Do the Celtics have enough bigs?

[j804]

Yes of course we need bigs we haven't had a real down low big banger since Perkins left town

[drogbagarnett]

This one is easy:

Question : Do the Celtics have enough bigs?
Answer : Yes they do! (We currently have 6 "bigs").

Q: Are they quality bigs
A: No! Servicable back ups only. (Except for KG but he is retiring soon..)

Q: Should we draft some bigs?
A: No!! Late 1st round wont provide us the quality bigs we need! I would rather take the Best Talent Available (a quality SG, SM or PF with Defense and Range that can slide to us) and Trade or sign a quality big that is a known proven entity and fits the Celtics.

[IanMello]

The Celtics have enough bigs but don't have enough bigs who can actually impact games. I can see the Celtics bringing back two or possibly all three of Steamer, Hollins, and Sean Williams.

But of course I'd love to see the Celtics add an impact big man one way or another. Obviously, Dwight Howard is still target #1 regardless of personality or whatever (I'd personally deal Rondo and our 2 firsts to get him if that's what it took). Barring that unlikely scenario playing out I'd really love to find a way to take Al Jefferson off of Utah's hands. He'd be the perfect complement to KG and would make our offense run so much smoother.

If there are no bigs available in trade I'd hope that Ainge could perhaps find one in the draft: maybe Royce White?

[drogbagarnett]

This one is easy:

Question : Do the Celtics have enough bigs?
Answer : Yes they do! (We currently have 6 "bigs").

Q: Are they quality bigs
A: No! Servicable back ups only. (Except for KG but he is retiring soon..)

Q: Should we draft some bigs?
A: No!! Late 1st round wont provide us the quality bigs we need! I would rather take the Best Talent Available (a quality SG, SM or PF with Defense and Range that can slide to us) and Trade or sign a quality big that is a known proven entity and fits the Celtics.

Just FYI, I would bring back KG, Stiesma, Wilcox, Jeff Green, Bass and Williams! Then go out and Trade Ray Allen, Hollins and JJJ for a Quality Big (Hibbert anyone..?? If not Al Jefferson, Mc Gee, Lopez, Kaman, for less assets..). And finally sign a veteran SG free Agent with excellent 3 pt shooting! (Jason Terry anyone...?? If not Gordon, OJ Mayo, etc..)

I would personally use the draft to get a SF and PF...

[mctyson]

I think we need to define the word "big" first.  Charles Barkley was a 6'5" PF.  BBD played the 5 for us last year.

Are we going to get anyone worthwhile over 7 feet?  Probably not; those players tend to be top-5 picks for that reason.  That's why Oden went over Durant.

We need a solid Defensive Rebounder and someone who is comfortable with their back to the basket.  And I don't care how "big" they are.

[nickagneta]

Quality Big Men chosen after pick #20 since the 2000 draft:

2011 Kenneth Faried - #22
2009 Taj Gibson - #26
2009 DeJuan Blair - #37
2008 Ryan Anderson - #21
2008 Serge Ibaka - #24
2008 Nikola Pekovic - #31
2008 DeAndre Jordan - #35
2008 Omer Asik - #36
2007 Tiago Splitter - #28
2007 Carl Landry - #31
2007 Glen Davis - #35
2007 Marc Gasol - #48
2006 Paul Millsap - #47
2005 David Lee - #30
2005 Ersan Ilyasova - #35
2005 Marcin Gortat - #57
2004 Anderson Varejao - #31
2003 Boris Diaw - #21
2003 Kendrick Perkins - #27
2003 Zaza Pachulia - #42
2003 Matt Bonner - #45
2002 Nenad Krstic - #24
2002 Carlos Boozer - #35
2002 Luis Scola - #56
2001 Samuel Dalembert - #26
2001 Mehmet Okur - #37

26 big men that had various levels of quality from near All-NBA to All-Star to near All-Star to very good starter to high quality bench role player. Over 12 years that's averages about two quality bigs taken after the 20th pick every year.

With a deep draft, there has to be some quality big men that are going to be available at the Celtics picks to get. So I see no problem with taking one pick to take BPA and taking the other pick to take Best Bigman Available.

[CelticHooligan3]

Quality Big Men chosen after pick #20 since the 2000 draft:

2011 Kenneth Faried - #22
2009 Taj Gibson - #26
2009 DeJuan Blair - #37
2008 Ryan Anderson - #21
2008 Serge Ibaka - #24
2008 Nikola Pekovic - #31
2008 DeAndre Jordan - #35
2008 Omer Asik - #36
2007 Tiago Splitter - #28
2007 Carl Landry - #31
2007 Glen Davis - #35
2007 Marc Gasol - #48
2006 Paul Millsap - #47
2005 David Lee - #30
2005 Ersan Ilyasova - #35
2005 Marcin Gortat - #57
2004 Anderson Varejao - #31
2003 Boris Diaw - #21
2003 Kendrick Perkins - #27
2003 Zaza Pachulia - #42
2003 Matt Bonner - #45
2002 Nenad Krstic - #24
2002 Carlos Boozer - #35
2002 Luis Scola - #56
2001 Samuel Dalembert - #26
2001 Mehmet Okur - #37

26 big men that had various levels of quality from near All-NBA to All-Star to near All-Star to very good starter to high quality bench role player. Over 12 years that's averages about two quality bigs taken after the 20th pick every year.

With a deep draft, there has to be some quality big men that are going to be available at the Celtics picks to get. So I see no problem with taking one pick to take BPA and taking the other pick to take Best Bigman Available.

That's a crazy list and thank you for it Nick. TP. But wow seriously just looking at many of those names i can't beleive where they were taken. Coulda, woulda, shoulda right? All i know is i'd love to see a few of those guys in Green. Heck, a few are even big names    

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Hollis has some strength, he needs to play more....in the regular season....JJJ also...jjj has shown he can run, shoot, dunk, block shots and rebound...he has some Camby skills, camby was skinny too, but he rebounded very well.....rebounding is being there first, having a nose for where the ball is going.....it isn't that hard if you really want it.....williams, haven't seen him.....hollis can bang.....One thing is..you need to run some plays for these guys and get them the ball in the paint...and if it doesn't WORK the 1st time, do it again...till it works...get them confident and you'll see them play 100% better....I mean, they set up a shooter till he hits.even Ray Allen......

[ManUp]

Quality Big Men chosen after pick #20 since the 2000 draft:

2011 Kenneth Faried - #22
2009 Taj Gibson - #26
2009 DeJuan Blair - #37
2008 Ryan Anderson - #21
2008 Serge Ibaka - #24
2008 Nikola Pekovic - #31
2008 DeAndre Jordan - #35
2008 Omer Asik - #36
2007 Tiago Splitter - #28
2007 Carl Landry - #31
2007 Glen Davis - #35
2007 Marc Gasol - #48
2006 Paul Millsap - #47
2005 David Lee - #30
2005 Ersan Ilyasova - #35
2005 Marcin Gortat - #57
2004 Anderson Varejao - #31
2003 Boris Diaw - #21
2003 Kendrick Perkins - #27
2003 Zaza Pachulia - #42
2003 Matt Bonner - #45
2002 Nenad Krstic - #24
2002 Carlos Boozer - #35
2002 Luis Scola - #56
2001 Samuel Dalembert - #26
2001 Mehmet Okur - #37

26 big men that had various levels of quality from near All-NBA to All-Star to near All-Star to very good starter to high quality bench role player. Over 12 years that's averages about two quality bigs taken after the 20th pick every year.

With a deep draft, there has to be some quality big men that are going to be available at the Celtics picks to get. So I see no problem with taking one pick to take BPA and taking the other pick to take Best Bigman Available.

I think the concern is with the Celtics overlooking better players to draft a big not the availability of decent bigs. I don't want to leave Danny Granger on the board to grab Taj Gibson.  If we are looking for guys to fill needs we should use trade and free agency, not the draft. The way I see it a team should never go into the draft looking for roleplayers.

[Who]

They definitely need another big who is capable of starting. Either a PF to replace Bass or a C to replace Bass with KG sliding back to PF.

They have two big men slots filled with Garnett (PF or C) and Stiemsma (backup C) and possibly a third with Bass (backup PF) if Bass is re-signed. Definitely short a starting caliber big man though.

Also long term -- I think Danny should also be working under the idea that Garnett is likely to retire in the next few years + Bass will probably be overpaid this summer and is unlikely to return. So bringing in a young big man or two who can be rotation players down the road (and can learn from Garnett and Co. in the meantime) is a good option.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

It would be good to ave kg get an easier role as a forward instead of center....

[OsirusCeltics]

It would be good to ave kg get an easier role as a forward instead of center....

I rather him play center, and like him in that position
He's not as quick as he used to be, and the younger PF's would would take him off the dribble and score 30 on him. When he plays center, he has a speed advantage on nearly every guy he plays. Plus his mid range shot keeps them out of the paint, and takes them out of their comfort zone

[nickagneta]

Quality Big Men chosen after pick #20 since the 2000 draft:

2011 Kenneth Faried - #22
2009 Taj Gibson - #26
2009 DeJuan Blair - #37
2008 Ryan Anderson - #21
2008 Serge Ibaka - #24
2008 Nikola Pekovic - #31
2008 DeAndre Jordan - #35
2008 Omer Asik - #36
2007 Tiago Splitter - #28
2007 Carl Landry - #31
2007 Glen Davis - #35
2007 Marc Gasol - #48
2006 Paul Millsap - #47
2005 David Lee - #30
2005 Ersan Ilyasova - #35
2005 Marcin Gortat - #57
2004 Anderson Varejao - #31
2003 Boris Diaw - #21
2003 Kendrick Perkins - #27
2003 Zaza Pachulia - #42
2003 Matt Bonner - #45
2002 Nenad Krstic - #24
2002 Carlos Boozer - #35
2002 Luis Scola - #56
2001 Samuel Dalembert - #26
2001 Mehmet Okur - #37

26 big men that had various levels of quality from near All-NBA to All-Star to near All-Star to very good starter to high quality bench role player. Over 12 years that's averages about two quality bigs taken after the 20th pick every year.

With a deep draft, there has to be some quality big men that are going to be available at the Celtics picks to get. So I see no problem with taking one pick to take BPA and taking the other pick to take Best Bigman Available.

I think the concern is with the Celtics overlooking better players to draft a big not the availability of decent bigs. I don't want to leave Danny Granger on the board to grab Taj Gibson.  If we are looking for guys to fill needs we should use trade and free agency, not the draft. The way I see it a team should never go into the draft looking for roleplayers.

Yes but your assumption was that good big men would be gone by then because good big men don't last that long. So draft BPA.

Well this goes to show that there's almost always good big men available and since this team has not one but two picks it isn't going to hurt to draft both BPA and BBA. You just have to be confident in your abilities to identify that big and be the one snagging him.

Could you be missing out on Danny Granger? Sure. But by risking taking a Granger you could be missing out on Marc Gasol, Carlos Boozer, Serge Ibaka, Anderson Varejao or someone who I think is going to be an outstanding player, Nikola Pekovic. For every wing player that might be BPA there could be a big that is that BPA.

Now it could turn out that Danny honestly thinks that the two best players available are bigs. If so I hope he takes two bigs and doesn't chose a wing simply because Pierce is aging and Ray might be gone.

(Like how I turned that around there  )

[ManUp]

Quality Big Men chosen after pick #20 since the 2000 draft:

2011 Kenneth Faried - #22
2009 Taj Gibson - #26
2009 DeJuan Blair - #37
2008 Ryan Anderson - #21
2008 Serge Ibaka - #24
2008 Nikola Pekovic - #31
2008 DeAndre Jordan - #35
2008 Omer Asik - #36
2007 Tiago Splitter - #28
2007 Carl Landry - #31
2007 Glen Davis - #35
2007 Marc Gasol - #48
2006 Paul Millsap - #47
2005 David Lee - #30
2005 Ersan Ilyasova - #35
2005 Marcin Gortat - #57
2004 Anderson Varejao - #31
2003 Boris Diaw - #21
2003 Kendrick Perkins - #27
2003 Zaza Pachulia - #42
2003 Matt Bonner - #45
2002 Nenad Krstic - #24
2002 Carlos Boozer - #35
2002 Luis Scola - #56
2001 Samuel Dalembert - #26
2001 Mehmet Okur - #37

26 big men that had various levels of quality from near All-NBA to All-Star to near All-Star to very good starter to high quality bench role player. Over 12 years that's averages about two quality bigs taken after the 20th pick every year.

With a deep draft, there has to be some quality big men that are going to be available at the Celtics picks to get. So I see no problem with taking one pick to take BPA and taking the other pick to take Best Bigman Available.

I think the concern is with the Celtics overlooking better players to draft a big not the availability of decent bigs. I don't want to leave Danny Granger on the board to grab Taj Gibson.  If we are looking for guys to fill needs we should use trade and free agency, not the draft. The way I see it a team should never go into the draft looking for roleplayers.

Yes but your assumption was that good big men would be gone by then because good big men don't last that long. So draft BPA.

Well this goes to show that there's almost always good big men available and since this team has not one but two picks it isn't going to hurt to draft both BPA and BBA. You just have to be confident in your abilities to identify that big and be the one snagging him.

Could you be missing out on Danny Granger? Sure. But by risking taking a Granger you could be missing out on Marc Gasol, Carlos Boozer, Serge Ibaka, Anderson Varejao or someone who I think is going to be an outstanding player, Nikola Pekovic. For every wing player that might be BPA there could be a big that is that BPA.

Now it could turn out that Danny honestly thinks that the two best players available are bigs. If so I hope he takes two bigs and doesn't chose a wing simply because Pierce is aging and Ray might be gone.

(Like how I turned that around there  )

I agree.

Just to clarify, my assumption was that we wouldn't be able to find an immediate contributing big( a center more specifically) in the back end of the first round. I'm all for drafting two bigs if they are BPA. I just don't think we should be drafting guys to fill a need for a team that will most likely be broken up before he's ready to contribute.

The last time we drafted for need we picked up JR Giddens and Bill Walker to be Posey replacements(by committee). DeAndre Jordan was on the board, but was expected to be a project. We needed wings and bigs weren't really a concern because we had Perk, KG, BBD, Powe. Now both Giddens and Walker are without teams and Jordan although very raw is a solid big still improving on his potential. The last time we drafted BPA we picked up Bradley although we already had Rondo, Robinson, Tony, and Ray. Bradley wasn't what we needed at the time, he was projected to be a project combo guard now just two years later he's looking like part of our future back-court.

I have nothing against drafting bigs late in the draft, I'm just not too impressed with the bigs projected late in this particular draft, although I'm warming to the idea of Fab Melo. As long as i feel like Danny was trying to get us a steal I'll be happy big man or not. Needs can and will change I just don't think the draft is the way to fill them.

[nickagneta]

Yes, but there is drafting for immediate need and drafting for long term need. Both immediately and long term this team needs a big.

So I think they need to draft a best big available not so much because next year we need a big but because the youth of this team all are small and play small. Long term, this team needs a young big man to develop.