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Offline raynman

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Hinrich and Odom!
Hinrich would be the perfect backup for Rondo and the guard rotation with Bradley would be one hell of a defensive combo!
Odom provides a lot of flexibility and vet leadership and what better way to get back at the Lakers than win a ring with us, right?
I hope they can sign for 5M each, then re-sign KG and Jeff Green, hopefully Ray as well... We can draft a scorer or a Center, and sign some good FAs like Carl Landry.. That's probably good enough to contend again!

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2012, 08:19:46 AM »

Offline BMark

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Oadom's too old and all done.  I like Hinrich for his defense but we really need rebounding and strength inside.

I think any deal should be run past KG for his input. I believe he would sign off on Hinrich and Humphries

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2012, 08:32:38 AM »

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Assuming the salary cap for next year is around $53M, (safe assumption) most of your dreams here can't possibly happen.

On the books already is $30.5M:  Pierce ($16.8M), Rondo ($11M), Bradley ($1.6M), JJJ ($1.1M).  

Then we have to add in our expected two first round picks for $2.2M total.  

So we are at $32.7, before we get to our re-signings: KG (we'll say $8M, but probably north of $10M), Jeff Green on a short 1 yr/$4M contract, and Chris Wilcox on a short 1 yr/$2M contract.  I Put Wilcox and Green on short contracts because of the heart surgeries and they are looking to prove themselves.

So now we are at $46.7M on 9 players, giving us $6.3M to spend to accumulate 6 other guys, making it nearly impossible to get Ray Allen, Carl Landry, Hinrich, and Lamar Odom.  BUT, if you don't renounce the Bird-rights on Ray Allen and re-sign him at what he wants, probably $8M/yr, and therfore never slipping below the salary cap, I believe the C's get the mini mid-level exception (approx $3M), which could land them either Hinrich or possibly Odom.  I'm thinking Carl Landry could demand more than that on the open market, a la Brandon Bass. And I'd be surprised if Odom didn't take more money somewhere else, like Brooklyn.


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Salary cap will be more than that - around 60 mil.

Assuming the salary cap for next year is around $53M, (safe assumption) most of your dreams here can't possibly happen.

On the books already is $30.5M:  Pierce ($16.8M), Rondo ($11M), Bradley ($1.6M), JJJ ($1.1M).  

Then we have to add in our expected two first round picks for $2.2M total.  

So we are at $32.7, before we get to our re-signings: KG (we'll say $8M, but probably north of $10M), Jeff Green on a short 1 yr/$4M contract, and Chris Wilcox on a short 1 yr/$2M contract.  I Put Wilcox and Green on short contracts because of the heart surgeries and they are looking to prove themselves.

So now we are at $46.7M on 9 players, giving us $6.3M to spend to accumulate 6 other guys, making it nearly impossible to get Ray Allen, Carl Landry, Hinrich, and Lamar Odom.  BUT, if you don't renounce the Bird-rights on Ray Allen and re-sign him at what he wants, probably $8M/yr, and therfore never slipping below the salary cap, I believe the C's get the mini mid-level exception (approx $3M), which could land them either Hinrich or possibly Odom.  I'm thinking Carl Landry could demand more than that on the open market, a la Brandon Bass. And I'd be surprised if Odom didn't take more money somewhere else, like Brooklyn.



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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2012, 09:41:55 AM »

Offline Jon Niednagel

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At one point early in his career I thought Hinrich was going to become the younger version of Nash. Maybe not the creativity, but the importance to his team and the league. Then he got hurt and was out for while. Then Rose came along. He never seemed to return to the player I thought he could be. I still have a soft spot for him and think he would be great on the celtics; however, I don't think he is a "must get" at this point. In my opinion, which could be wrong, Hinrich is better than Dooling, and the ability to play him at the point or off guard like Dooling is great. But, you can find guys (like Dooling) that can give you that for much cheaper. I want nothing to do with Odom.
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Offline Celtics18

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Hinrich and Odom!
Hinrich would be the perfect backup for Rondo and the guard rotation with Bradley would be one hell of a defensive combo!
Odom provides a lot of flexibility and vet leadership and what better way to get back at the Lakers than win a ring with us, right?
I hope they can sign for 5M each, then re-sign KG and Jeff Green, hopefully Ray as well... We can draft a scorer or a Center, and sign some good FAs like Carl Landry.. That's probably good enough to contend again!

I don't know what to make of Lamar Odom.  I don't think there's more of a wildcard player out there.  He could play like an all-star difference maker for someone, or he could be completely mentally checked out of the game.

I say, go for it.

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2012, 10:00:43 AM »

Offline PRIDE

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Odom comes with too much baggage in the form of the Kardashian family. I really don't want that side show anywhere near my team.

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2012, 10:29:06 AM »

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I think Hinrich has dropped off quite a bit over the last few years. My interest in him is fairly low.

I do like Lamar Odom. He had some problems mentally last year but his skill level and physical talent hasn't declined. I am still confident, or perhaps more hopeful, that he can overcome those issues after a full off-season and a start in a new place next season.

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Offline scaryjerry

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Absolutely no to Odom.
Hinrich would be a nice backup

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Offline scaryjerry

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I think Hinrich has dropped off quite a bit over the last few years. My interest in him is fairly low.

I do like Lamar Odom. He had some problems mentally last year but his skill level and physical talent hasn't declined. I am still confident, or perhaps more hopeful, that he can overcome those issues after a full off-season and a start in a new place next season.

How are you so sure his skill level and physical talents havent declined, and Hinrich whos played hurt has? seems weird. Its just all mental and you know that... and imo even if youre dead on accurate with odom getting his things together next year....i feel the last team on the face of the planet he would do that for is the boston celtics....clippers  out in lala land? maybe

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2012, 06:29:43 PM »

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I think Hinrich has dropped off quite a bit over the last few years. My interest in him is fairly low.

I do like Lamar Odom. He had some problems mentally last year but his skill level and physical talent hasn't declined. I am still confident, or perhaps more hopeful, that he can overcome those issues after a full off-season and a start in a new place next season.

How are you so sure his skill level and physical talents havent declined, and Hinrich whos played hurt has? seems weird. Its just all mental and you know that... and imo even if youre dead on accurate with odom getting his things together next year....i feel the last team on the face of the planet he would do that for is the boston celtics....clippers  out in lala land? maybe
Just my impressions of each player.

I think that Hinrich has been slowly declining from quite a long time now. Not just this last season with Atlanta. But prior to that, prior to Washington and back with his final seasons with the Bulls. Gradually dropping off, year after year.

Starting with his offense where he wasn't able to take his man off the dribble as frequently as was before (or get out in transition as well) and becoming more reliant on his jump-shot as a result. Then over the last two years with his defense, the quickness isn't there against speedy guards anymore. He doesn't have the same defensive range or impact anymore.

Hinrich is still a rotation player in the league but he is closer to a Keyon Dooling type bench player than the average starting guard he was a few years back with the Bulls.

Odom, on the other hand, is one year removed from what was arguably his best season as a pro. Yes, he struggled mightily in Dallas last season but there was clearly a lot of off-the-court issues there as well as some problems fit-wise with the Mavericks. If he can get his house in order off the court, and find a good home on the court, I think he can get back near where he was 12 months ago.

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I like the thought of bringing Odom in he's not done, no major injury the guy obviously wants to make a comeback after that off year and he's probably going to have a chip on his shoulder coming back. He's got basketball left in him for sure why not.
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I like the thought of bringing Odom in he's not done, no major injury the guy obviously wants to make a comeback after that off year and he's probably going to have a chip on his shoulder coming back. He's got basketball left in him for sure why not.

ya, I personally dont think odom is done either...most of his problems last year with the mavericks were off the court which caused "on the court" problems.

just a year before he was 6th man of the year material...if he can get his head on straight, he can be a big difference maker for a team.


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I like the thought of bringing Odom in he's not done, no major injury the guy obviously wants to make a comeback after that off year and he's probably going to have a chip on his shoulder coming back. He's got basketball left in him for sure why not.

ya, I personally dont think odom is done either...most of his problems last year with the mavericks were off the court which caused "on the court" problems.

just a year before he was 6th man of the year material...if he can get his head on straight, he can be a big difference maker for a team.


The only thing you would think is Boston as far as location isn't that attractive bad weather and all but maybe that's why he would be open to it, no outside distractions he would eat sleep and sh** basketball here
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I think Odom and his length is a must for the Celtics, he played college ball up here so we at least know he'd be comfortable with the area. As we all saw in Dallas comfort is a huge thing for Mr. Kardashian