If you got Shumpert, Fields, and Lin would you take on Amare

[guava_wrench]

What is the point of adding youth into backcourt? Rondo is 26 and Bradley is 21. I don't know.
I'm not that high on any of the players mentioned. Fields lacks talent, Shumpert and Amare have hardly the strongest IQ around the league. Lin is the most level-headed one, but I'm not sold on his purple patch in one half of a condensed season. He is way too turnover prone to maneuver an offense also.  

If you're not sold on Lin because he only looked good in half of 1 shortened season, then why would you support Bradley?  Lin looked like a borderline all star for a few months, and was never considered a bust before that. Bradley just looked like a capable starter for a few months, and looked like a complete bust the year and a half prior.  Both have shown potential, but I dont think either has really proven anything.

  How is the player who *didn't* get cut from multiple teams the one who was considered a bust?

He was undrafted, so he could never be considered a bust. The only way Lin becomes a bust is if he signs a big contract.

Bradley never looked like a bust. He looked like he wasn't ready. How can you be a bust at 19 or 20 years old? I suppose if people were looking at an underwhelming performance in college they could have considered him a bust.

[Moranis]

to answer the question, Yes i would take amare. He would be a huge risk and there is no way short for trading pierce or Rondo that I can see a deal working. Giving up either would make the trade pointless.


As for the Knicks they have created a mess of a roster. Chandler is a great defensive 5. After that you have scoring first 3/4 in melo, a scoring first 4/5 in amare, and a scoring PG in Linn. That makes 3 of your top 4 players defensive liabilities who dont really create for others. To make matters worse Melo and Linn are both super popular and unlikely to be traded without major backlash from the fans. Amare is highly paid for 3 more years and a huge injury risk.

I honestly don't know where they start with cleaning up this team. But here is my shot at it

Trade Linn to Toronto (deal with the fan hate)

For Calderon and a future first (or possibly get toronto at 8 to trade down to to houston at 14 + 16, then the 14th goes to NY)

Trade Amare to option A.Detriot option B Orlando

For A. Detriot T Prince, Charlie V, and a filler

For B. Orlando S&T Ryan Anderson and H Turkoglu

both A + B involve taking on bad contracts but thats the price of shedding amare.

2013 Knicks
option A
Chandler
Melo
Prince
Shumpert
Calderon
6th JR SMith
7th Fields
8th Novak
9th Charlie V

2013 Knicks
option B

Chandler
Anderson
Melo
Shumpert
Calderon
6th JR SMith
7th Turkaglu
8th Fields
9th Novak

Neither option great but definitely better then what they have. If the calderon deal involved a 2012 first rd pick then it would give the knicks a chance to grab a good youg PF. Henson, Jones etc in the draft.


 

Is Ryan Anderson and Hedo Turkglu really that much better than Bass, Allen, and Moore?  Now I realize your trade the Knicks aren't giving up any other pieces, but Hedo is essentially worthless and Anderson may just be a one year wonder and a product of playing next to Dwight (I mean Anderson was pretty bad in the playoffs with Dwight down low to cover his short comings).

[CFAN38]

Is Ryan Anderson and Hedo Turkglu really that much better than Bass, Allen, and Moore?  Now I realize your trade the Knicks aren't giving up any other pieces, but Hedo is essentially worthless and Anderson may just be a one year wonder and a product of playing next to Dwight (I mean Anderson was pretty bad in the playoffs with Dwight down low to cover his short comings).

Ryan Anderson and Turk are probably equal to Ray Bass and Moore, with Anderson getting the bump due to age. My point was that unless bass and ray are each signed for 9mill the cap numbers wouldn't work out in trading them for amare and would NY really want to be paying each of them that much when Ray is well past his prime and Bass has reached his and is at best a 12pt 7 rb guy?

[feckless]

no

[feckless]

New York wouldn't give up Lin to move Amare in a cap dump.

Slight chance they move the other two but more likely only one of the two.

Woodson caters to the big guns and does not seem to like Lin...if Woodson gets the job expect Lin to be gone.

[Moranis]

Is Ryan Anderson and Hedo Turkglu really that much better than Bass, Allen, and Moore?  Now I realize your trade the Knicks aren't giving up any other pieces, but Hedo is essentially worthless and Anderson may just be a one year wonder and a product of playing next to Dwight (I mean Anderson was pretty bad in the playoffs with Dwight down low to cover his short comings).

Ryan Anderson and Turk are probably equal to Ray Bass and Moore, with Anderson getting the bump due to age. My point was that unless bass and ray are each signed for 9mill the cap numbers wouldn't work out in trading them for amare and would NY really want to be paying each of them that much when Ray is well past his prime and Bass has reached his and is at best a 12pt 7 rb guy?

Give Bass 2 years, 16 million and Allen 1 year, 10 million.  Seems like a better option than giving Anderson 4 years, 45 million and taking on Hedo.

[feckless]

Is Ryan Anderson and Hedo Turkglu really that much better than Bass, Allen, and Moore?  Now I realize your trade the Knicks aren't giving up any other pieces, but Hedo is essentially worthless and Anderson may just be a one year wonder and a product of playing next to Dwight (I mean Anderson was pretty bad in the playoffs with Dwight down low to cover his short comings).

Ryan Anderson and Turk are probably equal to Ray Bass and Moore, with Anderson getting the bump due to age. My point was that unless bass and ray are each signed for 9mill the cap numbers wouldn't work out in trading them for amare and would NY really want to be paying each of them that much when Ray is well past his prime and Bass has reached his and is at best a 12pt 7 rb guy?

Give Bass 2 years, 16 million and Allen 1 year, 10 million.  Seems like a better option than giving Anderson 4 years, 45 million and taking on Hedo.

i agree with what you ae saying but think all your numbers are high.  Bass and Ray top pay $6mil per Anderson maybe $7-8?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Shumpert and Fields could be nice additions. Im not sure if we'll have use for Lin but we can trade him to a PG needing team for a Center. I would be willing to take on Amare if NY would take this deal. With Bradley and Shumpert taking turns on defense. Fields is a dedicated defender to, while playing in his natural position at SF. And we could get a solid backup C for Lin.

This is a yes for me, don't matter if Amare is owed 60 mil for three years. This team, with this lineup is a contender for that 3 years.

Doubt that NY would do this though.

[guava_wrench]

Shumpert and Fields could be nice additions. Im not sure if we'll have use for Lin but we can trade him to a PG needing team for a Center. I would be willing to take on Amare if NY would take this deal. With Bradley and Shumpert taking turns on defense. Fields is a dedicated defender to, while playing in his natural position at SF. And we could get a solid backup C for Lin.

This is a yes for me, don't matter if Amare is owed 60 mil for three years. This team, with this lineup is a contender for that 3 years.

Doubt that NY would do this though.

Amare is uninsured and has had serious injuries.

That means that if he ends up like Ratliff, insurance won't pay his deal like they did for Ratliff. This means we would not be able to replace him and we would be in big trouble because the owners do not have limitless resources. He is also paid a lot.

It would be an interesting risk to take Amare and could give us an exciting team, but one with a very different character from the team we have had since 2007-08. It is not clear to me that the team would actually be a contender considering we don't know what the chemistry would be like.

We do not have Dolan's money here. $20m a year is very substantial and would limit who we could add to our roster.

[Moranis]

Shumpert and Fields could be nice additions. Im not sure if we'll have use for Lin but we can trade him to a PG needing team for a Center. I would be willing to take on Amare if NY would take this deal. With Bradley and Shumpert taking turns on defense. Fields is a dedicated defender to, while playing in his natural position at SF. And we could get a solid backup C for Lin.

This is a yes for me, don't matter if Amare is owed 60 mil for three years. This team, with this lineup is a contender for that 3 years.

Doubt that NY would do this though.

Amare is uninsured and has had serious injuries.

That means that if he ends up like Ratliff, insurance won't pay his deal like they did for Ratliff. This means we would not be able to replace him and we would be in big trouble because the owners do not have limitless resources. He is also paid a lot.

It would be an interesting risk to take Amare and could give us an exciting team, but one with a very different character from the team we have had since 2007-08. It is not clear to me that the team would actually be a contender considering we don't know what the chemistry would be like.

We do not have Dolan's money here. $20m a year is very substantial and would limit who we could add to our roster.

Amare has been pretty healthy the last 6 years, playing in at least 78 games in 4 of them (though did play in just 47 of the 66 this past season).  I'm not overly worried about him getting hurt, but he is probably more of a risk then most players.

[pearljammer10]

Theres no way the Knicks would give up those three young talents just to dump Amare.

[Moranis]

Theres no way the Knicks would give up those three young talents just to dump Amare.

probably right, what if they kept Lin and just traded Fields and Shumpert with Amare for Bass, Allen, and Moore.  I'd probably even throw in Johnson if it was a deal breaker.  Still seems like a pretty reasonable trade for all parties given the size of Amare's contract.

[Fafnir]

Shumpert and Fields could be nice additions. Im not sure if we'll have use for Lin but we can trade him to a PG needing team for a Center. I would be willing to take on Amare if NY would take this deal. With Bradley and Shumpert taking turns on defense. Fields is a dedicated defender to, while playing in his natural position at SF. And we could get a solid backup C for Lin.

This is a yes for me, don't matter if Amare is owed 60 mil for three years. This team, with this lineup is a contender for that 3 years.

Doubt that NY would do this though.

Amare is uninsured and has had serious injuries.

That means that if he ends up like Ratliff, insurance won't pay his deal like they did for Ratliff. This means we would not be able to replace him and we would be in big trouble because the owners do not have limitless resources. He is also paid a lot.

It would be an interesting risk to take Amare and could give us an exciting team, but one with a very different character from the team we have had since 2007-08. It is not clear to me that the team would actually be a contender considering we don't know what the chemistry would be like.

We do not have Dolan's money here. $20m a year is very substantial and would limit who we could add to our roster.

Amare has been pretty healthy the last 6 years, playing in at least 78 games in 4 of them (though did play in just 47 of the 66 this past season).  I'm not overly worried about him getting hurt, but he is probably more of a risk then most players.

Healthy but his game has dropped off a cliff this year.

That's a huge concern.

[Big_Dave31]

Shumpert and Fields could be nice additions. Im not sure if we'll have use for Lin but we can trade him to a PG needing team for a Center. I would be willing to take on Amare if NY would take this deal. With Bradley and Shumpert taking turns on defense. Fields is a dedicated defender to, while p!laying in his natural position at SF. And we could get a solid backup C for Lin.

This is a yes for me, don't matter if Amare is owed 60 mil for three years. This team, with this lineup is a contender for that 3 years.

Doubt that NY would do this though.

Amare is uninsured and has had serious injuries.

That means that if he ends up like Ratliff, insurance won't pay his deal like they did for Ratliff. This means we would not be able to replace him and we would be in big trouble because the owners do not have limitless resources. He is also paid a lot.

It would be an interesting risk to take Amare and could give us an exciting team, but one with a very different character from the team we have had since 2007-08. It is not clear to me that the team would actually be a contender considering we don't know what the chemistry would be like.

We do not have Dolan's money here. $20m a year is very substantial and would limit who we could add to our roster.

Amare has been pretty healthy the last 6 years, playing in at least 78 games in 4 of them (though did play in just 47 of the 66 this past season).  I'm not overly worried about him getting hurt, but he is probably more of a risk then most players.

Healthy but his game has dropped off a cliff this year.

That's a huge concern.

Its possible that part of that was the lack of chemistry him and Melo seemed to share.

playing with Rondo would surely somewhat give him a lot more easy points.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

I don't want Lin or Shump.

Lin was a flash in the pan, and Shump is too selfish to ever be associated with the Celtics.