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Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« on: May 11, 2012, 02:42:23 AM »

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Pau Gasol salary $18 million this year.

1/10 for 3 points 3 rebounds in a close out game where they lose by 30.

Would you still trade a young fringe superstar point guard for a well past his prime Gasol?

I wouldnt, im glad that "rumored" trade never happened. Danny would get crucified.
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Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 03:12:34 AM »

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no. this trade makes no sense.

we have 10 years left of the best point guard in the game   or 3-4 years of pau gasol?

gasol isnt who he used to be.

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 03:16:07 AM »

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no. this trade makes no sense.

we have 10 years left of the best point guard in the game   or 3-4 years of pau gasol?

gasol isnt who he used to be.

Gasol is finished. Hes putting up 12 and 8 this series. Kenneth Faried the 19 year old rookie is dominating him, and hes coming off the bench.
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2012, 03:18:16 AM »

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no. this trade makes no sense.

we have 10 years left of the best point guard in the game   or 3-4 years of pau gasol?

gasol isnt who he used to be.

Gasol is finished. Hes putting up 12 and 8 this series. Kenneth Faried the 19 year old rookie is dominating him, and hes coming off the bench.
mcgee is killing them too

Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2012, 03:27:23 AM »

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we simply don't know what the team would look like with Gasol.  You can't point to the Lakers collapse and necessarily point the blame at Gasol.  Two entirely different systems.  Gasol is 4 years younger than KG... 7 feet 250 pounds.  His role changes with Bynum out there.  I remember when the guy started at center last November (with Bynum out) and averaged 20 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks and 54% shooting even with Kobe jacking the ball.  He's still capable of that.  Lakers are just poorly coached.  

Currently our players compliment Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses just about perfectly.  Ray will constantly demand attention (often double teams) and spreads the floor.  Pierce is a dynamic scorer who can do anything and will ALWAYS demand attention.  Both KG and Bass get their offense on mid-range jump shots and they both knock them down as well as any "big men" in the game.  The fact that they get their offense on mid range shots as opposed to interior post play means that they suck big men defenders out of the paint (usually) and it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for layups as well as gives him 4 offensive weapons to kick the ball to.  This makes Rondo's job getting assists a heck of a lot easier, but it also covers up for his blatant weakness... the fact that he has an almost non-existent range.  Yes, I get that he occasionally knocks down shots (and has knocked down some in the playoffs), but for the most part he's still well below average shooting the ball.  This season's field goal percentages:  at rim = 58.9% (league average is 62.6%) his 3-9 feet is 26% (league average is 37.5%) his 10-15 feet is 27.8% (league average is 38.3%) his eFG% from three is 35.7% (league average is 52.3%) ... Defenders still slack off Rondo which allows him to see the court better, but this simply would NOT be the case if he didn't have such capable shooters surrounding him.  Pulling bigs out of the paint is a benefit in that it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for the only shots he can make consistently... at rim floaters and layups.  

Atlanta isn't a great team.  But the fact remains that the second Horford stepped into this series, the Celtics were in trouble... in more trouble than anyone wants to let on.  Reason being, our team still is "undersized".  Bass is a 6'8 "big man" who is well below average rebounding the ball.  KG is playing out of position at center and playing extremely well there.  The move to center actually singlehandedly saved our season.  Prior to the move, we had Jermaine O'Neal's corpse (copyright Bill Simmons) starting at center and he was freakin dreadful.  I had said all season that either a starting center needed to "fall out of the sky" or we were toast.  KG moving to center surprisingly gave us new life, but it meant that Bass (whose main strength is that aforementioned ability to hit mid-range shots and free up the paint for penetration) was starting at forward.  This small ball basketball that had been helping us win got exposed as soon as Horford joined this series.  Suddenly Horford and Smith were dominating on the boards getting multiple second chance opportunities, causing havoc inside with their interior defense and really making this series closer than it should have been.  I swear that if Horford had been 100% for the full series (as opposed to 60% or whatever he is right now), we might not have pulled out a series win.  Dangerous series and we snuck out alive.  If you're in denial about how HOrford exposed our weakness... all I need to do is point out that Ryan Hollins was playing down the stretch tonight.  Why the FLIP do you think Hollins was in the game?... he's our only legit 7 footer.  Scary, scary series.  So glad we didn't go to game 7.

So you have to factor in all of that to understand how Pau Gasol MIGHT have theoretically transformed this team.  He presumably would play center next to KG.  Suddenly our main weakness (size) becomes our main strength.  Don't judge what Gasol is doing by his poorly coached performance tonight.  For the season he averaged 18 points, 10.4 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.4 blocks on 50% shooting... and he did all this while Andrew Bynum was blossoming as a dominant center and Kobe Bryant continued to take 25 shots a night.  Fact is, both Bynum AND Gasol are two of the top 5 big men in the game at this point (if the Lakers ever realize what a strength they have with these guys... they will win the title.  No joke).  Adding Gasol means you go big with two legit 7 footers causing havoc inside.  Atlanta would have posed no problem at all for us, frankly.  

Also keep in mind that Paul Pierce has proven time-and-time again that he's more than comfortable letting the ball flow through him while Rondo is out.  In games this season with Rondo sitting:  

1/20 (LOSS) 12 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks
1/22 (Win) 34 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds, 3 steals
1/23 (win) 19 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds
1/26 (win) 24 points, 10 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 block
1/27 (win) 28 points, 8 assists, 10 rebounds, 3 steals,2  blocks
1/29 (loss) 18 points, 5 assists, 6 rebounds
1/31 (win) 20 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals
2/1 (win) 17 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block
4/18 (win) 29 points, 14 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Now keep in mind this is when you completely take Rondo out of the equation and ask Pierce to carry the load.  It's important to note that in the games when Rondo was OUT, I noticed we seemed to feed Kevin Garnett a lot more in the post.  This is probably because we don't need to keep the post open for Rondo.  So it's fair to say that Pierce couldn't carry that kind of load for a full season, but ask yourself this... what if Pierce was controlling the ball and half our possessions involved feeding Gasol (and KG) on the low post?  That's a lot different.    Theoretically (if there were no follow-up moves), we'd be starting Bradley at PG ... which doesn't mean Bradley would have to be Rondo.  The fact is, starting Bradley at PG would provide an instant upgrade shooting the ball (since anyone in Rondo's place is by default a better shooter)... so you're lineup would look like this:

PG - Bradley
SG - Ray Allen
SF - Pierce
PF - Kevin Garnett
C - Pau Gasol

but our offense would look NOTHING like it does now.  Ball probably flows through Pierce... lots of feeding the post (both to KG and Pau)... better rebounding... better shooting... better interior defense...

Would it work?  Dunno.  But I wouldn't dismiss it outright.  Big men win playoff games.  I could see the logic behind it (even if the whole thing was a garbage rumor from the start)...
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Just a horrible idea ... this makes no sense for us at all, though the Lakers would be drooling. Point Guard of the future for soon-to-be over-the-hill, ageing, inconsistent player who could never take over a primary "leadership" position. Ugh.
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Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2012, 03:51:27 AM »

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Tell ya what... I already posted my "long" form.  Now i'll post my short.

I'll say hypothetically we traded Rondo for Pau during those rumors.  Then I'll say we had a follow-up trade of Brandon Bass for another guard.  For the sake of this hypothetical I'll say we traded Bass back to Orlando for JJ Reddick.

That would make us favorites to win the title if you ask me.  Totally different team.  Pierce controls the ball on offense... lots of feeding Gasol and KG inside.  Nobody can match our size.  Rebounding vastly improved.  Interior defense vastly improved.  Interior scoring vastly improved.  Shooting vastly improved.  Title favorites.  

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2012, 04:07:18 AM »

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Tell ya what... I already posted my "long" form.  Now i'll post my short.

I'll say hypothetically we traded Rondo for Pau during those rumors.  Then I'll say we had a follow-up trade of Brandon Bass for another guard.  For the sake of this hypothetical I'll say we traded Bass back to Orlando for JJ Reddick.

That would make us favorites to win the title if you ask me.  Totally different team.  Pierce controls the ball on offense... lots of feeding Gasol and KG inside.  Nobody can match our size.  Rebounding vastly improved.  Interior defense vastly improved.  Interior scoring vastly improved.  Shooting vastly improved.  Title favorites.  
Sorry, but this still leaves us with no leader for the future, (though Pierce could obviously step into that role again, very temporarily) ... and nowhere near the same ball movement or ability to run the floor, (far from favorites for the title).

Rondo is already the third best PG in the league, and will be even more explosive as the tandem with Bradley develops in the years to come.

Redick is a great sixth-star type player, but will never be the floor leader and facilitator that Rajon is.

No thanks ... would never do this trade.
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Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2012, 04:16:36 AM »

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Tell ya what... I already posted my "long" form.  Now i'll post my short.

I'll say hypothetically we traded Rondo for Pau during those rumors.  Then I'll say we had a follow-up trade of Brandon Bass for another guard.  For the sake of this hypothetical I'll say we traded Bass back to Orlando for JJ Reddick.

That would make us favorites to win the title if you ask me.  Totally different team.  Pierce controls the ball on offense... lots of feeding Gasol and KG inside.  Nobody can match our size.  Rebounding vastly improved.  Interior defense vastly improved.  Interior scoring vastly improved.  Shooting vastly improved.  Title favorites.  
Sorry, but this still leaves us with no leader for the future, (though Pierce could obviously step into that role again, very temporarily) ... and nowhere near the same ball movement or ability to run the floor, (far from favorites for the title).

Rondo is already the third best PG in the league, and will be even more explosive as the tandem with Bradley develops in the years to come.

Redick is a great sixth-star type player, but will never be the floor leader and facilitator that Rajon is.

No thanks ... would never do this trade.
Not going into the long-term impact of it.  Just saying short-term it would make us the favorites.  Like I said... our offense would be completely different.  Ball would flow through Pierce.  Lots of dropping it inside.  Better shooters surrounding our dominant big men.   Offseason could go a billion different ways.  Maybe they re-sign Ray and KG... sign Steve Nash and head into 2012-13 as the All-Elderly squad.  *Shrug*   Extend them all for 2 years to line up with Pierce... win two more titles and attack free agency when they all fall off the books.  By then Rondo would be pushing 30 anyways.  Too many hypotheticals ;)

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fans don't realise to trade for future production not past production, gasol is on the decline no thanks.

Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2012, 06:47:40 AM »

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Currently our players compliment Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses just about perfectly.  Ray will constantly demand attention (often double teams) and spreads the floor.  Pierce is a dynamic scorer who can do anything and will ALWAYS demand attention.  Both KG and Bass get their offense on mid-range jump shots and they both knock them down as well as any "big men" in the game.  The fact that they get their offense on mid range shots as opposed to interior post play means that they suck big men defenders out of the paint (usually) and it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for layups as well as gives him 4 offensive weapons to kick the ball to.  This makes Rondo's job getting assists a heck of a lot easier, but it also covers up for his blatant weakness... the fact that he has an almost non-existent range.  Yes, I get that he occasionally knocks down shots (and has knocked down some in the playoffs), but for the most part he's still well below average shooting the ball.  This season's field goal percentages:  at rim = 58.9% (league average is 62.6%) his 3-9 feet is 26% (league average is 37.5%) his 10-15 feet is 27.8% (league average is 38.3%) his eFG% from three is 35.7% (league average is 52.3%) ... Defenders still slack off Rondo which allows him to see the court better, but this simply would NOT be the case if he didn't have such capable shooters surrounding him.  Pulling bigs out of the paint is a benefit in that it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for the only shots he can make consistently... at rim floaters and layups.   

Also keep in mind that Paul Pierce has proven time-and-time again that he's more than comfortable letting the ball flow through him while Rondo is out.  In games this season with Rondo sitting:  

1/20 (LOSS) 12 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks
1/22 (Win) 34 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds, 3 steals
1/23 (win) 19 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds
1/26 (win) 24 points, 10 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 block
1/27 (win) 28 points, 8 assists, 10 rebounds, 3 steals,2  blocks
1/29 (loss) 18 points, 5 assists, 6 rebounds
1/31 (win) 20 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals
2/1 (win) 17 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block
4/18 (win) 29 points, 14 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Now keep in mind this is when you completely take Rondo out of the equation and ask Pierce to carry the load.  It's important to note that in the games when Rondo was OUT, I noticed we seemed to feed Kevin Garnett a lot more in the post.  This is probably because we don't need to keep the post open for Rondo.  So it's fair to say that Pierce couldn't carry that kind of load for a full season, but ask yourself this... what if Pierce was controlling the ball and half our possessions involved feeding Gasol (and KG) on the low post?  That's a lot different.

  That's fairly compelling, but almost everything in it is wrong.

  For starters, KG on the outside isn't a strategy to maximize Rondo's talents. Doc always asks KG to play down low more, and talks about it a lot. It's also true that we've had a lot of success on offense with Shaq down low, and even with Perk, neither of whom pull defenders out of the paint. You also claim that we fed KG a lot more in the post when Rondo was out and PP was running the offense, of course there's no evidence that happened (unless you have some...).

  And, while you love to bring up the fact that PP puts up better stats when he dominates the ball on offense, it's still true that the *team's* offense is worse when that happens. For the Hawks series, the team's ORtg was 3 points better with PP in the game than on the bench, 18 points better when Rondo played. We averaged 22 assists and 11 turnovers a game with Rondo on the court, 14 assists and 16 turnovers when he was on the bench.

Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2012, 02:41:18 PM »

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Currently our players compliment Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses just about perfectly.  Ray will constantly demand attention (often double teams) and spreads the floor.  Pierce is a dynamic scorer who can do anything and will ALWAYS demand attention.  Both KG and Bass get their offense on mid-range jump shots and they both knock them down as well as any "big men" in the game.  The fact that they get their offense on mid range shots as opposed to interior post play means that they suck big men defenders out of the paint (usually) and it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for layups as well as gives him 4 offensive weapons to kick the ball to.  This makes Rondo's job getting assists a heck of a lot easier, but it also covers up for his blatant weakness... the fact that he has an almost non-existent range.  Yes, I get that he occasionally knocks down shots (and has knocked down some in the playoffs), but for the most part he's still well below average shooting the ball.  This season's field goal percentages:  at rim = 58.9% (league average is 62.6%) his 3-9 feet is 26% (league average is 37.5%) his 10-15 feet is 27.8% (league average is 38.3%) his eFG% from three is 35.7% (league average is 52.3%) ... Defenders still slack off Rondo which allows him to see the court better, but this simply would NOT be the case if he didn't have such capable shooters surrounding him.  Pulling bigs out of the paint is a benefit in that it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for the only shots he can make consistently... at rim floaters and layups.   

Also keep in mind that Paul Pierce has proven time-and-time again that he's more than comfortable letting the ball flow through him while Rondo is out.  In games this season with Rondo sitting: 

1/20 (LOSS) 12 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks
1/22 (Win) 34 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds, 3 steals
1/23 (win) 19 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds
1/26 (win) 24 points, 10 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 block
1/27 (win) 28 points, 8 assists, 10 rebounds, 3 steals,2  blocks
1/29 (loss) 18 points, 5 assists, 6 rebounds
1/31 (win) 20 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals
2/1 (win) 17 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block
4/18 (win) 29 points, 14 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Now keep in mind this is when you completely take Rondo out of the equation and ask Pierce to carry the load.  It's important to note that in the games when Rondo was OUT, I noticed we seemed to feed Kevin Garnett a lot more in the post.  This is probably because we don't need to keep the post open for Rondo.  So it's fair to say that Pierce couldn't carry that kind of load for a full season, but ask yourself this... what if Pierce was controlling the ball and half our possessions involved feeding Gasol (and KG) on the low post?  That's a lot different.

  That's fairly compelling, but almost everything in it is wrong.

  For starters, KG on the outside isn't a strategy to maximize Rondo's talents. Doc always asks KG to play down low more, and talks about it a lot. It's also true that we've had a lot of success on offense with Shaq down low, and even with Perk, neither of whom pull defenders out of the paint. You also claim that we fed KG a lot more in the post when Rondo was out and PP was running the offense, of course there's no evidence that happened (unless you have some...).

  And, while you love to bring up the fact that PP puts up better stats when he dominates the ball on offense, it's still true that the *team's* offense is worse when that happens. For the Hawks series, the team's ORtg was 3 points better with PP in the game than on the bench, 18 points better when Rondo played. We averaged 22 assists and 11 turnovers a game with Rondo on the court, 14 assists and 16 turnovers when he was on the bench.
Clearly our offense is better when Rondo is in there... seeing as our offense is built around Rondo's strengths and weaknesses and Rondo is our 3rd best player.  If our offense wasn't slightly worse without our 3rd best player... I'd be extremely confused.

Our offense with Pau Gasol would be built completely different.  So I'm not really feelin your point, bro.

Point I was making is that we cope fine without Rondo.  We have a winning record when Rondo sits out.  So imagine replacing Rondo with Gasol... I could see it making us a better team all around.  We're 22-13 when we completely subtract Rondo from the equation.  How much better would that 22-13 team be with a top 5 big man named Pau Gasol in the lineup as well and a system built around our new strengths and weaknesses?  Yup.
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Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
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Currently our players compliment Rondo's strengths AND weaknesses just about perfectly.  Ray will constantly demand attention (often double teams) and spreads the floor.  Pierce is a dynamic scorer who can do anything and will ALWAYS demand attention.  Both KG and Bass get their offense on mid-range jump shots and they both knock them down as well as any "big men" in the game.  The fact that they get their offense on mid range shots as opposed to interior post play means that they suck big men defenders out of the paint (usually) and it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for layups as well as gives him 4 offensive weapons to kick the ball to.  This makes Rondo's job getting assists a heck of a lot easier, but it also covers up for his blatant weakness... the fact that he has an almost non-existent range.  Yes, I get that he occasionally knocks down shots (and has knocked down some in the playoffs), but for the most part he's still well below average shooting the ball.  This season's field goal percentages:  at rim = 58.9% (league average is 62.6%) his 3-9 feet is 26% (league average is 37.5%) his 10-15 feet is 27.8% (league average is 38.3%) his eFG% from three is 35.7% (league average is 52.3%) ... Defenders still slack off Rondo which allows him to see the court better, but this simply would NOT be the case if he didn't have such capable shooters surrounding him.  Pulling bigs out of the paint is a benefit in that it allows Rondo to penetrate inside for the only shots he can make consistently... at rim floaters and layups.   

Also keep in mind that Paul Pierce has proven time-and-time again that he's more than comfortable letting the ball flow through him while Rondo is out.  In games this season with Rondo sitting: 

1/20 (LOSS) 12 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks
1/22 (Win) 34 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds, 3 steals
1/23 (win) 19 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds
1/26 (win) 24 points, 10 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 block
1/27 (win) 28 points, 8 assists, 10 rebounds, 3 steals,2  blocks
1/29 (loss) 18 points, 5 assists, 6 rebounds
1/31 (win) 20 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals
2/1 (win) 17 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block
4/18 (win) 29 points, 14 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Now keep in mind this is when you completely take Rondo out of the equation and ask Pierce to carry the load.  It's important to note that in the games when Rondo was OUT, I noticed we seemed to feed Kevin Garnett a lot more in the post.  This is probably because we don't need to keep the post open for Rondo.  So it's fair to say that Pierce couldn't carry that kind of load for a full season, but ask yourself this... what if Pierce was controlling the ball and half our possessions involved feeding Gasol (and KG) on the low post?  That's a lot different.

  That's fairly compelling, but almost everything in it is wrong.

  For starters, KG on the outside isn't a strategy to maximize Rondo's talents. Doc always asks KG to play down low more, and talks about it a lot. It's also true that we've had a lot of success on offense with Shaq down low, and even with Perk, neither of whom pull defenders out of the paint. You also claim that we fed KG a lot more in the post when Rondo was out and PP was running the offense, of course there's no evidence that happened (unless you have some...).

  And, while you love to bring up the fact that PP puts up better stats when he dominates the ball on offense, it's still true that the *team's* offense is worse when that happens. For the Hawks series, the team's ORtg was 3 points better with PP in the game than on the bench, 18 points better when Rondo played. We averaged 22 assists and 11 turnovers a game with Rondo on the court, 14 assists and 16 turnovers when he was on the bench.
Clearly our offense is better when Rondo is in there... seeing as our offense is built around Rondo's strengths and weaknesses and Rondo is our 3rd best player.  If our offense wasn't slightly worse without our 3rd best player... I'd be extremely confused.

Our offense with Pau Gasol would be built completely different.  So I'm not really feelin your point, bro.

  Our offense isn't built around Rondo's strengths and weaksnesses. You keep saying that but it's not the case. In fact it's likely that the offense (and Rondo) would do better with other players. Likewise it's not the case that he's our third best player. That would be Pierce.

Point I was making is that we cope fine without Rondo.  We have a winning record when Rondo sits out.  So imagine replacing Rondo with Gasol... I could see it making us a better team all around.  We're 22-13 when we completely subtract Rondo from the equation.  How much better would that 22-13 team be with a top 5 big man named Pau Gasol in the lineup as well and a system built around our new strengths and weaknesses?  Yup.

  We have had roughly the same winning percentage over the last 5 years without KG that we've had without Rondo. Does that mean that we'd be a better team during the big three era if we'd traded KG for, say, a better shooting guard or a different center?

Re: Rondo for Pau Gasol trade revisited
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2012, 05:29:56 PM »

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meh.  Fair to say that even with BballTim's opinions... we can settle on the fact that we simply don't know how this team would play with Pau Gasol.  Thread is based on a shaky premise.  We have a 22-13 record when our 3rd best player (Rondo) doesn't play.  Fair to say that if we added arguably the most talented big man in the game (Pau Gasol) to that 22-13 team... we'd improve on that 22-13 record.  :)  

My opinion:  Point guards don't win titles.  Big men do.  Rondo was a role player the year we won a title.  If we're looking at one season as a bubble... I can see the argument that we'd have a better chance of winning a title with Gasol.  Certainly not as "ha ha told you so" as this silly thread imagines.  KG and Gasol together is extremely intriguing.  Add to that Pierce, Ray and Bradley and our twin towers would have some capable shooting around them.  TOtally different team would require a totally different offensive system.  It's ridiculous to look at that team and have the immediate reaction of "Oh but who will get 11 assists without Rondo?"...  Who cares.  How often does a team win a title, because they have a inept shooter who gets 11+ assists?
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One point that never gets brought up in these discussions is the C's interest in moving Rondo was as much about his off court issues as his on court limitations.  He has clashed with teammates and coaches, had some pretty childish incidents with the refs this year, and has had a track record of this going back to UK.  I'm sure if we lost game 2 of the ATL series this thread would have taken on an entirely different tune.

Pierce is still the guy on this team that carries us on the most consistent basis.  We're only go to go as far as he takes us.