People really don't understand the value of Ray Allen

[Senninsage]

Yes, we need them both. No doubt about it.

[Norcalceltic]

He is who he is a spot-up shooter, nothing more nothing less.

Sadly, I agree with you. Ray is still a great shooter, but it's a little harder for him to get open. He has difficulty creating his own shot, and has trouble passing out of the double team. I'm glad he is now a 6th man, so he can torch the opposing bench. I love Ray and hope he is healthy and plays amazing in the playoffs.

[cman88]

I dont think Doc's moving Ray allen to the bench is any slight on ray as a player. It's something he has been thinking of doing the past couple of years.

1. I think at times Ray allen has lacked alot of shots playing with the first unit because they want to establish Kg/Pierce early. moving ray to the 2nd unit makes him the focal point when he comes in.

2. This is a defensive team first and foremost. and Bradley is just a much better defender than ray allen

3. Our bench is lacking a "go to scorer" now that bass is in the starting lineup. Allen is good for 14ppg off the bench

[clover]

I dont think Doc's moving Ray allen to the bench is any slight on ray as a player. It's something he has been thinking of doing the past couple of years.

1. I think at times Ray allen has lacked alot of shots playing with the first unit because they want to establish Kg/Pierce early. moving ray to the 2nd unit makes him the focal point when he comes in.

2. This is a defensive team first and foremost. and Bradley is just a much better defender than ray allen

3. Our bench is lacking a "go to scorer" now that bass is in the starting lineup. Allen is good for 14ppg off the bench

It's only a slight if Ray's perception of himself as a player in 2012 is to be more valuable than the emerging Avery Bradley.  By the sounds of it, it is.

[cman88]

well, Ray is valuable..just because he comes off the bench doesnt mean hes an inferior player....it was Ray allen who was playing late in those close games.

Jason terry, manu, harden all come off the bench for their teams, and for the same purpose...and they are all better than those starting in front of them

[Yoki_IsTheName]

well, Ray is valuable..just because he comes off the bench doesnt mean hes an inferior player....it was Ray allen who was playing late in those close games.

Jason terry, manu, harden all come off the bench for their teams, and for the same purpose...and they are all better than those starting in front of them

Spot on. I was listening to Tim Legler and he said the exact same thing.

Just because you go off the bench does not mean your not a better player than the one who's starting right now. It's all about rythym and balance for the team. He explained how Amare should go off the bench and would help the Knicks win more games. Although it's a different situation for us, the point is practically the same.

We need scoring of the bench and Ray can provide that. Bradley and Rondo is IN SYNC at the start of the game and sets up the pace.

It's no demotion for Ray Allen here. If anything, him coming off the bench makes him the best player of the team in the sense that he sacrifices being a starter for winning. 

[Eja117]

Ray doesn't have the value he once had and I think we all understand that.

Tangentially related Avery Bradley's value is looking strong.

Overlap. They're both good players. It's a nice problem to have

[Marcus13]

Ray Allen is so good that 50 year old Derek Fisher 6foot nothing can shut him down. He is who he is a spot-up shooter, nothing more nothing less.

Can't say Ive ever seen that during Ray's career

[Redz]

Really impressed with what Ray's bringing to the table tonight.

He busted his butt to get back on the court.

[Redz]

He's a really good guy to have around when your starter gets hurt too.

[Senninsage]

Ray was huge for the team today. I just don't know how we win this one without the guy. I really don't.

[LooseCannon]

Someone watch Game 3 vs the Hawks and tell me again how Ray Allen is just a spot-up shooter.

[colincb]

Someone watch Game 3 vs the Hawks and tell me again how Ray Allen is just a spot-up shooter.

Ray isn't a spot up shooter and never has been.  Spot up shooters basically hover somewhere once the ball is delivered to them and shoot or shoot off a dribble or two.  Ray does that about 19% of his plays, runs off screens otherwise 36% of the time, scores in transition 15% of the time, runs the PicknRoll 12%, with a variety of different plays making up the remaining 18%.  Rip Hamilton has a very similar profile, but is nowhere as efficient.  Why run around so much?  To get open.  Ray's 14th best in the NBA in points per possession and 4th best in effective FG% despite playing with ankle issues for most of the year.

Pavlovic is the player on the Cs with the highest percentage of spot up shooting plays with 51% followed by Pietrus at 42%.  They sit out beyond the arc waiting for the ball to come to them.

[Senninsage]

Ray has never been just a spot up shooter. He has a range of other skills, too. He just doesn't always have to utilize the rest of it, but today he made it his personal business to.

[ayer]

Ray has never been just a spot up shooter. He has a range of other skills, too. He just doesn't always have to utilize the rest of it, but today he made it his personal business to.

Shooters always has a poor night. I cant understand why you mentioned a NBA's career three point leader a NEVER BEEN JUST A SPOT UP SHOOTER....