Either trade a draft pick for Kaman or trade everyone for Draft Picks

[LarBrd33]

I'm laying it out there... the Hornets want a 1st rounder for Kaman.  They are talking a tough game right now... pretending like they aren't going to buy out Kaman... even suggesting that they will try to extend him.  Whether you buy into it or not, I see Kaman as the only real (and available) hope the Celtics have of making a dent in the playoffs this year.  

He's a legit 7 feet, 260.  This month he's proving he's still a quality starting center in this league.  Averaging 15 points, 9 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.5 blocks in 33 minutes per game.  He pulled down 16 rebounds tonight...  THe only player on our entire freakin team who has pulled down that many boards this year is Rondo (in his otherworldy overtime performance).  

Tell me the guy is slow and has bad hands.  I don't care.  At the VERY least he's on Perk's level.  

Offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling (all expiring) + a 2nd rounder:  
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7f5b4eq

If they don't take that, offer them JO, Bass, Dooling (all expiring) + a 2nd rounder

If they don't take that offer them JO, Bass, Dooling (all expiring) + two 2nd rounders

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling and Johnson

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling, Johnson and a 2nd..

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling and the worst of our two first rounders...

Just get it done.

Now you might be saying, "a 1st rounder is too much to give up for a Kaman rental"... to that I say, "OK!"... In which case, you must feel a Ray Allen rental isn't worth passing up a late first rounder (which I'm sure we could get from a team like Chicago)...  

BOttom line, either you're on the "Trade a 1st for Kaman" bandwagon or you're on the "Trade Pierce and Ray for 1sts" bandwagon.  I don't see a middle ground.  You're either going for a playoff run this year or you're not.  Make a decision.  You can't have it both ways.  Without a center we're likely swept in round 1... so why bother hanging onto Ray Allen?

I'm sick of people arguing with me, "I'd rather hang onto Ray for the remainder of the season than get a late 1st rounder... a late 1st rounder stinks... there is no guarantee it will pan out"... To that I say, "Great!"... you will not mind giving up a late 1st rounder for Kaman, then. 

[tyrone biggums]

Who would be the player that the Celtics would have to take back to make the contracts work in a deal like the one you proposed for Ray? Its not as seamless as the Celtics trading Ray straight up for a 1st, the Celtics will have to pay a price to do so. The price is a garbage contract with any team that will move a 1st rounder for Ray Allen. Why would we do this, when the main argument against going into free agency is that the Celtics would have to overpay a free agent to come here? You're doing the exact same thing by taking on a bad contract, the only difference is you're getting the 30th overall pick as compensation for making your team junk for the next 2-3 years.

You can absolutely have it both ways...trade for a guy like Kurt Thomas and a scoring wing with the non Big 4 expiring contracts and then let these contracts expire and enjoy the cap space and the two first rounders that the Celtics already have. Its not prudent to overpay for Kaman.

[LarBrd33]

Who would be the player that the Celtics would have to take back to make the contracts work in a deal like the one you proposed for Ray? Its not as seamless as the Celtics trading Ray straight up for a 1st, the Celtics will have to pay a price to do so. The price is a garbage contract with any team that will move a 1st rounder for Ray Allen

Wrong

Pick any two of Korver, Brewer and Watson.  None of them have guaranteed contracts next year.  Essentially they are all expiring deals.  None of them lock us into long-term money.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7zsd736

I'm sure chicago could and would part with a late 1st rounder for Ray Allen. 

[LarBrd33]

You can absolutely have it both ways...trade for a guy like Kurt Thomas and a scoring wing with the non Big 4 expiring contracts and then let these contracts expire and enjoy the cap space and the two first rounders that the Celtics already have. Its not prudent to overpay for Kaman.

Yeah ok... Kurt Thomas oughta do it 

You wouldn't be overpaying for Kaman.  You'd be giving up a late 1st rounder to rent him.  Just like the Bulls would be giving up a late 1st rounder to rent Ray.  Either way, pick a side.

[JOMVP]

I think Danny owes it to this team to go get them a big. It's still amazing to me that they are ranked third in the league in defense when they give up so many second chance opportunities and scores. Imagine if we had a big tha could actually control the boards and limit those possessions? Our defense would be legendary.

Point being. I still think this team has a chance at making a run if they get a big and another bench scorer. They should make the deal for Kaman.

[Rtpas11]

I Rather McGee... Love Kaman though, but McGee is what i'll look into trading for. Immature yes, inexperienced yes, but has the talent & lack the surrounding maturation. On the Celtics he'll be a far better player.

Wilcox + 1st rounder
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=76trvvf
or J.O., Wilcox + 2 1st rounders
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7u93hsk

[esel1000]

I think Danny owes it to this team to go get them a big. It's still amazing to me that they are ranked third in the league in defense when they give up so many second chance opportunities and scores. Imagine if we had a big tha could actually control the boards and limit those possessions? Our defense would be legendary.

Point being. I still think this team has a chance at making a run if they get a big and another bench scorer. They should make the deal for Kaman.

agreed id give up a late first rounder for kaman... hell not like docs gonna play the rookie anyway haha

[thestackshow]

This is the last year we will be a playoff team, enjoy it while it lasts, next year and onward we will be another sub .500 team in the east for probably another 20 years.

Why are you so eager to go back to being one of the worst teams in the league? Rondo will probably stop trying and demand a trade in the near future as well.

[Evantime34]

I Rather McGee... Love Kaman though, but McGee is what i'll look into trading for. Immature yes, inexperienced yes, but has the talent & lack the surrounding maturation. On the Celtics he'll be a far better player.

Wilcox + 1st rounder
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=76trvvf
or J.O., Wilcox + 2 1st rounders
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7u93hsk

Agreed. However, I don't think washington does the first deal and tge second deal should only cost us one pick since we're taking blatch and his stupid contract.

I'm starting to think a move is unlikely. I don't expect us to give up a first for a one year rental and I don't see us giving up cap space. The exception being if dwight is traded then I expect Danny to be more willing to pick up a salary like blatche's. If jo and wilcox are done for the year wouldn't be shocked  if we cut then and just signed d league bigs.

[Celtics18]

I'm laying it out there... the Hornets want a 1st rounder for Kaman.  They are talking a tough game right now... pretending like they aren't going to buy out Kaman... even suggesting that they will try to extend him.  Whether you buy into it or not, I see Kaman as the only real (and available) hope the Celtics have of making a dent in the playoffs this year.  

He's a legit 7 feet, 260.  This month he's proving he's still a quality starting center in this league.  Averaging 15 points, 9 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.5 blocks in 33 minutes per game.  He pulled down 16 rebounds tonight...  THe only player on our entire freakin team who has pulled down that many boards this year is Rondo (in his otherworldy overtime performance).  

Tell me the guy is slow and has bad hands.  I don't care.  At the VERY least he's on Perk's level.  

Offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling (all expiring) + a 2nd rounder:  
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7f5b4eq

If they don't take that, offer them JO, Bass, Dooling (all expiring) + a 2nd rounder

If they don't take that offer them JO, Bass, Dooling (all expiring) + two 2nd rounders

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling and Johnson

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling, Johnson and a 2nd..

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling and the worst of our two first rounders...

Just get it done.

Now you might be saying, "a 1st rounder is too much to give up for a Kaman rental"... to that I say, "OK!"... In which case, you must feel a Ray Allen rental isn't worth passing up a late first rounder (which I'm sure we could get from a team like Chicago)...  

BOttom line, either you're on the "Trade a 1st for Kaman" bandwagon or you're on the "Trade Pierce and Ray for 1sts" bandwagon.  I don't see a middle ground.  You're either going for a playoff run this year or you're not.  Make a decision.  You can't have it both ways.  Without a center we're likely swept in round 1... so why bother hanging onto Ray Allen?

I'm sick of people arguing with me, "I'd rather hang onto Ray for the remainder of the season than get a late 1st rounder... a late 1st rounder stinks... there is no guarantee it will pan out"... To that I say, "Great!"... you will not mind giving up a late 1st rounder for Kaman, then. 

Danny will bring us front court help before the deadline.  I doubt it will be Kaman.  He's not worth it.

If you are sick of people arguing with you, you should probably stay away from a blog where "arguing" about the team is the point.

[LarBrd33]

I'm laying it out there... the Hornets want a 1st rounder for Kaman.  They are talking a tough game right now... pretending like they aren't going to buy out Kaman... even suggesting that they will try to extend him.  Whether you buy into it or not, I see Kaman as the only real (and available) hope the Celtics have of making a dent in the playoffs this year.  

He's a legit 7 feet, 260.  This month he's proving he's still a quality starting center in this league.  Averaging 15 points, 9 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.5 blocks in 33 minutes per game.  He pulled down 16 rebounds tonight...  THe only player on our entire freakin team who has pulled down that many boards this year is Rondo (in his otherworldy overtime performance).  

Tell me the guy is slow and has bad hands.  I don't care.  At the VERY least he's on Perk's level.  

Offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling (all expiring) + a 2nd rounder:  
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7f5b4eq

If they don't take that, offer them JO, Bass, Dooling (all expiring) + a 2nd rounder

If they don't take that offer them JO, Bass, Dooling (all expiring) + two 2nd rounders

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling and Johnson

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling, Johnson and a 2nd..

If they don't take that offer them JO, Wilcox, Dooling and the worst of our two first rounders...

Just get it done.

Now you might be saying, "a 1st rounder is too much to give up for a Kaman rental"... to that I say, "OK!"... In which case, you must feel a Ray Allen rental isn't worth passing up a late first rounder (which I'm sure we could get from a team like Chicago)...  

BOttom line, either you're on the "Trade a 1st for Kaman" bandwagon or you're on the "Trade Pierce and Ray for 1sts" bandwagon.  I don't see a middle ground.  You're either going for a playoff run this year or you're not.  Make a decision.  You can't have it both ways.  Without a center we're likely swept in round 1... so why bother hanging onto Ray Allen?

I'm sick of people arguing with me, "I'd rather hang onto Ray for the remainder of the season than get a late 1st rounder... a late 1st rounder stinks... there is no guarantee it will pan out"... To that I say, "Great!"... you will not mind giving up a late 1st rounder for Kaman, then. 

Danny will bring us front court help before the deadline.  I doubt it will be Kaman.  He's not worth it.

If you are sick of people arguing with you, you should probably stay away from a blog where "arguing" about the team is the point.

Don't argue with me.  I'll argue with whoever I want to argue with regardless of if I'm sick of them arguing with me.  I'm sick of people arguing that I should stop being sick of people arguing with me.

[Q_FBE]

I thought New Orleans was gonna package their 1st rounder and Meka's contract for financial considerations.