OUTCOACHED versus the Lakers today....?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

The way I see it, you look at the other team, and your team, asses the abilities and weaknesses. Then you start who you choose vs their starters....See how it works, who is hot, who is not getting it done. As the game goes in to the 2nd quarter, you can see good defense matchups, and other things that are working.

  By the third quarter, some matchups are set. In this case, Steisma had Bynum contained. No more free roam in the paint, no backing anyone down, no easy inside points. It was PROVEN to work.

 Peitrus had become our X man....The lakers really didn't have an answer for him, as he is our best altheletic guy at that size, and his outside, and new inside game, proved to be strong. He also showed some great defense on a star, Kobe, always hard to defend.

 You must also realize that coaching in the last 2-5 minutes is the toughest part of the game. It is too late to learn it by then, if you don't already know it. It is all a coming together of all you knowledge, and ezperience, and instinct. It happens way too fast otherwise.

  Doc had it all set, but he pulled steamer AND peitrus. What then happened....The guys they were covering came alive and scored most of the game winning points. Both Bynum and kobe did it. All those now easy rebounds for the lakers that they werren't getting when steam was in. Bass did not score in the last 5...kg would still be in. Even if he put steam in and out, to keep them off their guard...but no, he didn't even trust his own eyes. Then you saaw what happened. Bynum owned Bass, which would be standard "go to" anyway, a 7 footer good center on a 6'8" forward....usually the go to mismatch anyway. That is how we lost.

[apc]

i cant say Doc was outcoached, cause Brown really didnt do anything to outcoach doc.
they had a very simple plan, give Bynum the ball.

i do agree in general, Doc will always go back to his vets. pietrus can go 10-10 from 3 and he still be on the bench when the game is on the line. this is also why Dooling is playing when we all know Moore can outplay him.

[LarBrd33]

nothing to do with the coaching.  We're undersized.  We've been without a real starting center the entire season.  0-9 against contenders.  Nuff said.

[gar]

Pietrus was hurt and Bass was hot. Doc tends not to play matchups. Ray stunk it up at the end is true; but is tough to sit any of the big three. Could see defense/offense substitution using Stiemsma/Bass so yes Doc was being Doc.

[hpantazo]

I don't blame Doc for not sitting any of the big three down the stretch, this was likely their last matchup against Kobe, Pau, Bynum, and Fisher. He will have plenty of games against the lakers without the big 3 soon enough.

[gar]

Dooling is a mystery. They obviously saw something in him; but not sure what. He was hitting from 3 early on, but has looked totally out of sink since.

Moore has been solid, but they may be trying to establish some value for Dooling.

[theswitch]

In what world did Steamer contain Bynum and the Lakers did not have an answer for Pietrus?   The same Pietrus that went 2-7 could not be contained? Come on, now.

You'd rather put in Steamer over KG or Bass? The KG who went 7-11 for 14/11/5? The Bass who really kept us in the game by going basket for basket with Kobe down the stretch?

Pietrus over who? Ray Allen or Paul Pierce?

Nobody is happy about the way the game ended, but let's not put this on Doc. The guy has no legitimate center on the roster and only two legitimate guys who can be called "bigs." Just look at the box score and tell me that the starters didn't completely outplay the bench, he had no choice but to keep those guys in.

Doc is in a terrible situation - you can't put anybody from the bench into the game without cringing. Avery is probably the best of the bunch but he's playing behind Rajon. Dooling has been atrocious. Pietrus has been solid defensively but we need more offensive output from the guy. The Steamer just isn't ready for prime time.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

nothing to do with the coaching.  We're undersized.  We've been without a real starting center the entire season.  0-9 against contenders.  Nuff said.

How can you say that...you missed the game..? With kg and steamer we were NOT outsized....bynum did NOTHING versus steamer.....they didn't really put gasol in at the same time....that might have changed it...but that wasn't the case..bynum wouldn't have gottoen those easy points so far inside the paint vs staemer..so i cannot agree with you..haveing seen the game. You missed a good one..!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

i cant say Doc was outcoached, cause Brown really didnt do anything to outcoach doc.
they had a very simple plan, give Bynum the ball.

i do agree in general, Doc will always go back to his vets. pietrus can go 10-10 from 3 and he still be on the bench when the game is on the line. this is also why Dooling is playing when we all know Moore can outplay him.

But what i mean by outcoached is for doc to make that decision to tkae steamer out and peitrus, and then allow bynum and kobe to play much more freely,,,it is a decision...one he did totally wrong. The last 2-5 minutes ARE tough to manage...! And if peitrus was hurt, he sure looked good at the end, stuffing in the rebound, slashing, blocking kobes shots.....

[GreenNote]

I don't blame Doc for not sitting any of the big three down the stretch, this was likely their last matchup against Kobe, Pau, Bynum, and Fisher. He will have plenty of games against the lakers without the big 3 soon enough.

I agree maybe it was the last time. To be honest, I am sick of seeing the lakers vs the big 3 celtics, it just brings back memories of 2010 more than 2008

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Pietrus was hurt and Bass was hot. Doc tends not to play matchups. Ray stunk it up at the end is true; but is tough to sit any of the big three. Could see defense/offense substitution using Stiemsma/Bass so yes Doc was being Doc.

peitrus was GREAT in the last few minutes he was in..did you miss that put back dunk...the kobe block....where was the hurt...he was on...Bass was cold the last part of the game, and you don't trade hoops with the lakers, bass should have been out because he couldn't stop bynum at all. Bass missed everything and did nothing in the last 5 minutes, to make my point.

[bostonpatriot]

Stiemsma and Bynum were together on the court for about 8 minutes. IIRC, Bynum took 4 shots, made 2, missed on and had one blocked by Greg. Thankfully, the Lakers didn't do much to explore the matchup. Doc worked hard to minimize that matchup and rightly so. That's good coaching.

I think it was quite amazing that Boston was able to stay in the game playing Bass for 43 minutes and Greg for 14 minutes against the Lakers frontline.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

In what world did Steamer contain Bynum and the Lakers did not have an answer for Pietrus?   The same Pietrus that went 2-7 could not be contained? Come on, now.

You'd rather put in Steamer over KG or Bass? The KG who went 7-11 for 14/11/5? The Bass who really kept us in the game by going basket for basket with Kobe down the stretch?

Pietrus over who? Ray Allen or Paul Pierce?

Nobody is happy about the way the game ended, but let's not put this on Doc. The guy has no legitimate center on the roster and only two legitimate guys who can be called "bigs." Just look at the box score and tell me that the starters didn't completely outplay the bench, he had no choice but to keep those guys in.

Doc is in a terrible situation - you can't put anybody from the bench into the game without cringing. Avery is probably the best of the bunch but he's playing behind Rajon. Dooling has been atrocious. Pietrus has been solid defensively but we need more offensive output from the guy. The Steamer just isn't ready for prime time.

I am sorry you missed the game. It was a good one..! Bynum scored 1 hoop on steamer...1....that is 1 made hoop. He was contained, no free rebounds, put backs, open dunks or layups....BUT.it is not your fault, you missed the game...unless you watched it and missed all of this.....well, what can i say then.....uhm...watch more...LOL...!

[theswitch]

Pietrus was hurt and Bass was hot. Doc tends not to play matchups. Ray stunk it up at the end is true; but is tough to sit any of the big three. Could see defense/offense substitution using Stiemsma/Bass so yes Doc was being Doc.

peitrus was GREAT in the last few minutes he was in..did you miss that put back dunk...the kobe block....where was the hurt...he was on...Bass was cold the last part of the game, and you don't trade hoops with the lakers, bass should have been out because he couldn't stop bynum at all. Bass missed everything and did nothing in the last 5 minutes, to make my point.

In the last 6 minutes, Bass had 4 points and 3 rebounds, that's terrific production. He made both of his shots between minutes 5 and 6 - you're asking Doc to yank a guy who had just scored 4 straight points for you and had the hot hand all game. Bass wasn't even guarding Bynum, I don't know where you're getting that from. KG was guarding him almost the entire game, and exclusively at the end.

[Celtics18]

nothing to do with the coaching.  We're undersized.  We've been without a real starting center the entire season.  0-9 against contenders.  Nuff said.

I have us at 1 and 4 against contenders.  Could you explain that 0-9?