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Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2012, 12:20:58 PM »

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Its becoming monotonous these days, LeBron winning MVP.

Durrant had a better regular season record, was the scoring champ, he also had more rebounds and steals and I genuinely think that Durrant will go further in the playoffs.

Who's in charge here?

Rhetorical question?

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2012, 12:26:26 PM »

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The only MVP award that matters is for Finals MVP.  I hope Pierce gets his second, but I won't **** too much if if goes to KG or Rondo.   8)

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2012, 12:49:07 PM »

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LeBron has been the absolute best player in the league for the past 4 years. He deserved last year's MVP and he deserves this year's MVP.

I just hope the Celtics turn him into this generation's Wilt Chamberlain. All the talent and individual awards, none of the rings.

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2012, 01:44:47 PM »

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  Obviously an aside, but on nba.com, where they actually announce the award winners, they have an article that states there are reports that LeBron will win the title. Somewhat amusing IMO.

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durrant snubbed imo)
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2012, 01:55:17 PM »

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Lebron is a much more complete offensive player and on the defensive end there is no comparison.  Lebron is the best player in the NBA so I have no problem with him winning the MVP.

There's definitely a comparison defensively.  In fact, statistically Durant was a better defender this year:

* Durant held opponents overall to fewer points per possession
* Durant held opponents to a lower FG%
* Durant held opponents to a lower 3PT%
* Durant was better on isolation plays, post-ups, and spot-ups

So, Durant's defense was, at minimum, every bit as good as Lebron's, and based upon evidence, was actually better. 

Those kind of defensive stats are misleading.

Really, does anyone ACTUALLY think Durant is better than LeBron?  Especially on defense?  If you actually watch them both play defense, it's not even close.  LeBron is in the mix for defensive player of the year (I think he should have gotten it) and Durant was not.  I think that says enough.  There's not some magic to Durant's defense no one is seeing and that just comes through in the stats.  He's become a pretty good defender, don't get me wrong, but he's not in LeBron's league.

LeBron should have won the MVP last year too.  I figure a lot of people on this board, as Celtics fans, should appreciate more than stats and especially scoring numbers.  That's the stupid logic that let Rose win when he was a poor defender last year.  That's half the game.

I understand if you guys don't like LeBron as a person and how he carries himself, but you can't deny how good he is.  It sounds silly.
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Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2012, 02:04:50 PM »

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i dislike james...but he was the MVP this season

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2012, 02:11:43 PM »

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This was never even a contest. Durant was not even in the same class as Lebron this year.

To me the best players in the NBA:
Lebron
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Durant
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Everyone else

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durrant snubbed imo)
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2012, 03:01:32 PM »

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Lebron is a much more complete offensive player and on the defensive end there is no comparison.  Lebron is the best player in the NBA so I have no problem with him winning the MVP.

There's definitely a comparison defensively.  In fact, statistically Durant was a better defender this year:

* Durant held opponents overall to fewer points per possession
* Durant held opponents to a lower FG%
* Durant held opponents to a lower 3PT%
* Durant was better on isolation plays, post-ups, and spot-ups

So, Durant's defense was, at minimum, every bit as good as Lebron's, and based upon evidence, was actually better. 

Those kind of defensive stats are misleading.

Really, does anyone ACTUALLY think Durant is better than LeBron?  Especially on defense?  If you actually watch them both play defense, it's not even close.  LeBron is in the mix for defensive player of the year (I think he should have gotten it) and Durant was not.  I think that says enough.  There's not some magic to Durant's defense no one is seeing and that just comes through in the stats.  He's become a pretty good defender, don't get me wrong, but he's not in LeBron's league.

LeBron should have won the MVP last year too.  I figure a lot of people on this board, as Celtics fans, should appreciate more than stats and especially scoring numbers.  That's the stupid logic that let Rose win when he was a poor defender last year.  That's half the game.

I understand if you guys don't like LeBron as a person and how he carries himself, but you can't deny how good he is.  It sounds silly.

I doubt anybody denies how good the messiah is.

The problem, Snakehead, is that the playing field is not level.  So to compare his defense to Durant's is futile.  

The messiah is the most physically gifted player in NBA history.  Maybe in the history of sports.

But it'd be hard for anybody to make a case that he's not officiated completely differently than anybody else in the NBA.  He doesn't need the help but that obviously doesn't matter to David Stern.  Since we're comparing his defense to Durants....  Defensively, he gets away with the same things Jordan did.  Particularly late in games.  Durant doesn't.  The fact that the messiah also safely assumes that he will never be fouled out of any game allows him to play with an aggression that nobody else can.  Do you actually think somebody who plays with his abandon could possibly average less than 3 fouls per game if he was officiated by the book?  

Take away the advantage he has just because he is officiated differently...And he probably works a little harder and gets to the same place defensively that you perceive he's at now.  But the messiah's defense is essentially better than average...Mixed in with a couple of hacks or barreling through somebody into the passing lane leading to spectacular dunks.  But to come to the conclusion that the messiah is a lockdown defender..You must be watching only ESPN highlights and not his games in their nauseating entirety.  There's no magic to the messiah's defense without the advantages.

Is Durant the better player?  No.  But take away the advantages only the messiah gets and it's a lot closer.  

LeBron has been the absolute best player in the league for the past 4 years. He deserved last year's MVP and he deserves this year's MVP.

I just hope the Celtics turn him into this generation's Wilt Chamberlain. All the talent and individual awards, none of the rings.

There's a reason why it's been like that so far.  Stern actually tightens the officiating when he thinks everybody is watching.  

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2012, 03:59:12 PM »

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A junior varsity type award for a junior varsity type of guy.  Good for him

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2012, 05:45:04 PM »

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I heard a report that Rondo finished 8th in the balloting for MVP.

So maybe the voters are to dumb afterall. ;D

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2012, 06:07:28 PM »

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I heard a report that Rondo finished 8th in the balloting for MVP.

So maybe the voters are to dumb afterall. ;D

They were mesmerized by the Triple Doubles.


Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durrant snubbed imo)
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2012, 06:19:59 PM »

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Lebron is a much more complete offensive player and on the defensive end there is no comparison.  Lebron is the best player in the NBA so I have no problem with him winning the MVP.

There's definitely a comparison defensively.  In fact, statistically Durant was a better defender this year:

* Durant held opponents overall to fewer points per possession
* Durant held opponents to a lower FG%
* Durant held opponents to a lower 3PT%
* Durant was better on isolation plays, post-ups, and spot-ups

So, Durant's defense was, at minimum, every bit as good as Lebron's, and based upon evidence, was actually better. 

Those kind of defensive stats are misleading.

Really, does anyone ACTUALLY think Durant is better than LeBron?  Especially on defense?  If you actually watch them both play defense, it's not even close.  LeBron is in the mix for defensive player of the year (I think he should have gotten it) and Durant was not.  I think that says enough.  There's not some magic to Durant's defense no one is seeing and that just comes through in the stats.  He's become a pretty good defender, don't get me wrong, but he's not in LeBron's league.

LeBron should have won the MVP last year too.  I figure a lot of people on this board, as Celtics fans, should appreciate more than stats and especially scoring numbers.  That's the stupid logic that let Rose win when he was a poor defender last year.  That's half the game.

I understand if you guys don't like LeBron as a person and how he carries himself, but you can't deny how good he is.  It sounds silly.

I doubt anybody denies how good the messiah is.

The problem, Snakehead, is that the playing field is not level.  So to compare his defense to Durant's is futile. 

The messiah is the most physically gifted player in NBA history.  Maybe in the history of sports.

But it'd be hard for anybody to make a case that he's not officiated completely differently than anybody else in the NBA.  He doesn't need the help but that obviously doesn't matter to David Stern.  Since we're comparing his defense to Durants....  Defensively, he gets away with the same things Jordan did.  Particularly late in games.  Durant doesn't.  The fact that the messiah also safely assumes that he will never be fouled out of any game allows him to play with an aggression that nobody else can.  Do you actually think somebody who plays with his abandon could possibly average less than 3 fouls per game if he was officiated by the book? 

Take away the advantage he has just because he is officiated differently...And he probably works a little harder and gets to the same place defensively that you perceive he's at now.  But the messiah's defense is essentially better than average...Mixed in with a couple of hacks or barreling through somebody into the passing lane leading to spectacular dunks.  But to come to the conclusion that the messiah is a lockdown defender..You must be watching only ESPN highlights and not his games in their nauseating entirety.  There's no magic to the messiah's defense without the advantages.

Is Durant the better player?  No.  But take away the advantages only the messiah gets and it's a lot closer. 


No, I watch the games.  If you want to talk offense, you can.  He gets superstar calls, but so do superstars.  I don't really agree with how that's treated but it's the game and how it has been since the Jordan era.  I will say though, that LeBron does take quite a lot of contact.  He is so strong that it doesn't knock him over but a lot of other players would hit the deck.  He does initiate contact a lot but so do guys like Rose and CP3.  That's just how the game is called.

As far as defense, I don't know what you're talking about at all.  Again, I watch the games.  He plays defense no more physically than someone like KG plays defense.  If you want him to be less physical then I guess you want to neuter the game and the defenders ability to defend.  I'm not in favor of that.  Contrary to some people's opinions, it is a contact sport.

Bottom line: if you think he is an average defender you're just wrong.  He is the best wing defender in the league and is also very versatile. 

If you want to talk about him getting calls on offense, fine, but if you are going to say he also gets defensive calls you are just trying to rob him of his accomplishments.  Seems pretty probable with your whole "messiah" thing.  Just give the dude some credit, even if you don't like him.
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Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2012, 07:47:31 PM »

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Well deserved. I think Lebron is the best player, and very important player, talking about single skills. Beoing 3 times MVP in last 4 years is one side of the fact. But he did not get any ring yet, no championship, tells something different from well deserved MVP. So, in Finals, he have to be more importnat player for MIAMI in order to deserve meanfully MVP title...

Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2012, 09:03:27 PM »

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I heard a report that Rondo finished 8th in the balloting for MVP.

So maybe the voters are to dumb afterall. ;D

They were mesmerized by the Triple Doubles.



Eighth sounds about right to me.
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Re: Who votes for MVP? (Durant snubbed imo)
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2012, 09:06:16 PM »

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i think you could have flipped a coin between lbj and durant. both can make a strong case why they deserved it over the other. neither would be "snubbed" bc the other was deserving.