What is the difference between Drummond and Jeremy Tyler?

[Eja117]

I'm pretty sure if Tyler had played in the Big East last year he could have done better than 10ppg and 7rpg. 

I just don't see the big deal with Drummond. Either that or people should be freaking out about Jeremy Tyler the way they are about Drummond I would think.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The way I look, Drummond is more athletic, and more physically imposing when he reaches his potential.

We missed a boat on Jeremy Tyler though. If we had him over JJJ, and I mean no disrespect but he probably could've contributed for us more.

[arambone]

Bad memories.

Tyler was my choice, until Brooks fell to 25. Either one of those guys would have contributed, and Brooks would have played a role against Miami and perhaps OKC.

Just like either D'Andre Jordan or Mario Chalmers could have put the Celtics over the top a year or two in reserve roles.

Drummond and Tyler's athletic testing was almost identical. Drummond didn't test out as the athlete people were expecting.


I honestly don't know if Doc can be a reloading coach. He would have to put his regular rookie methods away for a year or two.

Even in a championship driven year, E'twan languished on the bench all year when he should have been given a steady if small dose of minutes.

Even if a rookie isn't ready to properly play a helpful role early in the regular season, that rookie may still be able to help out in the playoffs if injuries strike.

If developing rookies with a bit of playing time sends the wrong message, clarify that message and tell the rookie he might be needed in the playoffs, even though he'd otherwise be on the bench.

Case in point, Jeremy Tyler got steady playing time, and by the end of the year he was a regular, solid contributor as good or probably better than Steimsma and Hollins. As an 18 year old.

[Galeto]

In Drummond's defense, he is about 3 years younger than Tyler.  I don't think there are as many questions about his mental makeup either, though it's possible if Drummond had gone to Israel with just his girlfriend to play professional ball, he might have been booted unceremoniously too.  It's possible.

I think Tyler's getting way too much praise for his play at the end of the season.  He wasn't bad on the boards but he shot 41 percent from the field the only month he got significant playing time.  It's not like he was lights out.

To think that Doc would've played Tyler at all is madness.  Tyler only started getting minutes once Golden State was in an all out assault for the 7th pick in the draft.  That's how little Golden State thought he was ready to contribute to their below-average team for most of the season.  He wouldn't have gotten any time for the Celtics.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

In Drummond's defense, he is about 3 years younger than Tyler.  I don't think there are as many questions about his mental makeup either, though it's possible if Drummond had gone to Israel with just his girlfriend to play professional ball, he might have been booted unceremoniously too.  It's possible.

I think Tyler's getting way too much praise for his play at the end of the season.  He wasn't bad on the boards but he shot 41 percent from the field the only month he got significant playing time.  It's not like he was lights out.

To think that Doc would've played Tyler at all is madness.  Tyler only started getting minutes once Golden State was in an all out assault for the 7th pick in the draft.  That's how little Golden State thought he was ready to contribute to their below-average team for most of the season.  He wouldn't have gotten any time for the Celtics.

I disagree here with the Tyler thing and the tanking. I've seen pretty much all Warriors games and believe me, Mark Jackson likes what he sees in Jeremy. He's also admitted that he has some ways to go, but he's total effort, especially on the defensive side. He wasn't as big as everyone thought he would but he's no pushover either. While yes they were tanking, it was also a good time to see what they have on their rooks (Jenkins, Klay and him) and they like what they saw.

They we're actually losing better with Beans on the court than Tyler is. Tyler is not as mature as JJJ, but trust me, he could could've have contributed more if he was here. Like I said, they we're tanking because no Bogut and Steph, but those rooks were playing hard against teams needing wins, and he was holding his own, for 18 minutes a game at least.

[arambone]

Looks like Tyler is 26 months older than Drummond.

Even if his contribution this year was limited to sub-Steimsma level, he would have been entering his first summer league and training camp these next few months.

If Tyler didn't go to Israel and played a year of college instead, he would have been in close to the same situation Drummond is in now, but a couple years ago.

[Kathleen5]

Thanks for your post.

[Celtics4ever]

I would much rather have Drummond than Melo.   But I agree numbers on both Melo and Drummond were far below what they should have been.

[Eja117]

I didn't realize Tyler is 2 years older and such a poor shooter, but his NBDL stats are at least as impressive as Drummond's Big East stats, and then when you factor in decent play in the actual NBA I just don't see Drummond as a lot better. So then you look at the results of their athleticism and maybe Tyler is a little closer to Eddy Curry land, but you could argue Drummond is a little closer to Kwame Brown land. 
So then how about mental make up? I think Tyler learned some valuable lessons the hard way, and clawed back. I don't know. 
It's not so much that I have low regard for Drummond at all. I think he's head and shoulders above the other centers for now. It's that I have high regard for Tyler.

The two guys I feel like may have left lots of money on the table for coming out early was Drummond and Avery Bradley. I feel like if they were in this draft they are both in the top 8 discussion.

[clover]

I didn't realize Tyler is 2 years older and such a poor shooter, but his NBDL stats are at least as impressive as Drummond's Big East stats, and then when you factor in decent play in the actual NBA I just don't see Drummond as a lot better. So then you look at the results of their athleticism and maybe Tyler is a little closer to Eddy Curry land, but you could argue Drummond is a little closer to Kwame Brown land. 
So then how about mental make up? I think Tyler learned some valuable lessons the hard way, and clawed back. I don't know. 
It's not so much that I have low regard for Drummond at all. I think he's head and shoulders above the other centers for now. It's that I have high regard for Tyler.

The two guys I feel like may have left lots of money on the table for coming out early was Drummond and Avery Bradley. I feel like if they were in this draft they are both in the top 8 discussion.

How much more would Bradley have made as a #8 pick than a number #21 pick, considering that this way he got an additional year of salary out of it which should also translates to an additional veteran-salary year in his prime?  That is, beyond his rookie contract a year earlier when he's entering his earnings prime?  I think the same could be asked of Tyler and Drummond should do very well in the top 5 or 6 this year as it is.

[Who]

Andre Drummond has proven, at the bare minimum, to be an NBA level defender/rebounder which is more than Jeremy Tyler had shown playing abroad.

Even if Drummond fails to develop well, he will be, like Kwame Brown, a decent starter / high level backup center in the NBA. Meanwhile, if Jeremy Tyler fails to develop, he'll at best be a third string center, or, more likely, end up out of the league within a few years.

That all said, I agree that Tyler went too low in the draft. Anytime you get a big man with his youth, size and athleticism ... he should be a first round pick (ditto with DeAndre Jordan). Too much upside to ignore. As for Drummond, ideally, I'd say he is more of a late lottery to mid first round pick (like Andrew Bynum when he went #10). 

Also, I am surprised to see any praise for what Tyler did last year for the Warriors. He was god-awful. He had no ability to defend his position or comprehension of how to play team defense. His offensive game was extremely limited and his rebounding was well below par. He was one of the worst players in the league last season. He was a massive liability.

But you knew that when you were drafting Tyler, that he was going to take time and need a great deal of work before he was ready to play to be a positive contributor. So, even though he sucked, it doesn't mean that he won't be a useful player down the road.

[Chris]

The way I look, Drummond is more athletic, and more physically imposing when he reaches his potential.

Yeah, Drummond is a once in a generation physical specimen, along the lines of Dwight Howard.  He is in a completely different stratosphere athletically from Tyler.

Although I do think they are similar prospects, and Tyler makes up for his lower athleticism with a bit more polish.  

They are both high risk/high reward guys.

[Eja117]

I think one thing that makes Tyler look a little worse than he actually is is that his draft was really a really surprisingly good draft.  I mean almost every single pick in both rounds has shown SOMETHING somewhere be it the league, NBDL, or overseas...and those guys didn't even have summer league. I don't see any picks that are just awful throw away picks.  There are guys that don't wow you or didn't do what we thought and hoped, but not lots that make you want to puke or anything. That said I think getting Tyler at 39 was a heist.

[Galeto]

Andre Drummond has proven, at the bare minimum, to be an NBA level defender/rebounder which is more than Jeremy Tyler had shown playing abroad.

What constitutes a NBA level defender?  I don't understand the talk about Drummond being a defensive monster for Uconn last year.  He was such a defensive monster for Uconn that they were pretty terrible on defense and struggled to rebound last year.  I expected a guy with his defensive tools to have a bigger impact than he did, despite his youth.

His rebounding numbers were not too stellar and while he averaged a good amount of blocks, it was in the vein of DeAndre Jordan, not overly impactful.  I didn't see him display the motor or defensive IQ to shut down the paint like a defensive monster can.

[Jerald7]

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