What if nothing happens??

[huzy]

Seeing the team playing well makes it very difficult to envision a trade because they are looking like a contender and I'm emotionally attached to KG, Ray, and PP.

However,here's the problem if we maintain a similar roster heading into next season:

With two first round draft pics next year, we'll have the following on our roster:

Avery Bradley: 18th Overall Pick 2010
JaJuan Johnson: 27th Overall Pick 2011
Between our pick and the Clippers, presumably the 19th and 25th picks.

That leaves us with Rondo, four first rounders over the last 3 years and a team of veterans.

The problem is that Doc will have to coach against his instincts. He flat out doesn't like playing young players and if given the option to revert back to relying on veterans..he will.

It creates a roster that conflicts itself.

Unfortunately, I don't think Doc is the right coach to hedge the bets of playing veterans and developing young talent at the same time. I don't want him to be that guy either. It's one or the other...

If Ray and KG come back they will not be complimentary, they will be focal points. If not because of their preference definitely because of Doc's reliance on older proven players.

 

[colincb]

Cs have 5 contracts for Bradley, Moore, Johnson Pierce, and Rondo) and a player option contract of $4M for Bass. I assume Bass will opt out. Jeff Green has no contract and the Cs have no rights, so he's a UFA. (5 contracts, $31.3 M)

Their two first round picks should net another $2.5M on a rookie scale. (7 contracts $33.8 MM).

I assume that Bass can be resigned at a BBD-like contract for $6.5 for 4 years. (8 contracts, $40.3M).

I assume KG can be re-signed at $11M for 2 years, RA can be re-signed at $7MM for 2 years,  and Wilcox re-signed at $3M MLE for 1 year. (11 contracts $61.3 MM).

At this point you can sign one max contract at $21MM or a 2 contracts splitting the same amount.  Depending what you do, you have 2-3 more slots for vet minimum contracts for $1MM for one year. I think Stiemsma gets 1 of those slots. (15 contracts $85+M).

That gets you into the same ball park as this year before the luxury tax.  D12 could be bought in and have a great shot to win 2 crowns, but I doubt it.  Better bet is to look for 2 good players at the $10MM range. A list of available FAs follows.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents

Overpaying height in Kaman for $10M solves one huge hole at the 5 and then get a second good player at the 2 or 3 and a vet min PG. I'd expect that JJJ and AB will be used much more next year.  Big fly in the ointment is what KG does.  I think Allen will continue to play and would take a small home town discount to stay in Boston (i.e., take $7M vs $8M elsewhere), but KG might retire.  Tough to figure a market value on KG, so $11MM is a SWAG.  KG's still a very good player, if no longer worthy of All-Star status (as is Ray and PP).

[Bankshot]

I hope something happens. I'd like to see this group make another run.

[2short]

If no Howard then we push after the next best center.  How much can we go would depend on resigning KG & Ray i.e. if coming back what sort of number would we be willing to pay them.  I think we let Bass walk if we can get a good center.  Let JJJ get those minutes, bass would be coming off bench and I think by next year JJJ will have a better handle. Wilcox can play both big spots, like him.

 I think Stiesma should be resigned  , to me he shows good promise, really just needs a big coach to get him to play good man on defense.  Pietrus resign PERIOD.  Love what he brings, man I want on our team.  

Jeff Green sign if his health is good, key addition at sf for us.  If he is signed I'm not sure about Beasley to me a sf (if we get him this year for JO great!!)   I'm of the camp that if Paul wants to be traded to a contender fine, if not he deserves to stay with us for the time he stuck with us.

If Ray isn't signed then our starting sg so far in my lineup is Pietrus, look at what is available for us unless drafting a good sg.  Bradley can hopefully handle backup pg next year and maybe even play in same backourt at times with rondo (imagine that defense).  Moore I guess you keep around unless he's part of a trade, ok as 3rd string.
Marquis, shake his hand and wish him well, JO happy retirement,  Dooling seeya, sasha i'd resign at the right price if its end of bench.

Lot is going to depend on those draft picks.  I can't see danny not doing something with JO this year

[LooseCannon]

I think Danny would be a hypocrite if he doesn't trade one of the big three!  He's the one who claims he told Red he needed to trade the original big three.

I don't think he would hesitate to make a trade if he was being offered the same sort of value that Red supposedly could have gotten.  One report has Ainge holding out for a young player AND a draft pick in a trade for Ray Allen.  I don't think he is a hypocrite if he refuses to accept less.

[Kane3387]

I think Danny would be a hypocrite if he doesn't trade one of the big three!  He's the one who claims he told Red he needed to trade the original big three.

I don't think he would hesitate to make a trade if he was being offered the same sort of value that Red supposedly could have gotten.  One report has Ainge holding out for a young player AND a draft pick in a trade for Ray Allen.  I don't think he is a hypocrite if he refuses to accept less.

Right. You don't do a trade right now for the sake of doing a trade. Besides a S+T with a guy at the end of the season or re-signing him for cheaper money might be better then what you could get now.

[CFAN38]

I assume that Bass can be resigned at a BBD-like contract for $6.5 for 4 years. (8 contracts, $40.3M).

I assume KG can be re-signed at $11M for 2 years, RA can be re-signed at $7MM for 2 years,  and Wilcox re-signed at $3M MLE for 1 year. (11 contracts $61.3 MM).

At this point you can sign one max contract at $21MM or a 2 contracts splitting the same amount.  Depending what you do, you have 2-3 more slots for vet minimum contracts for $1MM for one year. I think Stiemsma gets 1 of those slots. (15 contracts $85+M).

The cap doesn't work like this I believe after signing wilcox to 3mill (don't think MLE exists when under the cap) the celtics would have 1 million left over, not 21.

[colincb]

I assume that Bass can be resigned at a BBD-like contract for $6.5 for 4 years. (8 contracts, $40.3M).

I assume KG can be re-signed at $11M for 2 years, RA can be re-signed at $7MM for 2 years,  and Wilcox re-signed at $3M MLE for 1 year. (11 contracts $61.3 MM).

At this point you can sign one max contract at $21MM or a 2 contracts splitting the same amount.  Depending what you do, you have 2-3 more slots for vet minimum contracts for $1MM for one year. I think Stiemsma gets 1 of those slots. (15 contracts $85+M).

The cap doesn't work like this I believe after signing wilcox to 3mill (don't think MLE exists when under the cap) the celtics would have 1 million left over, not 21.

"... Under the 2011 CBA, the amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. The MLE is now $5 million for a duration of four years for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but did not pay luxury tax in the previous season. Teams without cap room that paid tax in the previous season have an MLE of $3 million with a three-year duration. ..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

Cs are covered under the last sentence. 

In any case Celtics can go over the salary cap limit, they just ghave to pay the luxury tax like they have been doing for many years.  The new 2011 CBA does make the luxury tax much more expensive and the Cs would have to pay an additional luxury tax of $10-12M range for the 2013-14 season under my proposal above for a total cost of $107M.  The Cs should be in the $95-97M range this year after tax and next year under my scenario above.  The total payroll after luxury tax would be pro-rated for 2011-2012 because of the shortened season by roughly 20%.

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I omitted Pietrus from my analysis, but I'd keep him as one of the vet-minimum contracts.  Dooling, Pav, Daniels, and JO would be gone (as well as the remaining $6.8M dead money contract of Rasheed Wallace). 4 players out - 2 rookies + 2 new contracts in the $10M range (or a max contract and a vet min contract). Boston's payroll info can be found below, but is missing the number for Moore, which I've estimated at $700M per year for 3 years.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

[ManUp]

Option A: Chase Howard via free agency.

Option B: resign our free agents(Garnett*, Allen*, Pietrus, Green, Bass) to reasonable contracts.

Option C: use cap space to facilitate deals(sign and trades, absorb bad contracts for picks/players etc.)

*Allen & Garnett resign knowing this team is moving in a new direction.

[clover]

Michael Beasley, Minnesota Timberwolves – $6.3 million – Restricted ($8.2 million Qualifying Offer), 23, 6.10

pet peeve of mine Beasley is not 6'10

he is 6'8

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Beasley-605/


another point, if we bring everyone back then we can go over the salary cap to resign everyone. I believe this is also true of any player we trade for. With this being said Danny should target some the the higher potential/under achieving young players out there with JO's contract and maybe the Clippers pick (only if it really worth it).

Pet peeve of mine--the way the league adds guys' shoes into their height.  He's actually all of 6'7".

[CFAN38]

... Under the 2011 CBA, the amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. The MLE is now $5 million for a duration of four years for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but did not pay luxury tax in the previous season. Teams without cap room that paid tax in the previous season have an MLE of $3 million with a three-year duration. ..."

this still doesn't explain how you think the celtics could resign everyone and have 21 million left over?

Pet peeve of mine--the way the league adds guys' shoes into their height.  He's actually all of 6'7".

I also agree with this, at least everyone has the 1" - 1 1/2" added to there height from shoes. Beasley being given a random 2 inches to make him seem more like a PF drives me nuts.