Chad Ford Mock Draft 2.0 - Celtics Picks

[KG_ended_Bias]

Royce White = a poor man's... excuse me a homeless man's Micheal Beasley.

14-7-4 type career guy!

[indeedproceed]

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

His height and length are similar to Brandon Roy's , Greivis Vasquez, Jared Dudly and Chase Budinger this makes him decent sized shooting guard.

He's a little shorter than D-Wade. That makes him an under-sized but adequate shooting guard.

Huh?  He is 6'7" (on draft express, that is listed as his height and wingspan...although since he has no other measurements, it may not be so official).  Not sure how that is shorter than Wade, who is 6'4" soaking wet. 

Ross is big for a SG.  He is not super long, but plenty big enough to play either wing position.

Haha..I was talking about Austin Rivers, whose wingspan is also 6'7.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Austin-Rivers-5743/

My bad.

[Chris]

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

His height and length are similar to Brandon Roy's , Greivis Vasquez, Jared Dudly and Chase Budinger this makes him decent sized shooting guard.

He's a little shorter than D-Wade. That makes him an under-sized but adequate shooting guard.

Huh?  He is 6'7" (on draft express, that is listed as his height and wingspan...although since he has no other measurements, it may not be so official).  Not sure how that is shorter than Wade, who is 6'4" soaking wet. 

Ross is big for a SG.  He is not super long, but plenty big enough to play either wing position.

Haha..I was talking about Austin Rivers, whose wingspan is also 6'7.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Austin-Rivers-5743/

My bad.

Ah, that makes much more sense. 

I would prefer Ross over Rivers too.  Perhaps not if we were another team, but with the potential issues of Doc coaching his son, the difference in talent is not great enough to make it worth that risk.

[ManUp]

That being said if Myers Leonard is available when we pick we have to select him. This kid is a young athletic 5 with some post moves. There is a dearth of good 4's in the league but fairly any good fives. Most teams say they go Best Player Available with their picks, this is a case where you need to go best player available relative to talent at his position. Leonard would give us size and length which allows kg to move to the four and disrupt pick and rolls.

The last thing this team should be doing is drafting guys to play next to Garnett or any of the big three. IMO, we should be drafting BPA at every position except the point and even then if a guy slides far enough pick him up to use as a trade chip. I'm all for getting Leonard, but not to fit next to KG. Rondo is the guy we should be trying to fit players around.

[Chris]

Royce White = a poor man's... excuse me a homeless man's Micheal Beasley.

14-7-4 type career guy!

That is exactly what I was thinking.  He is Michael Beasley, but without the elite scoring ability.  And without the elite scoring ability, Beasley is not a good NBA player.  

People forget that as a freshman, Beasley averaged 26 and 12, on a pretty good Kansas State team....and he shot 53% from the field.  He was absolutely unstoppable against college defenders.  

So, if he has turned out to be a tweener in the NBA, and struggled at times against NBA defenders, I don't have a ton of hope for a guy like White.

[Evantime34]

Royce White = a poor man's... excuse me a homeless man's Micheal Beasley.

14-7-4 type career guy!

That is exactly what I was thinking.  He is Michael Beasley, but without the elite scoring ability.  And without the elite scoring ability, Beasley is not a good NBA player.  

People forget that as a freshman, Beasley averaged 26 and 12, on a pretty good Kansas State team....and he shot 53% from the field.  He was absolutely unstoppable against college defenders.  

So, if he has turned out to be a tweener in the NBA, and struggled at times against NBA defenders, I don't have a ton of hope for a guy like White.

I think White has elite passing ability for his position which Beasley never had.

I was about to make the point that White is a better rebounder, before I saw that Beasley had 12 a game in college. I wonder why he stopped boarding once he got to the league.

[CeltsAcumen]

If Fab Melo is available at 22, I am drafting a 7 footer who can rebound and block shots, not an undersized SG who played zone on the same overrated Big East team.

[Finkelskyhook]

I like the Boris Diaw comparison for Royce White. If he can be Diaw with rebounding, that would be a heck of a player to nab with a mid first round pick.

Royce White = a poor man's... excuse me a homeless man's Micheal Beasley.
14-7-4 type career guy!

Diaw is a closer comparison but not real close.  Their skill sets are similar but their approach to the game is completely different.  White is far more assertive on both ends of the court.

There are no similarities whatsoever between White and Beasley.  Rich, poor, or homeless.  White defends.  Beasley doesn't.  White is a terrific ball handler.  Beasley isn't.  White is unselfish offensively.  Beasley is a black hole.  Beasley is a much better scorer.

[goCeltics]

Tony Mitchell and Moe Harkless, not sure mitchell has declared

[Finkelskyhook]

Royce White = a poor man's... excuse me a homeless man's Micheal Beasley.

14-7-4 type career guy!

That is exactly what I was thinking.  He is Michael Beasley, but without the elite scoring ability.  And without the elite scoring ability, Beasley is not a good NBA player.  

People forget that as a freshman, Beasley averaged 26 and 12, on a pretty good Kansas State team....and he shot 53% from the field.  He was absolutely unstoppable against college defenders.  

So, if he has turned out to be a tweener in the NBA, and struggled at times against NBA defenders, I don't have a ton of hope for a guy like White.

I think White has elite passing ability for his position which Beasley never had.

I was about to make the point that White is a better rebounder, before I saw that Beasley had 12 a game in college. I wonder why he stopped boarding once he got to the league.

He doesn't have the physical advantages he had in college.  He was, in almost every college game, the best athlete on the court.  His lack of assertiveness with anything other than scoring is much more glaring now than it was in college.  A lot of what he accomplished in college beyond scoring was a product of pure athletism.

If White has his act together, his success in the NBA will be much closer to his success in college than Beasley's is.

[ianboyextreme]

Royce White is nothing like Michael Beasley. Either yall havnt seen michael beasley enough, or have never seen royce white. Literally completely opposite except for height.

[Fan from VT]

I think i like terrence Jones better than terrence Ross if he slips a couple spots or the clips pick is in that range, if Hensen isn't available with the clips pick.

Can't make up my mind about royce white.

At this time, would like to gamble on Arnett Moultrie with the second pick

Intrigued by CJ Leslie if we can get him with an acquired 2nd rounder

[drogbagarnett]

I would much rather grab Terrence Ross or Meyers Leonard than White. I don't think White, with his issues, is worth the risk in such a great draft. The risk is too high, considering there will be guys with similar upside around. I like the Waiters pick, but I would love Moultrie. I'd be very happy if we could come away with Ross and Moultrie.

Exactly my thoughts!
Take Ross 1st and then Moultrie or Meyers...

[ChampKind]

Jeffery Taylor of Vanderbilt could still be around, but he's going to move up the mocks around combine time since he's an awesome athlete.

Still, and I am biased as hell, but I'd love to get JT. He's perpetually worked to improve himself and commune his skills to an awesome athletic background. He's a high-level defender (3 straight years on the SEC All-Defense team) and he's developed a jumper to go along with a good ability to get to the basket. He shot 9% from 3 as a sophomore and 42% as a senior.

He's a bit of a headcase on the court though. He can get discouraged and fade away offensively during games if his shot isn't falling. However, his high level defense rarely falls off. Here's what he did against Michael Kidd-Gilchrist in 2012:

MKG in 3 games against Vandy:
17 points (total), 7-18 shooting, 15 rebounds, 13 fouls, 6 turnovers

JT in 3 games against UK:
50 points (total), 19-40 shooting, 29 rebounds, 9 fouls, 4 turnovers

Granted, the two weren't paired off on each other for the entirety of the time that they spent on the court, but JT acquitted himself very well against a player who is projected to be an All-Star SF. If the Celtics could get him late in the 1st round, he'd be VERY groomable behind Paul Pierce.

[Evantime34]

Jeffery Taylor of Vanderbilt could still be around, but he's going to move up the mocks around combine time since he's an awesome athlete.

Still, and I am biased as hell, but I'd love to get JT. He's perpetually worked to improve himself and commune his skills to an awesome athletic background. He's a high-level defender (3 straight years on the SEC All-Defense team) and he's developed a jumper to go along with a good ability to get to the basket. He shot 9% from 3 as a sophomore and 42% as a senior.

He's a bit of a headcase on the court though. He can get discouraged and fade away offensively during games if his shot isn't falling. However, his high level defense rarely falls off. Here's what he did against Michael Kidd-Gilchrist in 2012:

MKG in 3 games against Vandy:
17 points (total), 7-18 shooting, 15 rebounds, 13 fouls, 6 turnovers

JT in 3 games against UK:
50 points (total), 19-40 shooting, 29 rebounds, 9 fouls, 4 turnovers

Granted, the two weren't paired off on each other for the entirety of the time that they spent on the court, but JT acquitted himself very well against a player who is projected to be an All-Star SF. If the Celtics could get him late in the 1st round, he'd be VERY groomable behind Paul Pierce.

I watched the SEC tournament game where Taylor looked great against Kentucky. I also saw the round before that where they played Mississipi State (or Ole Miss) and he completely disappeared. I think he will be solid but I think their are better picks to be made in the first.