Metta World Peace / Artest Cheap Shot (merged threads)

[Fafnir]

Should Shaq have been removed from the league after his attempted sucker punch on Brad Miller?

Should Howard be gone from the league after his attempted elbow of Sam Dalembert?

As bad as Artest's action was there is no way he should be done playing NBA ball forever. I'd be shocked if most big men haven't thrown similar cheap shot elbows high at some point of their careers. I'm all for giving Artest a long suspension (which he recieved) but being gone from the league is a massive overeaction.

To be fair from what i know im the only one calling for the guy to be kicked out of the league. You dont need to lump in others with me because they have similar arguements. Its just my personal opinion that he should have been gone after the malice in the palace.

My post was addressed to you and specifically you're opinion about him being banned from the league. I'm glad you correctly saw this.

What about Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal then? Is it just the "Malice in the Palace" incident that takes it up there?

To ban a man from the NBA forever would require either repeated drug offenses under the CBA, gambling, or being a constant danger to others on the court.

[CelticHooligan3]

I know there's plenty of CB members and guests who play the sport at the pickup level. Probabaly a few who even played in college or beyond. To me this is where it hits home. Artest is that guy on the other team who's bigger and less co-ordinated, who's maybe lost a step. Or maybe he's a football player just there to stay in shape. Either way he's the one on the court out of control. A complete wild card.

This isnt a sport you step on the court and your goal is to hurt someone. Its a part of the game and it happens but it shouldn't be your goal to severely maim or injure your oppnenet. Not in this game anyway. And i for one beleive he's toed that line far too often, and for far too long.

And yes i believe in hard playoff fouls. But within reason. One the guy should have the ball in his hands. Was Harden even holding the rock? Nope. To me theres a big difference between a hard foul and a balatant cheap shot. When a guy continuously crosses that line i just think more should be done. Unless again as i said before you plan on bringing back the NBA of the 80's. Which Stern is not so i think the punishment was far too lenient. And yes i do think that reflects a clear and blatant laker bias in this league, sorry.

[CelticHooligan3]

Should Shaq have been removed from the league after his attempted sucker punch on Brad Miller?

Should Howard be gone from the league after his attempted elbow of Sam Dalembert?

As bad as Artest's action was there is no way he should be done playing NBA ball forever. I'd be shocked if most big men haven't thrown similar cheap shot elbows high at some point of their careers. I'm all for giving Artest a long suspension (which he recieved) but being gone from the league is a massive overeaction.

To be fair from what i know im the only one calling for the guy to be kicked out of the league. You dont need to lump in others with me because they have similar arguements. Its just my personal opinion that he should have been gone after the malice in the palace.

My post was addressed to you and specifically you're opinion about him being banned from the league. I'm glad you correctly saw this.

What about Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal then? Is it just the "Malice in the Palace" incident that takes it up there?

To ban a man from the NBA forever would require either repeated drug offenses under the CBA, gambling, or being a constant danger to others on the court.

One i would argue that Artest falls into that latter catergory. Yes he's a constant danger to others. As for Jackson and Oneal i hate them both. Ive been ranting about Oneal for years now on this site. For different reasons, i wont even get into.

However their roles in that melee to me is quite different. They came to the aid of a teammate. To me thats a different case. They werent the first into the stands. Artest was. Im not even sure if Oneal made it into the stands i know for sure jackson did. Neither one has had any incident since then that was on par with this. Artest had numerous incidents before and now after. Thats the difference.

[Chelm]

Should Shaq have been removed from the league after his attempted sucker punch on Brad Miller?

Should Howard be gone from the league after his attempted elbow of Sam Dalembert?

As bad as Artest's action was there is no way he should be done playing NBA ball forever. I'd be shocked if most big men haven't thrown similar cheap shot elbows high at some point of their careers. I'm all for giving Artest a long suspension (which he recieved) but being gone from the league is a massive overeaction.

To be fair from what i know im the only one calling for the guy to be kicked out of the league. You dont need to lump in others with me because they have similar arguements. Its just my personal opinion that he should have been gone after the malice in the palace.

My post was addressed to you and specifically you're opinion about him being banned from the league. I'm glad you correctly saw this.

What about Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal then? Is it just the "Malice in the Palace" incident that takes it up there?

To ban a man from the NBA forever would require either repeated drug offenses under the CBA, gambling, or being a constant danger to others on the court.

One i would argue that Artest falls into that latter catergory. Yes he's a constant danger to others. As for Jackson and Oneal i hate them both. Ive been ranting about Oneal for years now on this site. For different reasons, i wont even get into.

However their roles in that melee to me is quite different. They came to the aid of a teammate. To me thats a different case. They werent the first into the stands. Artest was. Im not even sure if Oneal made it into the stands i know for sure jackson did. Neither one has had any incident since then that was on par with this. Artest had numerous incidents before and now after. Thats the difference.

What incident has Ron/Metta been involved in that is on par with punching a fan in the stands and receiving a 72 game suspension since the brawl?

EDIT:  Just looked it up.  Since 2004, he has been suspended for TWO total games (two 1-game suspensions) for his on-court antics.

[Fafnir]

Look at how many games Artest has played inbetween recent suspensions, to argue he's a constant danger to other NBA players doesn't hold up.

Other players have thrown viscious elbows, sat out two games, and finished their careers just fine.

[CelticHooligan3]

Should Shaq have been removed from the league after his attempted sucker punch on Brad Miller?

Should Howard be gone from the league after his attempted elbow of Sam Dalembert?

As bad as Artest's action was there is no way he should be done playing NBA ball forever. I'd be shocked if most big men haven't thrown similar cheap shot elbows high at some point of their careers. I'm all for giving Artest a long suspension (which he recieved) but being gone from the league is a massive overeaction.

To be fair from what i know im the only one calling for the guy to be kicked out of the league. You dont need to lump in others with me because they have similar arguements. Its just my personal opinion that he should have been gone after the malice in the palace.

My post was addressed to you and specifically you're opinion about him being banned from the league. I'm glad you correctly saw this.

What about Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal then? Is it just the "Malice in the Palace" incident that takes it up there?

To ban a man from the NBA forever would require either repeated drug offenses under the CBA, gambling, or being a constant danger to others on the court.

One i would argue that Artest falls into that latter catergory. Yes he's a constant danger to others. As for Jackson and Oneal i hate them both. Ive been ranting about Oneal for years now on this site. For different reasons, i wont even get into.

However their roles in that melee to me is quite different. They came to the aid of a teammate. To me thats a different case. They werent the first into the stands. Artest was. Im not even sure if Oneal made it into the stands i know for sure jackson did. Neither one has had any incident since then that was on par with this. Artest had numerous incidents before and now after. Thats the difference.

What incident has Ron/Metta been involved in that is on par with punching a fan in the stands and receiving a 72 game suspension since the brawl?

EDIT:  Just looked it up.  Since 2004, he has been suspended for TWO total games (two 1-game suspensions) for his on-court antics.

To me that's two games/suspensions too many. Enough is enough in my eyes. He should have been done after the palace incident. Thats my take. If you two wanna keep on makeing excuses for a guy like that all the more power to ya. And we can rehash this arguement when he does. Ill certainly be curious to see if either of your opinions has changed. I also tend to wonder if you were on the same court as a person like this would you have the same opinion. My guess is probably not if he did this to you or a teammate. It degenerates the game is my point. On all levels. I just dont see it being good for the sport going forward. That is all.

[Smitty77]

CelticsHooligan3,

You are not alone.  I posted this yesterday:

How in the world is two games plus the time Harden is out fair???  Harden is a totally INNOCENT victim of a madman!!  How about 20 games plus the games Harden missed??  That sound far more reasonable to me.

If Ron comes back, something worse WILL happen.  Mark my words.  Someone will really get hurt by this madman next time.

Smitty77

P.S.  Just ban him from the NBA entirely.

SMitty77

P.S.S.  The rules then need to be changed so players can be banned for life for endangering the lives of other players.  Drug use often hurts the person the most (granted it does affect others).  That should have been written into the latest NBA Agreement, although I am SURE that the Players Association would NEVER agree to such a common sense idea.  That would of course be unfair to the players:-))))))))))))

[indeedproceed]

You guys really don't like Ron Artest.

[Surferdad]

You guys really don't like Ron Artest.

Ya' think?  I'll assume you are making an attempt at sarcasm.

I hate Artest as much as anybody.  I agree he should have been gone after the Palace, but it didn't happen.

Still this incident is not enough to ban him for life.  He should be out for the rest of this season including the playoffs.  Plus, he needs to be on probation.  One more Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.-up and he's gone forever.

[Smitty77]

I agree with you Surferdad.  He should be banned for life for his previous 12 suspensions plus this latest incident in combination.  Ron is a disgrace to humanity IMHO!!

Smitty77

[Lucky17]

Bad timing for MWP.

Lakers still have the amnesty provision to use, and there's really no better candidate on their roster.

Will anyone but the most desperate of teams offer MWP a free agent contract now that he's reverted back to the old Ron-Ron? With the exception of the month leading up to Elbowgate, he looked absolutely cooked. Now he looks crazy.

[LooseCannon]

How much money will this actually cast Artest?

Reportedly, $347,849.

[Finkelskyhook]

They came to the aid of a teammate.

I must've missed the teammate O'Neal was coming to aid when he sprinted across the court and coldcocked a fan.

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For something so overtly flagrant 7 games is a joke. 

[D Dub]

Stearn views the NBPA as a cost of goods.

When you consider the TV ratings potential for a round 1 game 7 Ron Artest return, a seven game suspension makes perfect sense.

Why would he care if he takes someone else's head off in round 2? 
Truth be told, DS is probably hoping it happens, as its magnitude will drive ALL TIME ratings for ABC and ESPN.   

[D Dub]

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For something so overtly flagrant 7 games is a joke. 

only if the League cares about it's players.  Thinking that's the wrong assumption....