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Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2012, 11:23:50 AM »

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If he comes here I see it happening in July or August. Andy Kats mentioned that the Celtics are unlikely to make two picks to bring in two rookies. Maybe they deal one of their picks for a future pick then move that pick (along with other picks) later in the offseason to land Smith.

Personally, I love the idea of moving one of the picks for a future pick.

Not sure yet on the Josh Smith ideas (depends on a lot of other things).
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Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 11:23:59 AM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I agree with Redz. 



The talent is good, the price (contract) is to much for what he does. 
Question for you guys who would you rather have Smith or Jeff Green?

Neither.


Don't make a move for Smith.


Try and sign and trade Green.  (I have a feeling he is about to be over payed.  At best, he is a MLE type of guy)

Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 11:34:11 AM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I agree with Redz. 



The talent is good, the price (contract) is to much for what he does. 
Question for you guys who would you rather have Smith or Jeff Green?

Neither.


Don't make a move for Smith.


Try and sign and trade Green.  (I have a feeling he is about to be over payed.  At best, he is a MLE type of guy)
If you think he is worth the MLE I certainly agree that he is about to get overpaid. Not sure what another team's incentive to do a sign and trade with us is. Which players do you think are good value plays for this offseason that you would bring in?
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Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2012, 11:45:08 AM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I agree with Redz. 



The talent is good, the price (contract) is to much for what he does. 
Question for you guys who would you rather have Smith or Jeff Green?

Neither.


Don't make a move for Smith.


Try and sign and trade Green.  (I have a feeling he is about to be over payed.  At best, he is a MLE type of guy)
If you think he is worth the MLE I certainly agree that he is about to get overpaid. Not sure what another team's incentive to do a sign and trade with us is. Which players do you think are good value plays for this offseason that you would bring in?


KG and Ray Allen on short term contracts.


Asik if you can get him around the MLE. 



But for the Celtics that are so close to a turnover, not to many players. 


I like the idea of getting players like Brand, Billups or Kwame Brown on a short term contract. 

Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2012, 11:47:49 AM »

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I hope your feeling is right. because this has been my dream for a couple years.

It is certainly not my dream, but adding Josh Smith to a team with Rondo, Bradley, Pierce, (possibly) KG, and (possibly) Jeff Green would instantly make us contenders for the Eastern Conference again next year, and in my opinion we could be one of the best defensive teams of the past 2 decades.

Adding Smith would help even more if KG decides not to come back, as it now gives us a starting PF for the next couple years (I am assuming Danny would only do this trade if he could get Smith to agree to an extension.)  KG and Ray's salaries then come off the books in full, half of that goes to extending Smith, an the other piece is save for the 2013/2014 Free Agent class.


Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2012, 11:54:31 AM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I don't either.  But if the price is right, I would gladly give him a one year tryout with this team.

I don't consider J. Smith at $13M next year too expensive.  Maybe he is worth more like $10M in real terms, but that's nothing like a Joe Johnson contract ($19.7M next year!!!).

Either way you view Smith, we would have to get a 3rd team involved somehow.  The one unfortunate thing about having so much cap flexibility is that you don't have many tradeable contracts.  We could either move Rondo or Pierce (or both) to absorb a salary like Josh Smith, but there is not way either of those 2 are being traded for him.


Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012, 12:03:15 PM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I don't either.  But if the price is right, I would gladly give him a one year tryout with this team.

I don't consider J. Smith at $13M next year too expensive.  Maybe he is worth more like $10M in real terms, but that's nothing like a Joe Johnson contract ($19.7M next year!!!).

Either way you view Smith, we would have to get a 3rd team involved somehow.  The one unfortunate thing about having so much cap flexibility is that you don't have many tradeable contracts.  We could either move Rondo or Pierce (or both) to absorb a salary like Josh Smith, but there is not way either of those 2 are being traded for him.



I mean the price to trade for him.  I would gladly give up 2 low first rounders for him.  But beyond that, it is probably too rich for my blood.

I think Smith is an intriguing player, but I also think he needs to find the right fit.  Which is why I love that he has only 1 year left on his deal.  He could come in, and you can see first hand what wins out with the Rondo/Smith combination...the awesome athleticism and fast break potential, or the lack of shooting gumming up the halfcourt offense.

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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2012, 12:09:06 PM »

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I believe Rondo and Smith are good friends. Maybe Danny would want to make Rondo happy going forward?

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Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2012, 12:10:45 PM »

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I believe Rondo and Smith are good friends. Maybe Danny would want to make Rondo happy going forward?

Mk

I don't think Danny takes friendship too much into consideration...


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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2012, 12:13:49 PM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I don't either.  But if the price is right, I would gladly give him a one year tryout with this team.

I don't consider J. Smith at $13M next year too expensive.  Maybe he is worth more like $10M in real terms, but that's nothing like a Joe Johnson contract ($19.7M next year!!!).

Either way you view Smith, we would have to get a 3rd team involved somehow.  The one unfortunate thing about having so much cap flexibility is that you don't have many tradeable contracts.  We could either move Rondo or Pierce (or both) to absorb a salary like Josh Smith, but there is not way either of those 2 are being traded for him.



I mean the price to trade for him.  I would gladly give up 2 low first rounders for him.  But beyond that, it is probably too rich for my blood.

I think Smith is an intriguing player, but I also think he needs to find the right fit.  Which is why I love that he has only 1 year left on his deal.  He could come in, and you can see first hand what wins out with the Rondo/Smith combination...the awesome athleticism and fast break potential, or the lack of shooting gumming up the halfcourt offense.

I could see the relative lack of shooting being an issue.  You just have to make sure your wing players are good shooters.  Luckily we have should have that for at least next season (Pierce/possibly Ray).

I would love to see Rondo running the break with Bradley and Smith.  They would run teams off the court.

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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2012, 12:17:05 PM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I agree with Redz. 



The talent is good, the price (contract) is to much for what he does. 
Question for you guys who would you rather have Smith or Jeff Green?

Neither.


Don't make a move for Smith.


Try and sign and trade Green.  (I have a feeling he is about to be over payed.  At best, he is a MLE type of guy)
If you think he is worth the MLE I certainly agree that he is about to get overpaid. Not sure what another team's incentive to do a sign and trade with us is. Which players do you think are good value plays for this offseason that you would bring in?


KG and Ray Allen on short term contracts.


Asik if you can get him around the MLE. 



But for the Celtics that are so close to a turnover, not to many players. 


I like the idea of getting players like Brand, Billups or Kwame Brown on a short term contract. 
I agree that we must retain our cap flexibility for next year's monster free agent class. However, I'm fine with giving Green $4-8 MM on a one year deal to do so. Ideally we could fill out our roster with one year deals, so that when KG and Pierce retire after next season we can go hard after Dwight. The problem is I'm not sure what free agents we can bring in while only dangling one year deals and a shot to knock off the hated Heat.
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Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012, 12:21:04 PM »

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I believe Rondo and Smith are good friends. Maybe Danny would want to make Rondo happy going forward?

Mk

I don't think Danny takes friendship too much into consideration...


Probably not, although when Danny traded Perk, the C's were still PP's team. The team's now Rondo's... or pretty close going forward.

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Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2012, 12:33:15 PM »

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Reagarding what Atlanta might be able to get in a trade of Smith, I'm of the opinion it's less than what most people think.

Atlanta is going to be forced to have to trade Smith soon, or risk losing him for nothing.  Smith has made it known he wants out of Atlanta.  Also, Smith hasn't exactly made any preference known as to where he would like to play.  Teams will be reluctant to offer much in a trade for a one year rental they can't be sure will re-sign.

On the other hand, Smith is known to be good friends with our best player (Rondo), and has on more than one occasion had very good things to say about the Celtics franchise and it's fan base.  I would have to think this would give the Celtics a certain level of comfort with making a deal for Smith other teams might not have.

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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2012, 12:57:23 PM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)

I agree with Redz. 



The talent is good, the price (contract) is to much for what he does. 
Question for you guys who would you rather have Smith or Jeff Green?

Josh Smith hands down.
 And Jeff Green given a deal over Brandon Bass.

Re: Have a feeling Josh Smtih
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2012, 02:52:17 PM »

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I really don't like Josh Smith.

(I like to say that every few months)
I think it every time his name comes up. I know he is "talented" and is a "friend of Rondo" and maybe he'd be a great player for the Celtics, but I doubt that and just don't like him.