Hornets willing to give up lotto pick to dump Okafor

[Celtics4ever]

If we can get the lotto pick I might do it.   But still Okafor is not chopped liver.  He could help on the boards and interior defense.  Okafor can still board some.

[ssspence]

So it wasn't a good idea to pay Perk $32m or so over four years,  but it's a good idea to pay Okafor $28m over two years?
 

In exchange for the 3rd best odds at the #1 pick in the draft this year? Yep.

Not saying NO will do it (they won't), but if they actually would you'd do so in a heartbeat.

[BASS_THUMPER]

big man with knee problems.?.naw im good..

[florida dodger]

I'd do it even for the 9th best chance, which is probably what it will be with Rubio's injury.

Our competition would be teams with lots of cap space: the Cavs.  Pacers and Kings I doubt but you never know.

So it wasn't a good idea to pay Perk $32m or so over four years,  but it's a good idea to pay Okafor $28m over two years?
 

In exchange for the 3rd best odds at the #1 pick in the draft this year? Yep.

Not saying NO will do it (they won't), but if they actually would you'd do so in a heartbeat.

[florida dodger]

Okafor's knee problem is being described as minor.  But the guys we would likely be trading for him also have medical issues (which probably makes the Hornets happier because insurance will pick up a lot of the cost.)

Also, I don't see how Hornets lose Eric Gordon; they can match any offer because they have tons of cap space (with or without Okafor and Ariza.)

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[Marcus13]

I think the people agaisnt it aren't realizing how bad the Hornets are...this trade would give us a real shot at acquiring Andre Drummond who is going to be incredibly valuable in this league

[florida dodger]

I've always felt Okafor is one of the more underestinated center in league.  And he has speed to play PF as well.

Unlike jump-shooting offense happy Kaman, Okafor has surprisingly good defense and rebounding.  I think he fits well into our need for a center.  As good as our defense is, and with a playmaker like Rodndo, if we could rebound the ball, we could be dangerous, even to the Heat. 

Favorites, certainly not.  But we'd be dangerous.

I think the people agaisnt it aren't realizing how bad the Hornets are...this trade would give us a real shot at acquiring Andre Drummond who is going to be incredibly valuable in this league

[ManUp]

If this is true, Danny should be all over this. Okafor is basically a smaller, but better version of Perkins. If ever there was a have it both ways deal this would be it. The deal would set us up for the future with the pick and Okafor would give us exactly what we need now. If Dwight Howard won't go to Chicago I can't see him coming here. However, this deal really does sounds too good to be true.

[KGs Knee]

I think the people agaisnt it aren't realizing how bad the Hornets are...this trade would give us a real shot at acquiring Andre Drummond who is going to be incredibly valuable in this league

How bad the Hornets are has nothing to do with it.  They aren't trading their own draft pick.  Why do people assume they'd give up their own pick?  It makes no sense.  They'd be trading the right's to Minnesota's pick.

Right now Minny has the 14 worst record (basically, the last lottery position).  That will probably improve with Rubio out, but not much.  I can't see Minny falling any lower than 10.  Minny has no incentive to tank since they don't own their pick.

The question boils down to this.  Is a late lottery pick worth 2 more years of Okafor's cap killing contract?

For me, the answer is only if Howard is traded to a team before the end of the season that he will definitely re-sign with.  Otherwise, I'd rather gamble that we could sign Howard, and if not, use our cap space to do some kind of deal like this in the offseason.

[KGs Knee]

If this is true, Danny should be all over this. Okafor is basically a smaller, but better version of Perkins. If ever there was a have it both ways deal this would be it. The deal would set us up for the future with the pick and Okafor would give us exactly what we need now. If Dwight Howard won't go to Chicago I can't see him coming here. However, this deal really does sounds too good to be true.

I supect the reason Dwight is reluctant to go to Chicago is directly due to Rose.  Howard would always be the #2 star in that city.  Rose is from Chicago, and is beloved there.  Additionally, I could see how Howard might not view Rose as the best PG to get him the ball in the post often enough.  Rose is a SG in a PG's body (although he's not bad as PG either).  CP3 & DWill are better passing PG's.  Rondo is a predominantly pass-first PG.  I suspect Howard would rather play with any of those three before Rose.

[florida dodger]

If we luck out like the Bulls, we could pull a Rose out of the hat.  Certainly would be tempted to pull trigger on this one.

What FA are still out there?  Howard, Nash, Dwill and Mostly RFA--Lopez Gordon Anderson Mayo Beasley

I think it's worth it, because even if Howard changed his mind on NJ (and boy would that be sad for them.... they are super-obsessed), we could amnesty or trade pieces, we could even do a sign and trade involving Howard and Pierce.

With such a deep draft, and such a glaring need for rebounding, so much cap space, and 3 injured centers.... this deal is one of the few on here that actually sounds credible to me.

With this deal, Hornets would save even more money over what they would with an amnesty next year, not to mention NBA would be forcing Celtics to pay more luxury tax.  So I can see them doing this.

If they amnesty Okafor, they will still probably have to pick up 6-10 million of his contract a yyear.  So this should make it easier to sell the team.  And JO. Wilcox, and Staemer salaries look like they will be insured now.  Not to mention last time I checked Hornets had several guys on 10 day contracts, so they could probably create roster space as well.

Makes sense to me, but we'll see.

I think the people agaisnt it aren't realizing how bad the Hornets are...this trade would give us a real shot at acquiring Andre Drummond who is going to be incredibly valuable in this league

How bad the Hornets are has nothing to do with it.  They aren't trading their own draft pick.  Why do people assume they'd give up their own pick?  It makes no sense.  They'd be trading the right's to Minnesota's pick.

Right now Minny has the 14 worst record (basically, the last lottery position).  That will probably improve with Rubio out, but not much.  I can't see Minny falling any lower than 10.  Minny has no incentive to tank since they don't own their pick.

The question boils down to this.  Is a late lottery pick worth 2 more years of Okafor's cap killing contract?

For me, the answer is only if Howard is traded to a team before the end of the season that he will definitely re-sign with.  Otherwise, I'd rather gamble that we could sign Howard, and if not, use our cap space to do some kind of deal like this in the offseason.

[florida dodger]

Also, does it really matter whether Howard is traded or not?  The way I understand it; he tests free agency no matter what.... the question is with whom.

He could easily stay with Magic opt out in offseason and decide go to Nets.

Or he could be traded to Nets, opt out, and decide to GO BACK to Magic; not happening but theoretically possible unless I understand CBA incorrectly.  No extensions here folks; he will test free agency as will DWill. (Am I wrong?)

I'd pull the trigger on this one.  Sounds better than the Blatche McGee option and the Biedrin option and the other options I have seen floated on here.

Okafor is for real and so is this draft.

If we luck out like the Bulls, we could pull a Rose out of the hat.  Certainly would be tempted to pull trigger on this one.

What FA are still out there?  Howard, Nash, Dwill and Mostly RFA--Lopez Gordon Anderson Mayo Beasley

I think it's worth it, because even if Howard changed his mind on NJ (and boy would that be sad for them.... they are super-obsessed), we could amnesty or trade pieces, we could even do a sign and trade involving Howard and Pierce.

With such a deep draft, and such a glaring need for rebounding, so much cap space, and 3 injured centers.... this deal is one of the few on here that actually sounds credible to me.

With this deal, Hornets would save even more money over what they would with an amnesty next year, not to mention NBA would be forcing Celtics to pay more luxury tax.  So I can see them doing this.

If they amnesty Okafor, they will still probably have to pick up 6-10 million of his contract a yyear.  So this should make it easier to sell the team.  And JO. Wilcox, and Staemer salaries look like they will be insured now.  Not to mention last time I checked Hornets had several guys on 10 day contracts, so they could probably create roster space as well.

Makes sense to me, but we'll see.

I think the people agaisnt it aren't realizing how bad the Hornets are...this trade would give us a real shot at acquiring Andre Drummond who is going to be incredibly valuable in this league

How bad the Hornets are has nothing to do with it.  They aren't trading their own draft pick.  Why do people assume they'd give up their own pick?  It makes no sense.  They'd be trading the right's to Minnesota's pick.

Right now Minny has the 14 worst record (basically, the last lottery position).  That will probably improve with Rubio out, but not much.  I can't see Minny falling any lower than 10.  Minny has no incentive to tank since they don't own their pick.

The question boils down to this.  Is a late lottery pick worth 2 more years of Okafor's cap killing contract?

For me, the answer is only if Howard is traded to a team before the end of the season that he will definitely re-sign with.  Otherwise, I'd rather gamble that we could sign Howard, and if not, use our cap space to do some kind of deal like this in the offseason.

[LarBrd33]

the hornets aren't trading anthony davis and okafor for cap space.  Sorry

[Fafnir]

the hornets aren't trading anthony davis and okafor for cap space.  Sorry

No lottery pick no matter how high is likely to be the number one pick itself, you know that.

The Clippers sold their lottery pick for a similar chunk of monetary savings. I don't think the Hornets would do it, but we've seen it before and probably will again.

[StartOrien]

So it wasn't a good idea to pay Perk $32m or so over four years,  but it's a good idea to pay Okafor $28m over two years?
 

Yes.