Perry Jones III and saying "hey"

[Smartacus]

Hello Celticsblog, my name is Brendan Carroll and I am a 23 year old draft obsessed lurker who works with credit card processing in Boston and feels the need to post after being called out on the front page.

May I start by saying that I appreciate the kick in the "word not promitted by forum rules" to start posting and stop lurking. I take no offense to the call out and appreciate the none to subtle nudge that I received.
 
Anyways most posts that I have lurked have focused upon 1 of 2 scenarios.A we trade up to pick Austin Rivers or Jared Sullinger. B we use our picks for some middling post lottery talent. Well may I go on record saying I believe that we should package the picks trade up... but rather than a flashy scoring guard like Rivers or a Rich Man's Glen Davis in Sullinger I believe that we should swing for the fences with and go with a potential burst or bust all star in Perry Jones III.

Are you telling me that a team that is picking in the lottery wouldn't wiling give up the GM killer that would be PJIII. He doesn't have the killer instinct mind set to lead a crappy team nor will he reach his potential trying pull a bunch of scrubs through the muck.

I once lurked an article that said that PJIII was growing tired of being the best player on the court. While some would see this as a major red flag, I see a guy that is nasty at basketball and is tired of getting pulled on and triple teamed in every game he plays.

What some would call a lack of competitive drive to me shows a humility where the man realizes that he can be an amazing Player if he is not the focus of a team entire defensive philosophy.(Plus lets face it he was competing with Quincy Miller all year, had guards that would shoot first and shoot second and pass at last resort and as stated, was facing a stop PJIII defensive mindset every night he played)

I truly hope that Danny considers trading up for Jones III. Even if it took Bass and 1 if not 2 of our firsts, sign me up because in terms of potential it is very rare to have the opportunity to select a potential first overall talent.

[clover]

Hi Brendan,

I agree with your thinking--if Danny's moving up neither Rivers nor Sullinger is at the top of my list.

I'm not sure that even putting his two 1sts together he can get to PJ3, but I think he might be able to haul in Tyler Zeller for that.

If he's only using the 2nd rounder to bump up a few, then I could see it being (more likely) a wing player (or Teague) that he really likes, or (less likely) a big like Moultrie, Leonard or Nicholson that he specifically thought would be gone before the 21st pick.

[Smartacus]

I hear you my friend in that the 21st and 22nd does not get you PJIII.

I should have been more clear in that it would take a very specific trade scenario to bring in the man, so here goes...

Brandon Bass(possible s an t if he opts out) + Pick #21 for Filler(Gustavo Ayon?) + #7(assuming that where the lottery takes them)

Brandon Bass goes home to Louisiana where he and Carl Landry would form a mean 2 headed monster at PF. With #21 they could take someone like Tony Wroten or less likely Dion Waiters.


Not sure that they would do this particular trade but I feel like something along these lines may be out there given PJIII's  bust potential and the depth of the post loto picks.

[ManUp]

Welcome to the blog Soul Jax.

I think you'll enjoy the forums just stick around.

I'd pick PJIII I think he'll be at the very least better than Anthony Randolph. If he really has a bad motor that will keep him from being great, but I think he's a starter at the very least. Tyler Zeller is what he is and isn't going to be much more than a role player I'd pass. John Henson is the Tar heel we should want.

[Who]

Not interested in Perry Jones in the lottery. If he slipped into the 16-20 range and it didn't cost too much to move up from one of the first rounders, I'd do that. But I wouldn't be willing to pay much more for him.

I think he projects more as an average PF than a star PF ... and that the chances of him becoming a star PF are too small (read: too unlikely) to warrant a riskier trade.

I'm one of those people who is more interested in Jared Sullinger. Much more interested. I think Sullinger has a high probability of being an above average PF with a better likelihood (than PJ3) of becoming a star PF.

[Smartacus]

Thanks for the response from ou both, ManUp your definitively one of the lurker celebrities, so thanks for the kind words.

Going to have to agree with you on Zeller. Aside from coast to coast transition finishing where I admit he would excel beside Rondo, Zeller falls way down on my list of big man prospects. I see a PF playing center that as you said is what he is.

Henson on this team would be an extremely interesting case. The kid has  goofy nature but has shown improvement every year and was probably a top 3ish defender in college basketball this year.

He could learn a ton from KG... but would he? Would KG break him? KG can either work with kids or he wont. Henson's laissez faire attitude might just make him end up in the KG dog house and could in fact stunt his development, especially having to compete with JJJ for minutes(another reason why I like trading bass would be the time opened up for Johnson)

[Smartacus]

Don't Get me wrong Who I think that Sullinger would be a tremendous PF or C prospect but I felt his lack all star potential was exposed in the game against Kansas.

Jeff Withy, a 7 foot shot blocker that would be below average at the NBA level ate his lunch on a bunch of those plays, which gave me disturbing BBD flashbacks. PJIII's ceiling IMO is worlds above Sullingers who I feel, like Zeller, is what he is.

[Who]

PJIII's ceiling IMO is worlds above Sullingers who I feel

I agree, I just think he is too unlikely to get there.

I also think Sullinger's likelihood of being something in between an average PF and that best case scenario PJ3 ceiling (high level star PF) is much higher than PJ3's corresponding likelihoods.

Less risk, less high level reward but greater likelihood of good to very good reward ... is how I see the two of them.

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Said differently -- note: very little thought into these percentages but just to give an idea of what I am trying to say

#1 High level star (All-Pro) = PJ3 2-3%, Sullinger 0%

#2 Low level star (borderline All-Star to notch below All-Star level) = PJ3 3-4%, Sullinger 10+%

#3 Middle of the pack starter = PJ3 5%, Sullinger 25%

#4 Above average PF (low level starter, high level backup) = 45% PJ3, 80% Sullinger

#5 Average rotation PF = 95% PJ3, 95% Sullinger

[Smartacus]

Thanks for the breakdown Who, very interesting analysis.

I cant say that I disagree with what your saying. The intangibles of Sullinger, especially being that he is a well spoken coach's son are hard to ignore.

I suppose where I like Jones III is that I think his production will increase in the NBA where as I think Sullingers will decrease. I do see your point though that Sullinger will not decrease much, and Jones III would need a meteoric rise in production to reach even Sullinger's level and to surpass him would be a tall order.

To me us taking Perry would be similar to the Spurs taking Kahwaii Leonard. If anyone can unleash Jones III's potental it would be us. Our veteran led group and Rondo feeding him good looks could be just what the doctor ordered to find this diamond in the rough.

[Celtics4ever]

Sullinger is not very athletic, I think he could be a bust.  Jones is a good athlete but he looked bad against most good teams.  I don't think he is worth trading up for.

[rondohondo]

Sullinger is not very athletic, I think he could be a bust.  Jones is a good athlete but he looked bad against most good teams.  I don't think he is worth trading up for.

sullinger's ceiling is somewhere betwen BBD and David West I think . Could be a solid 7th or 8th man or a fringe all-star type player if he can develop a consistent face up game to go with his back to the basket game .

[vgulab]

Big fan of PJ3 potential. But from what i read PJ3 is a very nice kid and remind me of A.Bradley and how he had tough times at the start and PJ3 will sucseed only if he end up in the right organization. With a mentor like KG he will not fail. The problem is he won't slip below 15, but i would trade up for him.

Another prospects i'm interested:

John Henson - he could be taller version of Faried. Rebounding defense blocks but not a good shooter. He is projected top 10 on some mock drafts but i think he can slip and he might be availible.

Moe Harkless - he should be selected around 20th pick. Scoring wing with good size good shooting and he can develop a good isolation game and became a big time scorer.

Tony Wroten -combo guard reminds me of R.Stuckey. 6'5' strong body with good ball handling skills but he has size to also be a SG plus he can play defense. In 2 years sounds like a really good 6th player backing up Rondo and Bradley.

Jared Sullinger - no doubt that he will at least became a starting caliber PF in the league and posible and allstar. Great offensive game, great rebounder, know how to score in the post but we shouldn't trade up for him because he doesn't fit the team. Celtics will start rebuilding with Rondo and guys who will run with Rondo, so in that running team Sulinger is not a good fit.

Bradley Beal - i had to mention him. I think this guy will be a star he has all the tools i will not write a lot about him because it's almost imposible to get him but remember my words Bradley Beal is going to be a star

Terrence Jones - he will not be a star but he will be a solid player who reminds of Jeff Green. Very atheltic wing who can be a good fit with Rondo

Best case scenario 2 of these guys Henson,Harkless,Wroten

[clover]

I think if Danny moves up in the draft he's got to be going for a starter, and as long as Rondo's on the team he doesn't want to be adding a 21yo who shoots 51% from the line--as Henson does.

[rondohondo]

Myeres Leonard should be a target if moving up to around 15. Big man with very good athleticism and pretty good foot work and size. Could potentially be a top 10 center in the league IMO

[Who]

Myeres Leonard should be a target if moving up to around 15. Big man with very good athleticism and pretty good foot work and size. Could potentially be a top 10 center in the league IMO

Yeah, me too. A lot of raw talent there that could be molded into a strong starting center. He's the player I am most interested in.