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Re: Howard (player & GM)
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2012, 02:28:28 PM »

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Why shouldn't Dwight Howard be able to control where he wants to play? From the moment players are drafted, they're 'told' where they are going to play. So when Dwight gets a free-agency opportunity, why shouldn't he be entitled to work something out?

Billy Hunter is that you?  I'm not talking about whether he shouldn't be able to control his destiny.  I don't care if he wants to hit free agency and see what happens because that is his free right to do so.  I don't like when a player knows he is about to lose about $30 million over the life of a contract and tries to force a trade to a team of his choosing before his contract is up.  All evidence points to this as his agents have gotten permission to seek trades to specific teams.  And I'm not talking about the "sources close to Howard" because these are usually just leaks, but the permission to speak to teams has to come from the agent who is working for what Howard wants.



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Dwight Howard has been in Orlando for 7 years. That's 7 years for Otis Smith to find him a second star who he could pair next to Howard.

The best he ever did was a motivated Turkoglu and a still-in his prime-Rashard Lewis.

Just because Otis Smith is 'trying' doesn't mean Howard owes him anything. I don't think there is anything wrong with how Howard is handling this, aside from him not demanding a trade to Boston for expiring contracts.

This is the problem with players.  I don't blame Dwight for the early misteps of Smith (i.e. Fran Vasquez), I'm talking about trades that are made because players demand something be done like Dwight is doing now.  

In this scenario Smith is trying to trade the crap on his roster for something valuable but it is near impossible because they're trading in a Hyundai for a Ferrari.  Suppose Smith pulls off a Monta Ellis heist by giving up a bunch of garbage.  He also takes back the bloated contract of Beidrins and then has to hope that Ellis can play Orlando's style. This could ultimately be a great trade or a very bad trade that makes Smith look even more imcompetent.

I'm not saying Smith is a great GM because I think he is terrible but it's a lot harder to make a three under pressure than it is when you're wide open at the top of the key, and the same goes for being a GM.  Let the man do his job.
How could trading garbage for a star be a bad move. 
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Re: Howard (player & GM)
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2012, 02:55:02 PM »

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If Dwight Howard does stay, I think that will mean the end of SVG.

I think he'll keep Otis Smith around.

Re: Howard (player & GM)
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2012, 03:19:34 PM »

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The more stories I read about Dwight and the more quotes he gives make me want him less and less.  It's sad that the players have this much control nowadays.  He's backing Orlando into a corner much like Lebron did with Cleveland, so they are forced to make horrible trades in order to try and win it all to keep them happy.

If these guys would let the management slowly build the core of the team (like Durant in OKC), then they would have an exciting team for years to come.  Granted Smith is certainly no Presti and has often times looked more like Isaiah.
The thing is, Orlando and Cleveland both had plenty of time to build a legit team around their star.  In fact both teams made the NBA finals and then decided to tinker with the lineup they had rather than making smart long term basketball decisions.  Neither team made it back to the finals after the tinkering began and both blew lottery picks right the drafts after they landed their star.  Cleveland took Luke Jackson in 2004 and didn't have the lottery pick in 2005 from a 1997 trade.  Orlando took Fran Vasquez (who never played in the NBA) in 2005 and then did ok with JJ Redick in 2006.  Cleveland also had that debacle with Boozer after James' rookie year. 

If you were James and Howard and you witnessed terrible move after terrible move, what would you do?  How many years do you have to give a franchise before you realize they don't know what they are doing and look to move on to brighter pastures?  Now at least Orlando brought in a new basketball man before Howard's contract is up.  Perhaps this new guy will show Howard he knows what he is doing and convince him that things are different now, but he has a lot of work to do.

  You can't let James off the hook for what went on in Cleveland. He didn't want them to build a winner around him, he was always in "win now" mode and kept pressing for immediate help.

All great players want to win and win now, it isn't James' fault the Cavs totally blew it.  They made awful move after awful move.  Their drafts were terrible.  Free agent signings were even worse and the trades were terrible.  You can be in win now mode and not totally blow it.

To add to this, it's not the players fault because they have little leverage to demand anything in the first place (during the non-contract years).

Dwight has leverage now because he's in a contract year, Carmelo had leverage because he was in a contract year, etc.  But what excuse did the GM have for terrible moves before the contract year?  A player with 2-3 years left on his contract is demanding a trade?  He can sulk, but you can make him play out his contract too.  None of these mega stars are going to sit out or sulk too much, because their image is worth too much.

So let Dwight and LeBron demand help in non-contract years all they want.  You only really have to make them happy during that contract year.  Sure Dwight was probably happy in 2007 when the Magic signed Rashard Lewis, he was probably happy in 2009 when they traded for Vince Carter, but I'd bet he'd be happier now if they didn't make those moves and instead waited using cap room and trading young assets to sign or trade for Chris Paul or Deron or Carmelo or maybe one a couple of the many minor stars (Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson, Zach Randolph, Lamar Odom, etc.) that have been traded since.


Remember when Kobe wanted the Lakers to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd in '07?  I really think about 90% of GM's would have made that trade to appease their star and win now (and I think this is what happened with a lot of the Magic and Cavs moves over the past few years).  Hey a proven All-Star for an unproven 2nd year player and I make my franchise player happy too? Done!  (Although, I wish that trade did happen because I doubt the Kobe/Kidd tandem would have 2 rings).  Your the GM, you need to a have vision for the future, not just the current season.  Your star will quickly forget how unhappy he was before if you're winning and the future looks bright in his contract year.
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Re: Howard (player & GM)
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2012, 11:35:50 PM »

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Re: Howard (player & GM)
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2012, 10:07:52 AM »

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The more stories I read about Dwight and the more quotes he gives make me want him less and less.  It's sad that the players have this much control nowadays.  He's backing Orlando into a corner much like Lebron did with Cleveland, so they are forced to make horrible trades in order to try and win it all to keep them happy.

If these guys would let the management slowly build the core of the team (like Durant in OKC), then they would have an exciting team for years to come.  Granted Smith is certainly no Presti and has often times looked more like Isaiah.
The thing is, Orlando and Cleveland both had plenty of time to build a legit team around their star.  In fact both teams made the NBA finals and then decided to tinker with the lineup they had rather than making smart long term basketball decisions.  Neither team made it back to the finals after the tinkering began and both blew lottery picks right the drafts after they landed their star.  Cleveland took Luke Jackson in 2004 and didn't have the lottery pick in 2005 from a 1997 trade.  Orlando took Fran Vasquez (who never played in the NBA) in 2005 and then did ok with JJ Redick in 2006.  Cleveland also had that debacle with Boozer after James' rookie year. 

If you were James and Howard and you witnessed terrible move after terrible move, what would you do?  How many years do you have to give a franchise before you realize they don't know what they are doing and look to move on to brighter pastures?  Now at least Orlando brought in a new basketball man before Howard's contract is up.  Perhaps this new guy will show Howard he knows what he is doing and convince him that things are different now, but he has a lot of work to do.

  You can't let James off the hook for what went on in Cleveland. He didn't want them to build a winner around him, he was always in "win now" mode and kept pressing for immediate help.

All great players want to win and win now, it isn't James' fault the Cavs totally blew it.  They made awful move after awful move.  Their drafts were terrible.  Free agent signings were even worse and the trades were terrible.  You can be in win now mode and not totally blow it.

To add to this, it's not the players fault because they have little leverage to demand anything in the first place (during the non-contract years).

Dwight has leverage now because he's in a contract year, Carmelo had leverage because he was in a contract year, etc.  But what excuse did the GM have for terrible moves before the contract year?  A player with 2-3 years left on his contract is demanding a trade?  He can sulk, but you can make him play out his contract too.  None of these mega stars are going to sit out or sulk too much, because their image is worth too much.

So let Dwight and LeBron demand help in non-contract years all they want.  You only really have to make them happy during that contract year.  Sure Dwight was probably happy in 2007 when the Magic signed Rashard Lewis, he was probably happy in 2009 when they traded for Vince Carter, but I'd bet he'd be happier now if they didn't make those moves and instead waited using cap room and trading young assets to sign or trade for Chris Paul or Deron or Carmelo or maybe one a couple of the many minor stars (Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson, Zach Randolph, Lamar Odom, etc.) that have been traded since.


Remember when Kobe wanted the Lakers to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd in '07?  I really think about 90% of GM's would have made that trade to appease their star and win now (and I think this is what happened with a lot of the Magic and Cavs moves over the past few years).  Hey a proven All-Star for an unproven 2nd year player and I make my franchise player happy too? Done!  (Although, I wish that trade did happen because I doubt the Kobe/Kidd tandem would have 2 rings).  Your the GM, you need to a have vision for the future, not just the current season.  Your star will quickly forget how unhappy he was before if you're winning and the future looks bright in his contract year.

Great post.  I know the Cavs tried to land Amare and the Suns pulled out at the last minute, and had that happened Lebron may still be in Cleveland.  If Bosh would have gone to Cleveland, they both would be in Cleveland now, but the Amare trade didn't happen and Bosh refused to go to Cleveland.  Sucks for them, but perhaps if the Cavs had better assets, they could have made trades to get a real star.  I mean the Celtics traded a bunch of middle to late first round picks and second round picks to land Kevin Garnett.  Terrible management is the main reason Lebron left Cleveland and will more than likely be the reason Howard leaves Orlando for New Jersey.  Heck, if Orlando didn't bring in Richardson or Davis, they would probably have been able to keep Dwight and bring in Deron, but they wasted the cap space on players that won't put them over the top (more than likely).   Sometimes no move is the best move.
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