Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?

[Eja117]

I had to say no. Isn't Steams like 26 already? Perk was playing better at 21 I think. I just couldn't go that far. I could even go to maybe 80% Perk, but I just can't go that far at this time. Maybe if he got lots of minutes things could even out, but I'm just not seeing it.

[azzenfrost]

I can't compare. They play the same position and have the same game goals. But how they go about it is different.

[dark_lord]

too soon to say

[clover]

too soon to say

Too soon to say he'll definitely be as good as or better than Perk, but a good time to speculate on his potential.

[European NBA fan]

I would like to see Stiemsma go through some actual big man training, before I judge his game.

The way he has improved on rotations, hedging (which he now does better than many centers in the league - leading to steals and turnovers) and general low post defense, makes me think that he has not reached his ceiling yet.

[Rtpas11]

Greg could be better than perk over time, but not sure if he's going to be as good in Doc's system.

[Celtics18]

I can't figure out how Stiemsma's defensive rating is so out of line with his overall on court/off court numbers.

Both basketball value and 82games.com have him allowing 102 and 103 pp/100 on the court and the team at around 98 with him off the court.

I know Dean Olliver and other places rate possesions differently but that's a pretty big difference.

I just looked on NBA reference, and maybe that's a terrible place to look for these kinds of things, but they give Greg Stiemsa a defensive rating of 91 points per 100 possessions.  That's ridiculous.  By comparison, KG is second on the team at 94.

[Big_Dave31]

His post defence is not the greatest, although, it seems that it looks a little better as the season has gone on.

Offensively though, he is more valuable as he has a nice jump shot that will only get better.  Good thing about Stiemsma is that he knows his limitations.  If he gets the ball, he will pass it off and keep the ball moving, unless he has a wide open shot.

How many of you used to cringe, or, just cry out "noooooooo!" every time Perk caught the ball in the post? (I know I did every single time he got the ball and didn't pass it straight away)  Don't get me wrong, I loved Perk, but, he thought he was much better offensively than he actually was.

[Eja117]

Im pretty suprised that so many people think that Stiemsma can be as good or better than Kareem Abdul Perkins.  

Well, Stiemsma already has better defensive efficiency ratings than Perk ever has during his career. Granted, it's on a small sample size, but that's still pretty impressive.

Any stats that show that Stiemsma is a better defender than Perk in his prime are flawed.  I don't really give defensive metrics much creedence in basketball and baseball, many times they don't pass the eyeball test.

I think you're forgetting how many shots the Stiemer blocks or alters.

Yeah but with Perk I think there were a lot of guys that had to think twice about even going into the paint to be blocked in the first place

[Eja117]

This is just me, but I think if Perk hadn't played with the KGs, and Rays, and Sheeds, and PJBs and Glen Davises and instead had continued to play with Al Jefferson and Delonte and maybe Jeff Green then instead of being an 8 and 8 and 2 guy he might have been a 12,10,3 guy. I don't think Steams could do that.

I think the better Steams comparison is Montross' rookie year. He averaged like 10 and 7 that year and showed good potential. I see Steams as like that plus 2,5 blocks as a top level.  Good Montross is not as Perk in his prime.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I LIVE for the day that he gets more than 1 pass in the paint for all his hard work......as in..maybe work it to him a few more times so he can dial it in...work on a few more moves, so we have another weapon for the PLAYOFFS...as we have seen with everyone on this team, the more chances, the more positive development....oh, and one thing....don't EVEN mention PRACTICE..okay..it is now a FACT...DOC DOES NOT HOLD ANY PRACTICE...i have been saying this for a few years...if any of you read the HERALD, as i do daily, ...KG said it 5 times..NO PRACTICE..why he said it, not sure..maybe HE thinks it is DUMB to NOT practice also..!!!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well..WHAT is Perk doing NOW......where are his big #'s..?

[Eja117]

Well..WHAT is Perk doing NOW......where are his big #'s..?

Now's not his prime. He's very banged up now.

[CoachBo]

Steamer compared to Perkins?

The apocalpyse is truly upon us.

 

[azzenfrost]

If they practiced, then the C's would lose more. What would their calendar say then?

Mon - Practice
Tue - Game
Wed - Practice
Thu - Game
Fri - Practice
Sat - Game
Sun - Game

Pfft. No thanks. I want them rested for when it counts. Not exhausted by the time they have to suit up. It's not Doc's fault that there was a lockout that caused a jam packed season. Get over it.