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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2012, 03:06:58 AM »

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Article says they're small, like a grain of sand.  Bone spurs tells me Ray is dealing with an inflammed tendon.  Bad news.

It's always tendons with this team that do us in.  KG, Shaq, and now possibly Ray.  All tendon issues.

Hopefully it's not so bad he can't play.  Also, SG happens to be our position of greatest depth.  It's possible we might be able to survive with out Ray for a bit.


Link:http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4692629/ray-allens-timetable-still-cloudy

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An MRI has revealed tiny bone spurs (Allen said they are the size of a grain of sand), which appear to be the culprit. He said it was nowhere near the problem he had with his ankles in 2006-07, when he had larger bone spurs that necessitated surgery.


Hmmm, well, not sure where you got the info from, but having a bone spur is not an automatic indication that someone is dealing with an inflamed tendon.

Bone spurs are generally related to age, (as in osteoarhritis), when the soft tissue and cartilege between bones breaks down and deteriorates, causing bones to rub together, or pressure and stress being applied more directly to the bone surface by exterior means.

This causes the bone to produce more of itself to repair the area in distress, and that build-up becomes a bump or spur, (which is not sharp, as some people assume from the sound of the word).

It also occurs in the heel, and can be from the patient being overweight, having poorly fitting shoes, or abnormal repeated stress to the area, (as in sports).

For example, this happens when the long ligament on the bottom of the foot, (the plantar fascia), becomes stressed and shortened. This produces a build-up of bone which then inflames the ligament, (maybe this is what you're referring to?).

Anyway, bone spurs are not directly a tendon problem, nor an indication of such, though that can sometimes be an indirect complication or secondary diagnosis.

I personally wouldn't make that assumption in Ray's case, as it sounds like it's from normal ageing and repetitive activity.

Well, obviously I wasn't trying to imply any such possible tendon issue causing the bone spurs.  That's not even possible (I think).  My point is the bone spurs are most likely causing the tendon in the area to become inflammed.  This is a common side affect of bone spurs.  If the bone spurs are in an area where they are rubbing against the tendon, the tendon can become inflammed, resulting in swelling.

Ray has already had one cortisone shot, not a treatment for just bone spurs.  Cortisone shots are frequently administered to calm inflammed tendons.  My guess is, even though the bone spurs are small, they just so happen to be in the exactly wrong location and I'm willing to bet Ray ends up needing surgery again for this issue.

Hopefully the bone spurs are small enough that Ray can play through the pain and manage the swelling throughout the playoffs.
It depends a great deal on where the bone spurs are, and what the MRIs show.

Cortisone shots are not always a quick-fix, but are generally successful in relieving inflamation if the tendons are indeed inflamed from the bone spurs directly.

Depending on the location, the injection of steroids (in liquid form) can actually cause a separation of bone and soft tissue, (or joint), which can actually prolong the recovery time.

The location also dictates whether or not flouroscopy is needed to guide the needle to the injection site, in which case the invasiveness also can cause additional irritation to the site, and in turn more inflamation.

NSAIDs given in relatively moderate doses in conjunction with steroid injections will help shorten the recuperative period, and I'm quite sure Ray is getting regular ultrasonic and temperature modulation therapy as well.

Here's hoping it's as minor as they indicate, as spurs can be a chronic problem for the life of the patient, if not taken care of by both treatment and preventative medicine/behavior modification.

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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2012, 06:28:15 AM »

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It doesn't matter whether or not Ray is better than Avery Bradley and it defintely doesn't matter whether his is better than Bird but he is certainly better than Moore or Dooling and that is who is going to have to play more if we don't have Ray.

I see Ray, Bradley, and Pietrus all getting important minutes in the playoffs.  0.453 3P%, yeah, I'll take that and figure out a way to get him on the court.

Nobody said Ray was better than Bird or vice versa.. It was merely an off tangent discussion of who's the greatest shooter of all time.. I went with Ray to explain why I think it's stupid that people think we wouldn't need him for the playoffs.

You are right, Avery, Ray and Pietrus will all get significant minutes.. Pietrus more so backing up Paul.. Avery is going to start for his defense, energy and attacking.. Ray is going to finish, because he is the greatest shooter of all time and also one of the clutchest players this league has ever had to offer.. 0.453 3P%, high 80's low 90's free throw shooter.. You need him at the end of games.

Close this thread, its a wrap. Beam me up Scotty. GET BETTER RAY! WE NEED YOU.

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2012, 07:15:47 AM »

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Article says they're small, like a grain of sand.  Bone spurs tells me Ray is dealing with an inflammed tendon.  Bad news.

It's always tendons with this team that do us in.  KG, Shaq, and now possibly Ray.  All tendon issues.

Hopefully it's not so bad he can't play.  Also, SG happens to be our position of greatest depth.  It's possible we might be able to survive with out Ray for a bit.


Link:http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4692629/ray-allens-timetable-still-cloudy

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An MRI has revealed tiny bone spurs (Allen said they are the size of a grain of sand), which appear to be the culprit. He said it was nowhere near the problem he had with his ankles in 2006-07, when he had larger bone spurs that necessitated surgery.


Hmmm, well, not sure where you got the info from, but having a bone spur is not an automatic indication that someone is dealing with an inflamed tendon.

Bone spurs are generally related to age, (as in osteoarhritis), when the soft tissue and cartilege between bones breaks down and deteriorates, causing bones to rub together, or pressure and stress being applied more directly to the bone surface by exterior means.

This causes the bone to produce more of itself to repair the area in distress, and that build-up becomes a bump or spur, (which is not sharp, as some people assume from the sound of the word).

It also occurs in the heel, and can be from the patient being overweight, having poorly fitting shoes, or abnormal repeated stress to the area, (as in sports).

For example, this happens when the long ligament on the bottom of the foot, (the plantar fascia), becomes stressed and shortened. This produces a build-up of bone which then inflames the ligament, (maybe this is what you're referring to?).

Anyway, bone spurs are not directly a tendon problem, nor an indication of such, though that can sometimes be an indirect complication or secondary diagnosis.

I personally wouldn't make that assumption in Ray's case, as it sounds like it's from normal ageing and repetitive activity.

Well, obviously I wasn't trying to imply any such possible tendon issue causing the bone spurs.  That's not even possible (I think).  My point is the bone spurs are most likely causing the tendon in the area to become inflammed.  This is a common side affect of bone spurs.  If the bone spurs are in an area where they are rubbing against the tendon, the tendon can become inflammed, resulting in swelling.

Ray has already had one cortisone shot, not a treatment for just bone spurs.  Cortisone shots are frequently administered to calm inflammed tendons.  My guess is, even though the bone spurs are small, they just so happen to be in the exactly wrong location and I'm willing to bet Ray ends up needing surgery again for this issue.

Hopefully the bone spurs are small enough that Ray can play through the pain and manage the swelling throughout the playoffs.
It depends a great deal on where the bone spurs are, and what the MRIs show.

Cortisone shots are not always a quick-fix, but are generally successful in relieving inflamation if the tendons are indeed inflamed from the bone spurs directly.

Depending on the location, the injection of steroids (in liquid form) can actually cause a separation of bone and soft tissue, (or joint), which can actually prolong the recovery time.

The location also dictates whether or not flouroscopy is needed to guide the needle to the injection site, in which case the invasiveness also can cause additional irritation to the site, and in turn more inflamation.

NSAIDs given in relatively moderate doses in conjunction with steroid injections will help shorten the recuperative period, and I'm quite sure Ray is getting regular ultrasonic and temperature modulation therapy as well.

Here's hoping it's as minor as they indicate, as spurs can be a chronic problem for the life of the patient, if not taken care of by both treatment and preventative medicine/behavior modification.



You sound like you know this stuff, is Stiemer inviting bone spurs by playing through a season with PF in one foot?

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2012, 07:18:17 AM »

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Article says they're small, like a grain of sand.  Bone spurs tells me Ray is dealing with an inflammed tendon.  Bad news.

It's always tendons with this team that do us in.  KG, Shaq, and now possibly Ray.  All tendon issues.

Hopefully it's not so bad he can't play.  Also, SG happens to be our position of greatest depth.  It's possible we might be able to survive with out Ray for a bit.


Link:http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4692629/ray-allens-timetable-still-cloudy

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An MRI has revealed tiny bone spurs (Allen said they are the size of a grain of sand), which appear to be the culprit. He said it was nowhere near the problem he had with his ankles in 2006-07, when he had larger bone spurs that necessitated surgery.


Hmmm, well, not sure where you got the info from, but having a bone spur is not an automatic indication that someone is dealing with an inflamed tendon.

Bone spurs are generally related to age, (as in osteoarhritis), when the soft tissue and cartilege between bones breaks down and deteriorates, causing bones to rub together, or pressure and stress being applied more directly to the bone surface by exterior means.

This causes the bone to produce more of itself to repair the area in distress, and that build-up becomes a bump or spur, (which is not sharp, as some people assume from the sound of the word).

It also occurs in the heel, and can be from the patient being overweight, having poorly fitting shoes, or abnormal repeated stress to the area, (as in sports).

For example, this happens when the long ligament on the bottom of the foot, (the plantar fascia), becomes stressed and shortened. This produces a build-up of bone which then inflames the ligament, (maybe this is what you're referring to?).

Anyway, bone spurs are not directly a tendon problem, nor an indication of such, though that can sometimes be an indirect complication or secondary diagnosis.

I personally wouldn't make that assumption in Ray's case, as it sounds like it's from normal ageing and repetitive activity.

Well, obviously I wasn't trying to imply any such possible tendon issue causing the bone spurs.  That's not even possible (I think).  My point is the bone spurs are most likely causing the tendon in the area to become inflammed.  This is a common side affect of bone spurs.  If the bone spurs are in an area where they are rubbing against the tendon, the tendon can become inflammed, resulting in swelling.

Ray has already had one cortisone shot, not a treatment for just bone spurs.  Cortisone shots are frequently administered to calm inflammed tendons.  My guess is, even though the bone spurs are small, they just so happen to be in the exactly wrong location and I'm willing to bet Ray ends up needing surgery again for this issue.

Hopefully the bone spurs are small enough that Ray can play through the pain and manage the swelling throughout the playoffs.
It depends a great deal on where the bone spurs are, and what the MRIs show.

Cortisone shots are not always a quick-fix, but are generally successful in relieving inflamation if the tendons are indeed inflamed from the bone spurs directly.

Depending on the location, the injection of steroids (in liquid form) can actually cause a separation of bone and soft tissue, (or joint), which can actually prolong the recovery time.

The location also dictates whether or not flouroscopy is needed to guide the needle to the injection site, in which case the invasiveness also can cause additional irritation to the site, and in turn more inflamation.

NSAIDs given in relatively moderate doses in conjunction with steroid injections will help shorten the recuperative period, and I'm quite sure Ray is getting regular ultrasonic and temperature modulation therapy as well.

Here's hoping it's as minor as they indicate, as spurs can be a chronic problem for the life of the patient, if not taken care of by both treatment and preventative medicine/behavior modification.



You sound like you know this stuff, is Stiemer inviting bone spurs by playing through a season with PF in one foot?

Great question.. I would also like to know this.. Stiemer playing with all those injuries worries me.

Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2012, 08:45:59 AM »

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I would love to have Ray healthy for the playoffs, but I do think we can get by without him.  We have a lot of depth at the guard and wing positions. 

If Pietrus and Ray are both out, then I'll be more concerned. 
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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2012, 09:56:58 AM »

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I would love to have Ray healthy for the playoffs, but I do think we can get by without him.  We have a lot of depth at the guard and wing positions. 

If Pietrus and Ray are both out, then I'll be more concerned. 

It's the starters plus Stiemer that the team absolutely can't do without.

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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2012, 10:10:27 PM »

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Ray is vital to this team. Very vital. It's always a good thing to have someone like him who can help you out with much needed 3 point shooting.

We have no more reliable 3 point shooter than Ray. A couple of solid games from other players will not change this fact. However, I do think we gain in some very vital ways with Ray not on the court, but there is never a case where you potentially lose THAT reliable a 3 point shooter entirely, and it somehow evaluates to being a good thing.

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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2012, 10:31:23 PM »

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It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.
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Re: Ray has bone spurs
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2012, 10:41:34 PM »

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It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.


Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.
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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2012, 11:06:07 PM »

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Ray is in otherwise great shape for his age...but he is going to have a hard time winning his job back from Bradley  , who continues to shoot better every game and expand his skills .  And no matter how well Ray becomes , Bradley is already a far better defender and energy bringer .  Unless Avery punks out , I think Ray is going to have to accept the fact he is now a role player  , like Steve Kerr was or Reggie Miller.

Like to see him finish as a Celtic.

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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2012, 11:48:47 PM »

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It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.


Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.
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« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2012, 12:16:15 AM »

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It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.


Ray Allen at 37 isnt the Ray Allen at 27, theres a huge difference and lots of fans refuse to just ackowlege reality, players when they are old, are not the same superstar players they were when they were young. Its just as simple as that.

Steve Novak, James Jones and Ray Allen are identical players at this point in their careers, I give Novak the edge as a player between those three because currently hes the best 3 point shooter in the league. NY wouldnt trade Novak for Allen.

That's pretty funny.  I can only hope that you are joking.  Otherwise you haven't watched a lot of basketball.  Ray is a top 10 shooting guard in the NBA even at 36.  Not to mention Bradley wouldn't be half the player he is without Ray and Dooling mentoring him.

I highly doubt that Bradley wouldnt be anything if Ray wasnt there menotoring him, Bradley was drafted because he was a talented basketball player, you dont gain skills just because some veteran tells you a couple things.

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« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2012, 12:18:59 AM »

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It's amazing how often people cast Ray as a 3 point shooter.  James Jones is a 3 point shooter.  Steve Novak is a 3 point shooter.  Ray Allen is a Hall-of-Famer.  If you don't know the difference then you probably want to trade Ray Allen for OJ Mayo.


Just because your a hall of famer doesent mean your still a superstar player when your old. Shaq is a hall of famer, and one of the greatest centers of all time, but look at him last year, was fat, and could barely run up the court.

Father time is undefeated. Ray Allen was a superstar in his prime, but now he is a spot up shooter on this team and we are playing really well without him.
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« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2012, 01:43:11 AM »

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Everybody seemingly to not give a [dang] about Ray playing is really not realizing how vital Ray is if these team wants to win a championship.

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« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2012, 01:50:10 AM »

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some veteran... spot up shooter.  Unbelievable... It's like people are talking about Stojakovic or Bibby and not Ray Allen.  Ray plays more minutes than KG, Pierce and Bradley.  He's a 50-40-90 guy NOW.  He's one of the most clutch players in Basketball.  Chasing Ray around screens exhausts opponents, and spreads the floor for cutters. He is a role model for every player in the league including a certain Paul Pierce...to compare him to Bradley, Jones, Novak etc. is an insult to rationality.
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