Playfull critic of game 1. Bradley's presence.

[nickagneta]

Bradley is going to suck this entire playoffs, I've been saying that.

He just isn't very talented at offense.  He was getting easy points off cuts early on because nobody knew who he was - this is the playoffs, you actually have to earn baskets now.

This is my favorite post in this thread.

Bradley has consistently been this team's first to third leading scorer for over a month yet he's not talented on offense and is going to suck in this entire playoffs.

Unreal.

He's a 30% jump shooter.  He wasn't good tonight either.  I'm glad he was able to get some points at the free throw line but he still showed no offensive skill

What was his jump shooting numbers since late February?

They aren't anywhere near 30%.

In college he was a good mid range shooter.

Also, the pass to Bass baseline on the drive tonight, the shot on the baseline over Hinrich after making a move, and the stop on a dime jump shot after a fast push up the court says he does have plenty of offensive talent. Even the fast break pass to Pierce was a smart and good offensive fast break play.

[mainevent]

Bradley is going to suck this entire playoffs, I've been saying that.

He just isn't very talented at offense.  He was getting easy points off cuts early on because nobody knew who he was - this is the playoffs, you actually have to earn baskets now.

Curious....how do your words taste? Did you put milk in them or did you eat them straight? Lol. I'll tell you....internet guru's. What's your next prediction?

You guys keep doubting Agent Zero lol. His next assignment: To make believers out of you experts that continue to doubt him. 

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

ABeast: 14pts (4-8 shooting and 6-8fts), 3ast, 3stls, and 2rbs! Yea, he also shut Teague down in the 4th! He was 3rd in +/- with +8, behind Quis the leader at +11, and KG second at +10 (PP was +4, tied for 5th behind SURPRISINGLY, Hollins, at +5)! Not bad for his second playoff game ever!


Edit, he also had 3 blocks (GET THAT STUFF OUTTA HEREEEE)!!!!

[Marcus13]

Bradley is going to suck this entire playoffs, I've been saying that.

He just isn't very talented at offense.  He was getting easy points off cuts early on because nobody knew who he was - this is the playoffs, you actually have to earn baskets now.

Curious....how do your words taste? Did you put milk in them or did you eat them straight? Lol. I'll tell you....internet guru's. What's your next prediction?

You guys keep doubting Agent Zero lol. His next assignment: To make believers out of you experts that continue to doubt him. 

Nope, he continued to prove me right.  He did very little on the offensive end for his second straight playoff appearance.  His defense was much better, but I never doubted that

[apc]

this play was awsome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p072yQRrX60

[dlpin]

Do people realize just how young Avery Bradley is?
He is a year and a half younger than our 2 rookies. He is over 2 years younger than Jeff Teague. He is the youngest player in this series by a very good margin. And yet when thrown into the spotlight in a tough situation, he responded really well. Much better than other kids his age.

Bradley is going to be a special, special player. Multiple all star type of special.

[bbd24]

Do people realize just how young Avery Bradley is?
He is a year and a half younger than our 2 rookies. He is over 2 years younger than Jeff Teague. He is the youngest player in this series by a very good margin. And yet when thrown into the spotlight in a tough situation, he responded really well. Much better than other kids his age.

Bradley is going to be a special, special player. Multiple all star type of special.

It was pretty evident during the initial 10 games that many people had no clue how old Bradley is...they were wanting him traded or cut during that span.

It's similiar to those that are already counting out guys like E'tuan Moore or Jajuan Johnson.  Nobody, especially fans, give youth time anymore.  They expect results right away.  Forget development.

[nickagneta]

Do people realize just how young Avery Bradley is?
He is a year and a half younger than our 2 rookies. He is over 2 years younger than Jeff Teague. He is the youngest player in this series by a very good margin. And yet when thrown into the spotlight in a tough situation, he responded really well. Much better than other kids his age.

Bradley is going to be a special, special player. Multiple all star type of special.

It was pretty evident during the initial 10 games that many people had no clue how old Bradley is...they were wanting him traded or cut during that span.

It's similiar to those that are already counting out guys like E'tuan Moore or Jajuan Johnson.  Nobody, especially fans, give youth time anymore.  They expect results right away.  Forget development.

Very true. By the same token, needing to develop doesn't equal playing time. You have to earn playing time by showing the coach and your teammates can rely on you to do the job.

I think JJJ and Moore have talent. I just don't think they have earned Doc's trust, their teammates trust or playing time right now.

[CelticG1]

Bradley is going to suck this entire playoffs, I've been saying that.

He just isn't very talented at offense.  He was getting easy points off cuts early on because nobody knew who he was - this is the playoffs, you actually have to earn baskets now.

Curious....how do your words taste? Did you put milk in them or did you eat them straight? Lol. I'll tell you....internet guru's. What's your next prediction?

You guys keep doubting Agent Zero lol. His next assignment: To make believers out of you experts that continue to doubt him. 

Nope, he continued to prove me right.  He did very little on the offensive end for his second straight playoff appearance.  His defense was much better, but I never doubted that

Were we watching the same game?

Scored 14 points 3 outside jumpshots, 1 on a fast break pull up and one clutch one to take a 2 point lead of off the dribble with heinrich hanging on him. Also drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line is actually an awesome offense, one that Pierce has lived off of his entire career.

What do you want him to do as a second year player? Shoot 60% on outside shots and not get to the free throw line?

Seriously though what does Bradley need to prove to you that he's legit. And don't tell me he needs to do it for a year, because there's no point in talking about it now if that's what its going to take

[Marcus13]

Bradley is going to suck this entire playoffs, I've been saying that.

He just isn't very talented at offense.  He was getting easy points off cuts early on because nobody knew who he was - this is the playoffs, you actually have to earn baskets now.

Curious....how do your words taste? Did you put milk in them or did you eat them straight? Lol. I'll tell you....internet guru's. What's your next prediction?

You guys keep doubting Agent Zero lol. His next assignment: To make believers out of you experts that continue to doubt him. 

Nope, he continued to prove me right.  He did very little on the offensive end for his second straight playoff appearance.  His defense was much better, but I never doubted that

Were we watching the same game?

Scored 14 points 3 outside jumpshots, 1 on a fast break pull up and one clutch one to take a 2 point lead of off the dribble with heinrich hanging on him. Also drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line is actually an awesome offense, one that Pierce has lived off of his entire career.

What do you want him to do as a second year player? Shoot 60% on outside shots and not get to the free throw line?

Seriously though what does Bradley need to prove to you that he's legit. And don't tell me he needs to do it for a year, because there's no point in talking about it now if that's what its going to take

It's cool that he got some points off of free throws, that's great -- but in reality you just tried to say that him making three jumpers and a layup in 40 minutes is somehow impressive.  I'm not saying that Bradley isn't going to be a valuable asset to this team or anything like that...he already is.  But, RIGHT NOW, TODAY, As a second year player in the NBA, he isn't starting SG material.  Maybe he'll hit the gym hard this summer and improve his offense for next season, but it just isn't there right now and it's evident with your argument.

4 buckets in 40 minutes.

[Fafnir]

It's cool that he got some points off of free throws, that's great -- but in reality you just tried to say that him making three jumpers and a layup in 40 minutes is somehow impressive.  I'm not saying that Bradley isn't going to be a valuable asset to this team or anything like that...he already is.  But, RIGHT NOW, TODAY, As a second year player in the NBA, he isn't starting SG material.  Maybe he'll hit the gym hard this summer and improve his offense for next season, but it just isn't there right now and it's evident with your argument.

4 buckets in 40 minutes.

14 points only taking 8 shots (12 counting free throws and with just one turnover) is excellent.

Ray Allen averages 14.2 ppg on roughly 12 shots (again counting 2 fta = 1 shot) in 34 mpg.

Is Ray Allen a starting quality offensive SG? Bradley potentially could have gotten a few more opportunities, but when Pierce has the ball the entire time and isn't passing great overall how is he supposed to get more shots?

And when Pierce didn't handle generally it was a post up for KG (or sometimes Bass)

[BballTim]

Bradley is going to suck this entire playoffs, I've been saying that.

He just isn't very talented at offense.  He was getting easy points off cuts early on because nobody knew who he was - this is the playoffs, you actually have to earn baskets now.

Curious....how do your words taste? Did you put milk in them or did you eat them straight? Lol. I'll tell you....internet guru's. What's your next prediction?

You guys keep doubting Agent Zero lol. His next assignment: To make believers out of you experts that continue to doubt him. 

Nope, he continued to prove me right.  He did very little on the offensive end for his second straight playoff appearance.  His defense was much better, but I never doubted that

Were we watching the same game?

Scored 14 points 3 outside jumpshots, 1 on a fast break pull up and one clutch one to take a 2 point lead of off the dribble with heinrich hanging on him. Also drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line is actually an awesome offense, one that Pierce has lived off of his entire career.

What do you want him to do as a second year player? Shoot 60% on outside shots and not get to the free throw line?

Seriously though what does Bradley need to prove to you that he's legit. And don't tell me he needs to do it for a year, because there's no point in talking about it now if that's what its going to take

It's cool that he got some points off of free throws, that's great -- but in reality you just tried to say that him making three jumpers and a layup in 40 minutes is somehow impressive.  I'm not saying that Bradley isn't going to be a valuable asset to this team or anything like that...he already is.  But, RIGHT NOW, TODAY, As a second year player in the NBA, he isn't starting SG material.  Maybe he'll hit the gym hard this summer and improve his offense for next season, but it just isn't there right now and it's evident with your argument.

4 buckets in 40 minutes.

  The league's littered with starting SGs that aren't as good as Bradley. There's only 8 SGs in the league that averaged more than 2 points a game higher than the 12.3 Avery averaged when he started. Throw in the defense he played and it's easy to make an argument that this year AB was an above average sg.

[dlpin]

To provide further perspective:

Bradley is younger than 5 of the players picked in the lottery last draft. He is younger than Imam Shumpert. He is younger than Marshon Brooks. He is younger than our rookies. He is younger than 3 of the guys projected to be picked in the lottery this year.

And in a game that was close to a must win (teams that go up 2-0 win 94% of the time), he was thrown in the spot light and responded in a big way.

[Marcus13]

It's cool that he got some points off of free throws, that's great -- but in reality you just tried to say that him making three jumpers and a layup in 40 minutes is somehow impressive.  I'm not saying that Bradley isn't going to be a valuable asset to this team or anything like that...he already is.  But, RIGHT NOW, TODAY, As a second year player in the NBA, he isn't starting SG material.  Maybe he'll hit the gym hard this summer and improve his offense for next season, but it just isn't there right now and it's evident with your argument.

4 buckets in 40 minutes.

14 points only taking 8 shots (12 counting free throws and with just one turnover) is excellent.

Ray Allen averages 14.2 ppg on roughly 12 shots (again counting 2 fta = 1 shot) in 34 mpg.

Is Ray Allen a starting quality offensive SG? Bradley potentially could have gotten a few more opportunities, but when Pierce has the ball the entire time and isn't passing great overall how is he supposed to get more shots?

And when Pierce didn't handle generally it was a post up for KG (or sometimes Bass)

ugh.

We're going to take one game vs. a season average now?  I said multiple times it's great that Avery was able to get his points up last night by getting to the free throw line so many times but he hasn't shown that's his game in any kind of way and until it becomes a trend you can't use that as some kind of advantage.  If Ray were able to get to the line 8 times a game, he would still be a starting SG averaging close to 20 a game too.  It's much harder to get to the line than it is to make the shots.  IF Bradley, can average 8 free throws a game, I will eat my words and give him all the props in the world.  He just hasn't displayed that thus far.

[rayallen1934]

Hawks started out the game leading something like 19-4.
Who is to blame?
A. Say If Ray Allen was STARTING it would CLEARLY be his fault.
But Bradley started and the Celtics reverted back to pre all star ways. What changed?

Did Bradley make a shot outside of 1 feet?
A. I dont think he did, he made 4 shots, i know 3 of them were wide open cut layups/alley oop

he was 0-8 on anything resembling a jumper, 0-2 threes. Most of these shots were WIDE OPEN.

Did Bradley play his outstanding defense?
A. Did he? Nobody dare's criticize our defensive specialist. But Kirk drilled 2 threes right in bradley's face, and Pargo shot one in bradley's face also. Hinrich shot one which killed our potential back breaking run in the 3rd. Hinrich's three in the 3rd was insanely difficult and maybe lucky, but it is what it is.

Healthy Ray Allen starting is better vs the Hawks?
A. Against the heat? NO. Against the Hawks, A healthy Ray Allen = better chance of ending this series very early.


Pierce sucked, Garnett sucked in the start. Our defense was good, and i think the celtics canpretty much shut down the hawks for under 20 every single quarter. But Bradley really didnt play well at all. Pietrus didnt either.

Im not trying to down Bradley at all , 21 years old, undersized, first experience in the post season and has only started about 25 games or so. This is not a bash bradley thread. I am the first to admit i was dead wrong about him as you can see in my prior topics.

But as a fair criticism, Bradley did not play well enough to escape major blame. He needs to do more now and tonight is huge.

Fair enough. Did he answer? Sounds like he did!

He sure did! and that makes me happy