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Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2012, 12:18:13 AM »

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On days when he's hot, Gerald is a useful NBA rotation-level player.

When his jumpshot isn't working, he's borderline useless, as he doesn't pass, defend, dribble, or rebound.


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Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2012, 12:24:53 AM »

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How about watching games through instead of uaing fantasy baseball type synergy stats! Those stats are utterly useless & would probably would say Lebron James is the best player of all time.

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2012, 12:26:45 AM »

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How about watching games through instead of uaing fantasy baseball type synergy stats! Those stats are utterly useless & would probably would say Lebron James is the best player of all time.

Generally they're pretty helpful, although I do agree that in this case the sample size is so small that it's not as valuable. Regardless, the eye-test confirms that Green is an explosive dunker who can fill it up when he's on his game, but like Roy said, he's otherwise pretty useless.
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Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2012, 12:33:02 AM »

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Should've had him back while he was ripping the D-League. I really would like to have him back. We could use that as Rondo's running mate off the bench.
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Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2012, 12:33:32 AM »

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Gerald is pegged as a dunker but I do actually watch him play as I did his D-League games, he is actually a knockdown shooter who just happens to be 1 of the best alley oop finishers in the World. But most his shots are mid-range to deep & he creates these shots himself & he is good off of screens. I would just tell those who are thinking of 06' Gerald to watch before you continue to critique like its still 06'!

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2012, 12:34:11 AM »

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How about watching games through instead of uaing fantasy baseball type synergy stats! Those stats are utterly useless & would probably would say Lebron James is the best player of all time.

What is it that you're seeing from Gerald that suggests that his contributions extend beyond the box score?  Is he boxing out his man and helping his teammates secure rebounds?  Is he setting screens?  

From what I'm seeing, the box score is dead on:  Gerald is a streaky shooter who contributes very little other than scoring which has been sporadic.  As for Synergy, they're probably the best in the business.  They've charted his defense, and he currently ranks 394th in the NBA in points allowed per possession.  Since there are somewhere around 420 to 450 players in the NBA, 394th is not a great place to be.

Nights like tonight are fantastic, and he should be applauded when he contributes positively.  However, on balance this season he's been an end of rotation player.  Time will tell if he develops beyond that.


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Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2012, 12:43:41 AM »

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Roy the difference is I'm watching the game while yall critiquing boxscores. He lifted the arena with his energy tonight with the dunk. Plus if you are going to read the boxscores, read the play by play! Not the plus/minus as it is not indicative of a players impression on a game. If I come in with the worse bench in the league & get 15 pts in 10 minutes playing well, but we get killed by the leagues best unit its going to say I suck with all the rest of my teammates wouldn't it. So I say watch the games.

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2012, 12:56:18 AM »

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Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2012, 05:20:06 AM »

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I'm about as big of a Gerald fan as there is, I followed his career in Europe and managed to catch most of his games in the DLeague this year, but Roy's right, for the most part.

Gerald's a streaky shooter who on good nights can fill it up, and on bad nights doesn't give you much. That said, while his scoring is the only real plus, he doesn't have all the minuses he used to. His handle is still awful but he doesn't force things as often, he's developed a bit of a post up game (surprisingly enough), has put on some muscle, and has all but eliminated the typical Gerald mistakes most of us remember. There's no more lapses in energy defensively, or lackadaisical play.

The defensive sample size is tiny, drawing conclusions based off that is pretty worthless. Not to mention, he's playing on the worst defensive team in the NBA, I'm sure Synergy has most of his teammates quite low as well. Celtics fans should be the first to recognize how much easier a defensive anchor makes life for a perimeter defender, and the Nets are entirely lacking a defensive anchor.

Most importantly for Gerald, he needs to be in an offense where he's working off the ball and spotting up for jumpers, not where he's isolating and trying to create for himself (or others). It seems like everywhere he's been that's been the expectation, and he simply isn't capable of creating shots efficiently. He can shoot the hell out of the ball though, and obviously he has value in transition, in the right role he can be a productive NBA player.

Superstar he isn't, but really he never was going to be, he never had the ball handling ability to do so and that's not something that develops especially quickly. He's developed into a mature and hard working player, as Avery Johnson said in his press conference tonight, he's someone you can't help but root for now. Around these parts that wasn't always the case, and understandably so during his early years, but whether he flames out or goes on to have a successful career, applying the "wasted talent" tag to Green won't be fair any more; he's put in the work and has his head on straight. I personally am excited and happy for him, he's worked hard to get back, and I hope he find the right role/situation for him and he sticks.

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2012, 05:27:27 AM »

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Nothing new.

I'd like to see him back in the league for dunk contests alone.

There exists professional dunkers. Wonder how much they make though.

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2012, 06:51:48 AM »

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When we give up on winning and are willing to settle for entertaining players instead of good players, he should be considered.

Considering Green showed he could have high scoring games in his first two years, there is nothing surprising about him scoring 26. This doesn't mean he will do much in the NBA. Don't get carried away by scorers like Green. Give them minutes and they will have impressive games here or there, but not reliably and without bringing anything else to the table.

Even in his good game he needed to put a cherry on top by scoring the winning basket for Houston on a tip-in.

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2012, 08:28:32 AM »

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glad to see Green gettin his shine on
it was a sick dunk and the net fans loved it
i hope he continues to have great games like this one
 

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2012, 08:40:33 AM »

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Just saw the highlights. He may have brought the Nets back into that game, but he also tipped the ball into the wrong basket at the end, which was the game winner for Houston. Poor guy.
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Can't we just bring Gerald Green back?

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2012, 09:43:13 AM »

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I wouldn't trade 17 for Gerald no way! Why is that even a issue? But to say Sasha or Marquis is better is just being a Celtic homer with green goggles. If Sasha or Marquis can get 20 in a game all year with us at anytime i'll sing their praises. Let alone do it on efficient shooting from deep in 23 minutes. If he was in our team he would play & be a great fit going forward with Rondo & get even easier buckets with Rondo than he would any other PG out there.

Give them the green light and they'll have 20 points games - they've had them before in their careers. And unlike Gerald Green they can do more than scoring the ball (or maybe could in Daniels' case).

An one-dimensional streaky shooter like Green is the kind of player that makes sense along Rondo only if the goal is to be as bad as possible to have better odds at the draft lottery. 

Re: Uh oh... (Gerald Green)
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2012, 09:58:59 AM »

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I hate to say it but I been driving the get Gerald back bus the whole time while he was in the D-League. 26pts in 23minutes? We could have sure used that offense on our bench, plus I been saying hes matured bodywise & as a basketball player. He is not as green & clueless as he was before. But yet Danny goes & gets the retread stiffs Daniels & Sasha instead of a retread high wire act live useful body like Gerald! Now thats what makes me upset.

You know, that bus should have stopped here in Boston!
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