Celtics (35-25) at Bobcats (7-49) 4/15

[Eja117]

Doubt we could have won minus Rondo in this game.

If you could replace him with a second Avery Bradley (instead of Dooling) I think we win

[thestackshow]

Rondo, Bass and Bradley combine for 64 points.

Someone look it up, whens the last time Ray, KG and PP combined for that much this season.

[GreenFaith1819]

It is absolutely hilarious to see folks throwing Ray Allen under the bus....

He's injured, right?

Wow.



LOL.....Look - I know he's older...AB has the youth advantage on him....AB is perhaps a better defender right now...AB is finding ways to score....

But let's not forget Ray Allen, folks.

Wow.

To be honest, it is shocking how dismissive some folks are about him.

I'll throw in another wow....

Wow.

[thestackshow]

It is absolutely hilarious to see folks throwing Ray Allen under the bus....

He's injured, right?

Wow.



LOL.....Look - I know he's older...AB has the youth advantage on him....AB is perhaps a better defender right now...AB is finding ways to score....

But let's not forget Ray Allen, folks.

Wow.

To be honest, it is shocking how dismissive some folks are about him.

I'll throw in another wow....

Wow.

Ray Allen is a bench specialist at this point in his career, has been for the past 2 seasons.

Hes 37. Time for us to explore younger options, Bradley is currently better on offense and way better on defense then Ray.

Ray's only really role is 3 point shooting and free throws, hes bad at everything else.

Bradley is the better player.

[Eja117]

I'm not dismissive of him. He's a good player. He just doesn't play very good defense, we don't need him as much any more, and AB surpassed him.  Truth doesn't mean we're throwing him under the bus.  

But I admit I am not always the biggest fan of players that have things handed to them that they don't deserve any more. He and JON were getting playing time they didn't deserve.

He had a great run, but it's time for him to transition to back up.  

[thestackshow]

I'm not dismissive of him. He's a good player. He just doesn't play very good defense, we don't need him as much any more, and AB surpassed him.  Truth doesn't mean we're throwing him under the bus.  

But I admit I am not always the biggest fan of players that have things handed to them that they don't deserve any more. He and JON were getting playing time they didn't deserve.

He had a great run, but it's time for him to transition to back up.  

I agree.

The main issue was that having Ray in the starting lineup didnt mesh well anymore.

Doc was clearly trying to establish KG, Bass and Pierce early because they are the easiest to get going.

Ray requires plays called for him and he has to run around screens which eats up shot clock time. Doc decided to just scrap the Ray offensive schemes and simplify the offense and just get our 3 big guns going early, and have Ray come off the bench and get his points being a main option.

We really dont lose anything by moving Ray to the bench, but we gain speed, youth, defense and athleticism by shifting Bradley into his place.

Its really a win/win situation for both players and our team.

Ray Allen isnt Ray Allen, hes 37 and way past his prime, time for people to judge the player off what hes currently capable of doing at this age, not what he did 10 years ago.

[GreenFaith1819]

But still, eja....I get the feeling with these comments that some would wish he never came back.

"What has he done lately?"

This team still needs Ray Allen - even in the capacity he's in now.

And you compared Ray and JO's situations?

I thought we didn't toss players away who just couldn't play because they were injured.

Even JO played well when he was healthy. That NY series in last year's playoffs I thought he played well.

I smh when I think of the number of folks here just a few months ago that wanted to ship AB out of town.........

[thestackshow]

But still, eja....I get the feeling with these comments that some would wish he never came back.

"What has he done lately?"

This team still needs Ray Allen - even in the capacity he's in now.

And you compared Ray and JO's situations?

I thought we didn't toss players away who just couldn't play because they were injured.

Even JO played well when he was healthy. That NY series in last year's playoffs I thought he played well.

I smh when I think of the number of folks here just a few months ago that wanted to ship AB out of town.........

JO did not play well.

He couldnt finish at the rim, was never healthy, and missed the majority of his games since signing here.

Taking 2 charges a game and playing adequete defense for a grand total of 10 games a season isnt good.

JO has been one of the worst Celtic signings ever.

Of course this team needs Ray Allen if were going to compete for a title. But this team needed a change.

At the start of the season many people wanted to blow it up, even Danny tried to blow it up, everyone knew this team needed a change, and now that we have a change, and we are even better then before, some people still want to go back to "old and slow" ball with ray starting. I just dont get it.

[Eja117]

But still, eja....I get the feeling with these comments that some would wish he never came back.

"What has he done lately?"

This team still needs Ray Allen - even in the capacity he's in now.

And you compared Ray and JO's situations?

I thought we didn't toss players away who just couldn't play because they were injured.

Even JO played well when he was healthy. That NY series in last year's playoffs I thought he played well.

I smh when I think of the number of folks here just a few months ago that wanted to ship AB out of town.........

I want Avery in his Ray's old role and Ray in Avery's old role. That's what I think would be best.

And if JON became as healthy as he was 3 months ago then he should still get no more than 5 mins per half.

It's a young man's game. Play it fast or get out of the way and don't tell me what you did 3 years ago.

[thestackshow]

But still, eja....I get the feeling with these comments that some would wish he never came back.

"What has he done lately?"

This team still needs Ray Allen - even in the capacity he's in now.

And you compared Ray and JO's situations?

I thought we didn't toss players away who just couldn't play because they were injured.

Even JO played well when he was healthy. That NY series in last year's playoffs I thought he played well.

I smh when I think of the number of folks here just a few months ago that wanted to ship AB out of town.........

I want Avery in his Ray's old role and Ray in Avery's old role. That's what I think would be best.

And if JON became as healthy as he was 3 months ago then he should still get no more than 5 mins per half.

It's a young man's game. Play it fast or get out of the way and don't tell me what you did 3 years ago.

Nice point, TP. We are younger and faster with this lineup, and are winning, everyone else needs to fall in line, and that includes Ray from the bench and whoever else slows this team down. Addition by subtraction.

[Eja117]

The most notable things Ray and JON did this year was slow down the emergence of Avery and Steams.

That's Doc's fault, not theirs.  

[GreenFaith1819]

But still, eja....I get the feeling with these comments that some would wish he never came back.

"What has he done lately?"

This team still needs Ray Allen - even in the capacity he's in now.

And you compared Ray and JO's situations?

I thought we didn't toss players away who just couldn't play because they were injured.

Even JO played well when he was healthy. That NY series in last year's playoffs I thought he played well.

I smh when I think of the number of folks here just a few months ago that wanted to ship AB out of town.........

I want Avery in his Ray's old role and Ray in Avery's old role. That's what I think would be best.

And if JON became as healthy as he was 3 months ago then he should still get no more than 5 mins per half.

It's a young man's game. Play it fast or get out of the way and don't tell me what you did 3 years ago.

So....if it's a young man's game, as you said....give me a starting lineup of:

PG - Chauncey
SG - Kobe
SF - Paul
PF - Tim Duncan
C - KG

THAT lineup will beat ANY lineup that could be put together.

It's not a young man's game.

[Eja117]

But still, eja....I get the feeling with these comments that some would wish he never came back.

"What has he done lately?"

This team still needs Ray Allen - even in the capacity he's in now.

And you compared Ray and JO's situations?

I thought we didn't toss players away who just couldn't play because they were injured.

Even JO played well when he was healthy. That NY series in last year's playoffs I thought he played well.

I smh when I think of the number of folks here just a few months ago that wanted to ship AB out of town.........

I want Avery in his Ray's old role and Ray in Avery's old role. That's what I think would be best.

And if JON became as healthy as he was 3 months ago then he should still get no more than 5 mins per half.

It's a young man's game. Play it fast or get out of the way and don't tell me what you did 3 years ago.

So....if it's a young man's game, as you said....give me a starting lineup of:

PG - Chauncey
SG - Kobe
SF - Paul
PF - Tim Duncan
C - KG

THAT lineup will beat ANY lineup that could be put together.

It's not a young man's game.

C D Howard
pf K Love
sf Lebron
sg K Durant
pg Rondo

Give me B Griffin, Avery Bradley, and Steams and you can have any 3 30 year olds you want.

[Eja117]

But still, eja....I get the feeling with these comments that some would wish he never came back.

"What has he done lately?"

This team still needs Ray Allen - even in the capacity he's in now.

And you compared Ray and JO's situations?

I thought we didn't toss players away who just couldn't play because they were injured.

Even JO played well when he was healthy. That NY series in last year's playoffs I thought he played well.

I smh when I think of the number of folks here just a few months ago that wanted to ship AB out of town.........

I want Avery in his Ray's old role and Ray in Avery's old role. That's what I think would be best.

And if JON became as healthy as he was 3 months ago then he should still get no more than 5 mins per half.

It's a young man's game. Play it fast or get out of the way and don't tell me what you did 3 years ago.

So....if it's a young man's game, as you said....give me a starting lineup of:

PG - Chauncey
SG - Kobe
SF - Paul
PF - Tim Duncan
C - KG

THAT lineup will beat ANY lineup that could be put together.

It's not a young man's game.

If that team played Kentucky tonight Kentucky wins. 

Kobe is hurt with a shin. A shin!
Kg is "resting"
PP is hurting and also "resting"
Duncan was rested last week cause he is tiiirrreedd
Chauncy has a snapped ACL

[clover]

The most notable things Ray and JON did this year was slow down the emergence of Avery and Steams.

That's Doc's fault, not theirs.  

Hey, even with JON out of the way Doc announced he had his rotation set for the end of the year--with Wilcox in and Stiemer out.