Chad Ford Mock Draft 2.0 - Celtics Picks

[Chris]

I am really not a fan of either of those picks for the C's.  They are getting a lot of headaches, and I am not sure the upside is nearly as high as Ford makes it sound. 

Totally disagree with the Royce White part, the kid is going to be really good IMO. I think he is a big difference maker and would be a big building block for the future . He has great skill and very good athletic ability with a Karl Malone type Body and Lebron James like court vision.

I mean look at some of the numbers he has put up against other front court players that will be in this draft

Royce White VS Thomas Robinson
Game 1
White = 18pts,17 rebs, 4ast,1 stl, 2 blk, 5 TO ,7/14 FG'S
Thomas= 11pts,14 rebs, 2ast,0 stl, 3 blk, 0 TO ,4/10 FG'S

Kansas Won

Game 2
White = 18pts, 9 rebs,5 ast,0 stl, 0 blk, 5 TO, 6/11 FG'S
Thomas= 13 pts,7 rebs,0 ast,1 stl, 1 blk, 5 TO,

Iowa St won



Royce White VS Perry Jones

Game 1
White =14pts, 5 rebs,4 asts ,0 blks,0 stl, 7 TO'S, 7/13 FG'S
Jones =18pts, 7 rebs,2 asts ,0 blks,1 stl, 2 TO'S, 8/13 FG'S

Baylor won

Game 2
White =11 pts, 11 rebs, 4 asts,1 blk,0 stl,3 TO'S, 3/8 FG'S
Jones =10 pts, 12 rebs, 0 asts,o blk,1 stl,0 TO'S, 5/11

Iowa st won

Roy White VS Drummond/Oriakhi
   
    Royce White = 15pts,12 rebs, 2 asts, 1 blk,0 stls, 6/9
Drummond/Oriakhi= 4 pts, 6 rebs,1 ast, 2 stls, 5 blks, 2/8

Iowa St won

Royce White VS Anthony Davis/Terrence Jones

White = 23pts, 9 rebs,4 ast,3 stls,1 blk,3 TO'S, 9/12 FG'S

Davis = 15pts,12 rebs,5 ast,0 stls,2 blk,3 TO, 4/9 FG'S
Jones =  8pts,11 rebs,3 ast,1 stls,2 blk,1 TO, 3/9 FG'S


Averages
White=16.5 PPG,10.5 RPG,4 APG,1 SPG,1 BPG,4 TOPG, 56%FG,

Thats some pretty [dang] good talent that he went against in these 6 games , 3 lottery pick big men(possibly 4 with Terrence Jones) and he more than held his own in these games. His team went 3-3 against these teams which is very respectable especially when you take into account that he got revenge vs Kansas and Baylor in the 2nd games against those team leading his team to wins.

He obviously has some weaknesses. He is turning the ball over 4 times a game and is only a 50 %ft shooter. I think he can definitely improve both of those areas. He won't have the ball in his hand every play in the NBA like he has in college and will have better understanding when and when not to make the pass. He has great court vision you can just tell if you have ever watched him play .

He is basically an automatic 15/10/5 guy in the NBA IMO . Those are Rondo like numbers. If he is around when the c's pick at 17 there's no way you can pass on a kid with this much talent,IQ and physical ability. Hell I would even trade up to get the kid if that's what it takes. After Anthony Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist I think White has the most talent and upside and he already has an NBA Body

Get this kid Danny !!!

Those numbers actually make me feel more confident in my assessment.  Basically, I see him as a guy who has the ball in his hands a ton, and is just as likely to turn the ball over as he is to actually make something positive happen with it. 

He is not big enough to be a full time PF, and he is not quick enough to be a full time SF. 

He can put up decent stats in college because of his strength, but he has not been anything close to dominant IMO. 

He is another tweener 3/4, that can be beat up on college defenses, but is going to struggle when everyone is at least as, if not more, big and athletic than he is on the next level. 

And this isn't even getting into the mental issues.

[ianboyextreme]

I am really not a fan of either of those picks for the C's.  They are getting a lot of headaches, and I am not sure the upside is nearly as high as Ford makes it sound. 

Totally disagree with the Royce White part, the kid is going to be really good IMO. I think he is a big difference maker and would be a big building block for the future . He has great skill and very good athletic ability with a Karl Malone type Body and Lebron James like court vision.

I mean look at some of the numbers he has put up against other front court players that will be in this draft

Royce White VS Thomas Robinson
Game 1
White = 18pts,17 rebs, 4ast,1 stl, 2 blk, 5 TO ,7/14 FG'S
Thomas= 11pts,14 rebs, 2ast,0 stl, 3 blk, 0 TO ,4/10 FG'S

Kansas Won

Game 2
White = 18pts, 9 rebs,5 ast,0 stl, 0 blk, 5 TO, 6/11 FG'S
Thomas= 13 pts,7 rebs,0 ast,1 stl, 1 blk, 5 TO,

Iowa St won



Royce White VS Perry Jones

Game 1
White =14pts, 5 rebs,4 asts ,0 blks,0 stl, 7 TO'S, 7/13 FG'S
Jones =18pts, 7 rebs,2 asts ,0 blks,1 stl, 2 TO'S, 8/13 FG'S

Baylor won

Game 2
White =11 pts, 11 rebs, 4 asts,1 blk,0 stl,3 TO'S, 3/8 FG'S
Jones =10 pts, 12 rebs, 0 asts,o blk,1 stl,0 TO'S, 5/11

Iowa st won

Roy White VS Drummond/Oriakhi
   
    Royce White = 15pts,12 rebs, 2 asts, 1 blk,0 stls, 6/9
Drummond/Oriakhi= 4 pts, 6 rebs,1 ast, 2 stls, 5 blks, 2/8

Iowa St won

Royce White VS Anthony Davis/Terrence Jones

White = 23pts, 9 rebs,4 ast,3 stls,1 blk,3 TO'S, 9/12 FG'S

Davis = 15pts,12 rebs,5 ast,0 stls,2 blk,3 TO, 4/9 FG'S
Jones =  8pts,11 rebs,3 ast,1 stls,2 blk,1 TO, 3/9 FG'S


Averages
White=16.5 PPG,10.5 RPG,4 APG,1 SPG,1 BPG,4 TOPG, 56%FG,

Thats some pretty [dang] good talent that he went against in these 6 games , 3 lottery pick big men(possibly 4 with Terrence Jones) and he more than held his own in these games. His team went 3-3 against these teams which is very respectable especially when you take into account that he got revenge vs Kansas and Baylor in the 2nd games against those team leading his team to wins.

He obviously has some weaknesses. He is turning the ball over 4 times a game and is only a 50 %ft shooter. I think he can definitely improve both of those areas. He won't have the ball in his hand every play in the NBA like he has in college and will have better understanding when and when not to make the pass. He has great court vision you can just tell if you have ever watched him play .

He is basically an automatic 15/10/5 guy in the NBA IMO . Those are Rondo like numbers. If he is around when the c's pick at 17 there's no way you can pass on a kid with this much talent,IQ and physical ability. Hell I would even trade up to get the kid if that's what it takes. After Anthony Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist I think White has the most talent and upside and he already has an NBA Body

Get this kid Danny !!!

great stats. i would definetly take him over perry jones and andre drummond. some people just like the wow factor over actual skill.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Im okay with the Royce White pick.

The Dion Waiters pick does intrigue me. He's good, and I like that pick. But if Terrence Ross is still avalable and we pick him, I think that will be a miss for us. I'd go as much to say that I'd take Will Barton over him. Barton is not a better defender and not as physical, but he's a better scorer and he's longer (he's 6'6''), and a better athlete, and for me could better transition in the NBA.

Why not just grab a big man for the second first? Moultrie, Plumlee and Fab Melo is available there.

[Finkelskyhook]

Another example where stats are irrelevent.

White was essentially to ISU what the messiah is to the Heat.

Essentially the point guard in an undersized power forward's body, chief ball handler, team's best defender, and ISU's top rebounder.  All without even a pinky's worth of the messiah's athletism.  Like the messiah....White is unselfish to a fault offensively.  

White would not have close to that offensive freedom  in the NBA.  He's a better, more offensively talented version of Glen Davis....Albiet with more baggage.  Like Davis, he's too small to play the 4 and not quick enough to play 3.  

I'd love to have White on our roster.  On the second unit.  I think he'll fall to the second round.  I could see Danny trading up to get him in the second round if White did fall

[Geo123]

Why is Meyers Leonard ranked down at #20?

He sounds like a top ten pick from his profile on draftexpress. Anybody got any insights? About why he is ranked so low?

If we choose White over Leonard with our lack of bigs I would be extremely dissappointed.  Plus I really don't think that White has the quickness to be a SF like Ford lists him...

[CFAN38]

But if Terrence Ross is still avalable and we pick him, I think that will be a miss for us. I'd go as much to say that I'd take Will Barton over him.

Whats the basis of the poor opinion on Ross? Ive seen him play and he passes the eye test. Has good size 6'6. Average length 6'7 wingspan and is a very efficient college scorer. He seems like the perfect pick at 18.

[Who]

But if Terrence Ross is still avalable and we pick him, I think that will be a miss for us. I'd go as much to say that I'd take Will Barton over him.

Whats the basis of the poor opinion on Ross? Ive seen him play and he passes the eye test. Has good size 6'6. Average length 6'7 wingspan and is a very efficient college scorer. He seems like the perfect pick at 18.

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

What is his standing reach? 

[Chris]

Another example where stats are irrelevent.

White was essentially to ISU what the messiah is to the Heat.

Essentially the point guard in an undersized power forward's body, chief ball handler, team's best defender, and ISU's top rebounder.  All without even a pinky's worth of the messiah's athletism.  Like the messiah....White is unselfish to a fault offensively.  

White would not have close to that offensive freedom  in the NBA.  He's a better, more offensively talented version of Glen Davis....Albiet with more baggage.  Like Davis, he's too small to play the 4 and not quick enough to play 3.  

I'd love to have White on our roster.  On the second unit.  I think he'll fall to the second round.  I could see Danny trading up to get him in the second round if White did fall

This.

But if Terrence Ross is still avalable and we pick him, I think that will be a miss for us. I'd go as much to say that I'd take Will Barton over him.

Whats the basis of the poor opinion on Ross? Ive seen him play and he passes the eye test. Has good size 6'6. Average length 6'7 wingspan and is a very efficient college scorer. He seems like the perfect pick at 18.

I love Ross.  I have only seen him a couple times, and while I am not sure he will be a star (although he has the potential), he is a lock to be a quality NBA rotation player IMO.  He is a very good defender, has good size, and is a very good athlete.  While his offensive game is still developing, he passes the biggest test for me, when it comes to a shooter.  He has a lightning quick release, and a high release point.  This is what sets apart good college shooters who can only hit wide open shots in the NBA (our own Moore is a great example of this ), and true weapons in the NBA.  

At the very least, he will be a guy who will be able to defend the 2 and 3, and will be a killer catch and shoot guy (which is something Rondo needs), but he is just a little more work on his ballhandling away from being a pretty complete player.

In other words, I would be very happy to have Ross in Boston, and would probably be my top choice of all of the wings that might be available when they pick.

Of course, I also don't expect him to be on the board when we pick.  I think he will shoot up draft boards as teams get him in for workouts, and as other guys start slipping/dropping out.

[Who]

I like the Boris Diaw comparison for Royce White. If he can be Diaw with rebounding, that would be a heck of a player to nab with a mid first round pick.

[Evantime34]

First off I like Royce White. He has the passing and scoring ability to fit in with this team immediately. I expect him to get in much better shape (not to say he's fat but he could certainly trim up to improve his athleticism) during the offseason and under a good training staff. The biggest hole in his game seems to be his jump shooting, but he has a solid looking stroke and good touch which will eventually translate to him being a good shooter.

That being said if Myers Leonard is available when we pick we have to select him. This kid is a young athletic 5 with some post moves. There is a dearth of good 4's in the league but fairly any good fives. Most teams say they go Best Player Available with their picks, this is a case where you need to go best player available relative to talent at his position. Leonard would give us size and length which allows kg to move to the four and disrupt pick and rolls.

Love the Dion Waiters selection. This team is short guys who can create their own shot. We have a ton of players who will knock down a shot that is created for them but not so many that can take their man one on one get into the lane and make something happen.

[CFAN38]

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

His height and length are similar to Brandon Roy's , Greivis Vasquez, Jared Dudly and Chase Budinger this makes him decent sized shooting guard.

[indeedproceed]

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

His height and length are similar to Brandon Roy's , Greivis Vasquez, Jared Dudly and Chase Budinger this makes him decent sized shooting guard.

He's a little shorter than D-Wade. That makes him an under-sized but adequate shooting guard.

[Evantime34]

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

His height and length are similar to Brandon Roy's , Greivis Vasquez, Jared Dudly and Chase Budinger this makes him decent sized shooting guard.

He's a little shorter than D-Wade. That makes him an under-sized but adequate shooting guard.

Are we still talking about Terrence Ross here? Dwyane Wade is 6'4, Ross is 6'6. If you were talking about Waiters they probably are about the same size.

[Chris]

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

His height and length are similar to Brandon Roy's , Greivis Vasquez, Jared Dudly and Chase Budinger this makes him decent sized shooting guard.

He's a little shorter than D-Wade. That makes him an under-sized but adequate shooting guard.

Huh?  He is 6'7" (on draft express, that is listed as his height and wingspan...although since he has no other measurements, it may not be so official).  Not sure how that is shorter than Wade, who is 6'4" soaking wet.  

Ross is big for a SG.  He is not super long, but plenty big enough to play either wing position.

[Who]

His wingspan is only 6-7? That's a little bit worrying. Wingspan for NBA players should be 3-4 inches longer than their height. His wingspan is well below average. Short arms.

His height and length are similar to Brandon Roy's , Greivis Vasquez, Jared Dudly and Chase Budinger this makes him decent sized shooting guard.

He's a little shorter than D-Wade. That makes him an under-sized but adequate shooting guard.

Huh?  He is 6'7" (on draft express, that is listed as his height and wingspan...although since he has no other measurements, it may not be so official).  Not sure how that is shorter than Wade, who is 6'4" soaking wet. 

Ross is big for a SG.  He is not super long, but plenty big enough to play either wing position.

Sounds more like a one position player to me. Someone whose game is liable to drop off significantly when used as a small forward due to lack of physical size (length/bulk).

But that's not a problem. He should do fine as a one position player.