during the Celts Big 3 era, and that is find quality players for the vet minimum. Good luck with that! :D




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« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2012, 01:19:21 PM »

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Though the Celtics were the underdog they nearly pulled off the upset at least in the media eyes. A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team, lead the series 3-2. But OKC only won one game in the Finals. Not a good look on the Thunder's part.


A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team? The Heat were missing one of their best players for the majority of the series and the Celtics still couldn't win. It's great the C's took the Heat to 7, but I'm fairly certain that with a healthy Bosh we would've seen a similar series to last year.



you mean the series where rondo had 1 arm?

the heat were missing Bosh...but the C's had Pierce with a sprained MCl, Ray with bone spurs in his ankles,Pietrus with a bum leg, wilcox/Green out with heart issues. JO out...our only backup big Steimsma with foot problems, Bradley out with shoulder injuries...

you give me a healthy pierce/Ray and even ONE of bradley,green,wilcox.....I think thats >>> healthy bosh

not sure how you can say we werent banged up...

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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2012, 01:54:08 PM »

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Though the Celtics were the underdog they nearly pulled off the upset at least in the media eyes. A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team, lead the series 3-2. But OKC only won one game in the Finals. Not a good look on the Thunder's part.


A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team? The Heat were missing one of their best players for the majority of the series and the Celtics still couldn't win. It's great the C's took the Heat to 7, but I'm fairly certain that with a healthy Bosh we would've seen a similar series to last year.



It's great the C's took the Heat to 7, but I'm fairly certain that with a healthy Bosh we would've seen a similar series to last year?

I think it's a cop-out to suggest that one player can be the difference maker in a series, especially when the two best players in the league are the same team. I think your statement takes credit away from the Celts and gives credit to Bosh, not so much the Heat. I'm not surprise u would make such as statement especially when some Celtics fans tend not to give credit to their own.


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I'm fairly certain that with a healthy Bosh we would've seen a similar series to last year?

Here's why most will not buy your argument. You have to deal with facts. I'll give u facts, because some people like to ignore the facts especially about last season's Celtics/Heat series.

Fact:
  • Rondo dislocated his elbow.
  • Shaq had a strained calf muscle and Achilles tendon.
    • J.O'Neal fractured his wrist in the Knicks/Celtics series.
    • Big Baby provided nothing for two rounds.
      • Celtics new bench nonproductive/no chemistry.
      • No Kendrick Perkins
      To suggest that Bosh was the difference maker in this year's series is un-true. I'm sure you and others were not saying that when Miami headed into Boston with 2-0 lead. It's not until Boston, went into Miami with the series 2-2, then left Miami, lead 3-2, that Bosh suddenly became important. If Miami won the series easily without Bosh, u would not of made that argument.

      You need to give credit to the Celtics. Though the C's lead 3-2 and should of won. It's only right to give the Celts credit for making it a 7 game series when u and others thought the series would be a walk in the park for Miami. A banged up, injury depleted, veteran team with aging superstars nearly made it to the finals when everyone wrote them off to swept in 4.


         




       

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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2012, 02:22:05 PM »

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Though the Celtics were the underdog they nearly pulled off the upset at least in the media eyes. A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team, lead the series 3-2. But OKC only won one game in the Finals. Not a good look on the Thunder's part.


A banged up, depleted, injured veteran Celtics team? The Heat were missing one of their best players for the majority of the series and the Celtics still couldn't win. It's great the C's took the Heat to 7, but I'm fairly certain that with a healthy Bosh we would've seen a similar series to last year.



  Miami's best players are their wings, and none of our wings were healthy. PP was at about 70%, Ray at about 40% and Bradley (and Green for that matter) was out. I'm fairly certain that having 2-3 healthy wing players would make a significant difference if you're playing a team with Wade and James on it.

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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2012, 03:19:01 PM »

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It'd be a lot harder for the mystic traveler to talk about game 6 if they weren't handed game 2 on a silver platter...

There would have been no game 6.