KG Wants C's to Resign Stiemsma Next Year

[camboceltic]

I want to echo that this sounds like a confirmation from KG that he's retiring in Green!  This might hint at DA's long term plans!

[Who]

Definitely should be re-signed.

Stiemsma is a very interesting multi-year project that has strong parallels to Joel Anthony and how Miami developed him. Boston needs to re-sign Stiemsma and develop him. In two more years (or maybe even by the end of next season if it comes together quickly for him), Stiemsma can be one of the better backup centers (top ten, maybe top five) in the NBA.

One should never let talented size leave especially when it's cheap. Signing an established veteran who can do what Stiemsma offers two years from now will cost 3 times as much as Stiemsma will be available for this summer.

The Celtics need to keep Stiemsma.

[mctyson]

Other than blocked shots and hustle, both of which are great, Perkins has a long way to go. He still cannot stop fouling people and his offense is still lacking. In addition, he turns the ball over at a pretty high rate. Right now he is a good third string center and I would not mind having him on the Celtics for the right price. Not $3 million a year.

There, I fixed that for you.

[vinnie]

Other than blocked shots and hustle, both of which are great, Perkins has a long way to go. He still cannot stop fouling people and his offense is still lacking. In addition, he turns the ball over at a pretty high rate. Right now he is a good third string center and I would not mind having him on the Celtics for the right price. Not $3 million a year.

There, I fixed that for you.

Funny. Perkins is a third string center starting for the team with the best record in the west and either the second or third best record in the NBA. You lose. If you are comparing Perkins to Stiemsma, I think you need to watch a little more basketball.

[thestackshow]

Lets not derail this thread into a Perkins vs Steimsma thread.

Both are mediocre players that are only critical because during this era of the NBA, centers that play defense are extremely rare.

[Celtics4ever]

He is servicable.

[Smitty77]

Perkins:  8.86 Efficiency Rating, shooting 45.3% from the field, 64% from the line (career high), and averaging almost 2 turnovers per assist.

Stiemsma:  4.83 Efficiency Rating, shooting 42.6% from the field, 63.6% from the line, and only 1.5 turnovers per assist.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Also, KP gets to play with Durant and Westbrook and Harden.

Smitty77

[vinnie]

Perkins:  8.86 Efficiency Rating, shooting 45.3% from the field, 64% from the line (career high), and averaging almost 2 turnovers per assist.

Stiemsma:  4.83 Efficiency Rating, shooting 42.6% from the field, 63.6% from the line, and only 1.5 turnovers per assist.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Also, KP gets to play with Durant and Westbrook and Harden.

Smitty77

And how many "real" minutes has Stiemsma played while amassing those stats. Have you seen Stiemsma try to guard any semi-legit center one-on-one? He can't.

[LooseCannon]

Let's all throw out stats
Stiemsma 10.9 PER, .463 true shooting %, 14.8 total rebounding %. 0.099 WS/48
Perkins 7.5 PER, .509 TS%, 13.3 TRB%. 0.037 WS/48

[Finkelskyhook]

Let's all throw out stats
Stiemsma 10.9 PER, .463 true shooting %, 14.8 total rebounding %. 0.099 WS/48
Perkins 7.5 PER, .509 TS%, 13.3 TRB%. 0.037 WS/48

Throwing out those stats is probably the best option because they're totally meaningless.

Perk is a hundredfold the player and is getting paid like it.  Perk anchors a defense like Garnett.  Stiemsma blocks shots and is learning positioning and team defense.  There is no comparison.

Stiemsma is improving every time he's on the court and has earned a roster spot for next season. 

[LooseCannon]

Since Perkins has a long-term deal, you have to consider how good he plays over the lifetime of the deal and not just now.  Can you honestly say it would be shocking if Stiemsma turned out to be clearly the better value at center two years from now?

[Celts Fan 92]

3 years 9 Million, Steamer gets paid has some type of financial security. Small movable contract for the Celtics that can't possibly harm them. Every one is happy.

3 years and 9 million for a guy who's played at the level of a third string center?

Anthony Toliver level money but with another year, no thanks.

This. If Danny pays $9 million over three years for Stiemsma he will have lost all credibility.

do you understand how many centers get overpaid in today's NBA? thats a solid deal for Steimsma dude can be a backup or even starter next year he's not a 3rd string player lol if Kwame Brown can get $7 mil per year why is it a stretch for Steamroller to get $3 mil a year?

First, please tell me for whom Stiemsma could start.

Other than blocked shots and hustle, both of which are great, Stiemsma has a long way to go. He still cannot guard a big man one-on-one and his offense is still lacking. In addition, he turns the ball over at a pretty high rate. Right now he is a good third string center and I would not mind having him on the Celtics for the right price. Not $3 million a year.

my point was centers are the most overpaid positions in the league $3 mil a year aint a reach for Steamer i think given the right minutes steamer can average 8-10 ppg 5-7 rpg nd 2 bpg worth the contract

[the_Bird]

Since Perkins has a long-term deal, you have to consider how good he plays over the lifetime of the deal and not just now.  Can you honestly say it would be shocking if Stiemsma turned out to be clearly the better value at center two years from now?

If The Steimstress is as good in two years as Perkins is today, someone's going to offer him a deal something like...  oh, four years, $30M.  Big men ALWAYS get overpaid, people seem to want to forget that there's always a team that will overpay for any talent at the 5 spot.  As we (more than any other team) is so well-aware, it's not that easy to get a legit big man.

I get that Perkins is an imperfect player.  I get (kinda) Danny's decision to trade him for (perceived) value, since he didn't want a Perk extension to impinge on his cap space this summer (not that the cap space is likely to do us any good).

What I don't get is what seems to be this irrational hatred of Perk.  The only people that ever seem to complain about what Perk brings to the table, or how much he's paid, are Celtics fans.

Steimer blocks shots; that's about it.  That's nice, and you see signs that maybe he can develop into something else, but he's pretty much the polar opposite of Perk in most regards.  He's certainly isn't a guy that you ever expect will anchor a top-tier defense.

EDIT: I did this last summer, I don't feel like doing it again.  Take whatever list of "good," starting-caliber NBA centers you want, and look at how much people are getting paid.  Except for guys on their rookie deals, you don't see too many players earning materially less than Perk.  $8M-$9M/year is pretty much the minimum going rate for a starting 5.

[ForexPirate]

i like steamer and he's only going to get better - how much better - legit back-up is probably his ceiling

[LooseCannon]

What I don't get is what seems to be this irrational hatred of Perk.  The only people that ever seem to complain about what Perk brings to the table, or how much he's paid, are Celtics fans.

I don't have an irrational hatred of Perk.  I do have a quite rational hatred of people who keep whining about the trade of Perk.