playoff teams looking to trade out of 1st round

[diconzo]

Golden State and Atlanta seem like teams (below us anyway) that would be considering trading out. They both have a lot tied up and neither are really big market/ big seller teams. (even though ATL has made the playoffs the past few years) It would be really interesting for trades OR our team if we had 3 first rounders, then again its not my money

[arambone]

"Best to add a blue chipper to that group than a couple of reds."

There's only one blue chipper in the whole draft.

Mostly just 20+ solid starters, many of which might sniff an All Star game once in a while.

Charlotte would be smart to make that trade, and would save money too. Wroten would be the perfect compliment to Kemba Walker in that back court, and plenty of other worthy talent with the other pick.

[jaketwice]

I don't think Charlotte would, or should, trade the #2 for a selection of late 1st round picks.

If they do move the pick, they need either a legit starter in return, or a pick in the top 8 plus another 1st.

That roster is pretty thin on talent. Best to add a blue chipper to that group than a couple of reds.

Really though? ...they are not going to get demonstrably better with either Kidd-Gilchrist or Robinson. They have a bunch of guys already that can get 15ppg and 6-7 rebounds. ...and that's who those guys are (or so I've read). They might be starters - but they're role-playing starters (again, so I've read).

Wouldn't it be better to stockpile some assets, and try to land a departing Free Agent from the rich 2013 class? Jrue Holliday is going to want his money, and wouldn't the 76ers rather get value back than let him walk? Likewise with Taj Gibson and Serge Ibaka. If things weren't working out in GS, or PHX, they could trade assets to a (rebuilding) team, and get Bogust or Gortat to round out what would end up being a much better roster.

Since the 2013 (and by some accounts the 2014) class is going to suck - wouldn't it be better to put together a winner, and try and go for the playoffs?

[Lucky17]

"Best to add a blue chipper to that group than a couple of reds."

There's only one blue chipper in the whole draft.

Mostly just 20+ solid starters, many of which might sniff an All Star game once in a while.

Charlotte would be smart to make that trade, and would save money too. Wroten would be the perfect compliment to Kemba Walker in that back court, and plenty of other worthy talent with the other pick.

Davis isn't a blue-chipper, he's a franchise player.

From what I've heard and read about the draft, the next tier of players (those projected in the top 5 or so: Robinson, Beal, etc.) appear to be blue-chippers. After that, there seems to be little differentiating the players comprising the remainder of the first round.

Regardless, why trade the #2 for two picks, when you can probably just buy another late 1st if you're Charlotte?

[slamtheking]

Since the 2013 (and by some accounts the 2014) class is going to suck

just curious, why is the next draft supposed to suck?  I understand that this is a pretty deep draft with solid players but a number of good players withdrew from the draft or just plain didn't declare. 

I would think that next year would at least be decent or average.  Any info as to why it won't be very good?

[Lucky17]

I don't think Charlotte would, or should, trade the #2 for a selection of late 1st round picks.

If they do move the pick, they need either a legit starter in return, or a pick in the top 8 plus another 1st.

That roster is pretty thin on talent. Best to add a blue chipper to that group than a couple of reds.

Really though? ...they are not going to get demonstrably better with either Kidd-Gilchrist or Robinson. They have a bunch of guys already that can get 15ppg and 6-7 rebounds. ...and that's who those guys are (or so I've read). They might be starters - but they're role-playing starters (again, so I've read).

Wouldn't it be better to stockpile some assets, and try to land a departing Free Agent from the rich 2013 class? Jrue Holliday is going to want his money, and wouldn't the 76ers rather get value back than let him walk? Likewise with Taj Gibson and Serge Ibaka. If things weren't working out in GS, or PHX, they could trade assets to a (rebuilding) team, and get Bogust or Gortat to round out what would end up being a much better roster.

Since the 2013 (and by some accounts the 2014) class is going to suck - wouldn't it be better to put together a winner, and try and go for the playoffs?

It's definitely not going to be a quick fix in Charlotte. Davis would have been a godsend for them. Now, they've got some tough decisions to make. Is Kemba Walker their PG of the future? Can Biyombo develop into a capable starting big man? Can Gerald Henderson continue his development as a legit two-way wing player (a la Arron Afflalo/Nic Batum)?

I think Rich Cho is up for it, if he's given time. Question is whether Jordan will give it to him.

In terms of draft strategy, I'd entertain offers for the #2. But, unless they get a sweetheart of a deal, I say keep the pick. Use the following year to identify and develop your core players. Judiciously rent out any available 2012/13 cap space for picks/assets. Don't overpay veterans for the sake of winning a handful of games (Maggette and Ty Thomas are two problem's as far as production per dollar amount is concerned, although Maggette is expiring, at least). Maintain your position for the 2013 free agent class, and see what the market will bring. Even if you can't land an elite player, you still might be able to parlay your cap space into improving your roster.

[jaketwice]

Since the 2013 (and by some accounts the 2014) class is going to suck

just curious, why is the next draft supposed to suck?  I understand that this is a pretty deep draft with solid players but a number of good players withdrew from the draft or just plain didn't declare. 

I would think that next year would at least be decent or average.  Any info as to why it won't be very good?

Cody Zeller is the number one projected. Just sayin'

[mqtcelticsfan]

Consider me dubious of the notion that next year's class is going to be a bad one. While I'm not going to argue the class is a deep one, I think there are a number of potential impact players at the top, such as Zeller, Muhammad, Noel, McAdoo and perhaps guys like BJ Young, Steven Adams, Alex Poythress or Isiah Austin.

[jaketwice]

Consider me dubious of the notion that next year's class is going to be a bad one. While I'm not going to argue the class is a deep one, I think there are a number of potential impact players at the top, such as Zeller, Muhammad, Noel, McAdoo and perhaps guys like BJ Young, Steven Adams, Alex Poythress or Isiah Austin.

Nerlens Noel will be the number one: call it. ...but those players are not amazing the way Davis is Amazing. And I'd rather have any of the big men in this draft than any of those guys.

[hwangjini_1]

Could make it rather hard for the C's to move up much if there are a lot of lower first round picks that are available from other teams.

wouldnt the opposite be more accurate? those teams with lower picks might be willing to either sell to ainge or take cash and a celtic pick since it would save them money.

[Finkelskyhook]

With the Cs obviously looking to the future I am confident the Cs are not in this trade out situation.

This does create a nice opportunity for Ainge to work with. With so much money coming off the books this off season ownership is going to be in a position to save money on salaries cap penalties for 2012-2013 (even if everyone is resigned KG and Ray deal will not be as big as this years).

These savings should make them much more willing to pay for a late 1st round pick from a team like Miami, OKC, or Chicago. I do not expect the Cs to draft 3 1st round picks but I could see them using 21-22 to move up to maybe 15-18 and then purchase maybe the 29th from chicago.

The huge numbers and range of player the Cs are working out leads me to believe that they at least are looking at the possibility of drafting later in the first or earlier in the second.

If the C's were obviously looking to the future they would not have signed arguably the worst developmental coach in the NBA to a long-term extension.  They're not trading down.  Maybe up for immediate help but not down.

Garnett will be resigned for sure.  Jeff Green and Wilcox will likely be resigned.  IMHO, Allen is the least likely to be resigned.  The roster will be reloaded...Not rebuilt.  Look for one or both of the first rounders to be traded for help at the 4-5.  Combine them, if healthy, with Bradley...And we're better than this year's team. 

[Yogi]

With the Cs obviously looking to the future I am confident the Cs are not in this trade out situation.

This does create a nice opportunity for Ainge to work with. With so much money coming off the books this off season ownership is going to be in a position to save money on salaries cap penalties for 2012-2013 (even if everyone is resigned KG and Ray deal will not be as big as this years).

These savings should make them much more willing to pay for a late 1st round pick from a team like Miami, OKC, or Chicago. I do not expect the Cs to draft 3 1st round picks but I could see them using 21-22 to move up to maybe 15-18 and then purchase maybe the 29th from chicago.

The huge numbers and range of player the Cs are working out leads me to believe that they at least are looking at the possibility of drafting later in the first or earlier in the second.

If the C's were obviously looking to the future they would not have signed arguably the worst developmental coach in the NBA to a long-term extension.  They're not trading down.  Maybe up for immediate help but not down.

Garnett will be resigned for sure.  Jeff Green and Wilcox will likely be resigned.  IMHO, Allen is the least likely to be resigned.  The roster will be reloaded...Not rebuilt.  Look for one or both of the first rounders to be traded for help at the 4-5.  Combine them, if healthy, with Bradley...And we're better than this year's team. 

We've been over this... Bradley, Rondo, Perkins, Davis, West Doc has been the master of developing late round picks into NBA contributors even stars.  I'm not sure what you are talking about.  Which coach in the league has a more impressive record? even with better picks?

[slamtheking]

Since the 2013 (and by some accounts the 2014) class is going to suck

just curious, why is the next draft supposed to suck?  I understand that this is a pretty deep draft with solid players but a number of good players withdrew from the draft or just plain didn't declare. 

I would think that next year would at least be decent or average.  Any info as to why it won't be very good?

Cody Zeller is the number one projected. Just sayin'

well that would be a disappointment but I think what will happen is the same thing that happens almost every year---a freshman (or two or several) will amaze everyone and become the top pick.   We'll need a deep draft when the C's end up with the 30th pick  

[CFAN38]

What if we could somehow acquire one of these late round picks - allowing us to trade THREE draft picks to Charlotte for, say Thomas Robinson (I think we need a big).

that works in the NFL not the NBA

though I could see them trading down a few spots but not for 3 picks after 20

[Finkelskyhook]

With the Cs obviously looking to the future I am confident the Cs are not in this trade out situation.

This does create a nice opportunity for Ainge to work with. With so much money coming off the books this off season ownership is going to be in a position to save money on salaries cap penalties for 2012-2013 (even if everyone is resigned KG and Ray deal will not be as big as this years).

These savings should make them much more willing to pay for a late 1st round pick from a team like Miami, OKC, or Chicago. I do not expect the Cs to draft 3 1st round picks but I could see them using 21-22 to move up to maybe 15-18 and then purchase maybe the 29th from chicago.

The huge numbers and range of player the Cs are working out leads me to believe that they at least are looking at the possibility of drafting later in the first or earlier in the second.

If the C's were obviously looking to the future they would not have signed arguably the worst developmental coach in the NBA to a long-term extension.  They're not trading down.  Maybe up for immediate help but not down.

Garnett will be resigned for sure.  Jeff Green and Wilcox will likely be resigned.  IMHO, Allen is the least likely to be resigned.  The roster will be reloaded...Not rebuilt.  Look for one or both of the first rounders to be traded for help at the 4-5.  Combine them, if healthy, with Bradley...And we're better than this year's team. 

We've been over this... Bradley, Rondo, Perkins, Davis, West Doc has been the master of developing late round picks into NBA contributors even stars.  I'm not sure what you are talking about.  Which coach in the league has a more impressive record? even with better picks?

Popovich.  Brooks.  Thibodeau.  Collins Among others.

The point I was reacting to is that we were obviously looking to the future.  Our fanbase is not going to tolerate tanking again.  Or even the appearance of it...As was the case defensively in Rivers' tenure prior to Garnett / Thibodeau.   So the team isn't going to be blown up.  They wouldn't pay Rivers that much to coach a 25 win team.