Birdman for JO

[TripleOT]

There's noise that Denver wants to move Chris Andersen (2 more years at around $4.5m per.  He's not getting a ton of minutes out there, with Nene, Mozgoy, Koufos and Faried all getting minutes in front of him.

The Cs have a nice expiring contract in Jermaine O'Neal.  I've always liked Birdman's energy, and although he isn't a widebody, he has some paint presence.  He's grabbing 5 rebounds a game in only 15 minutes. 

The Cs really need someone to shore up their interior basket defense and rebounding.  Birdman might be a cheap band aid.  If Kamen gets bought out and wanted to sign here, that would be preferable, but Kamen's friendship with Dirk could send him there to help the mavs defend their title. 

This Andersen deal gets a guy off Denver's books that isn't in their plans, and doesn't clog Boston's cap too much this summer.  i think it would be a move that could help the Big 4 be more difficult a playoff out for the top EC teams.       

[Cman]

There's noise that Denver wants to move Chris Andersen (2 more years at around $4.5m per.  He's not getting a ton of minutes out there, with Nene, Mozgoy, Koufos and Faried all getting minutes in front of him.

The Cs have a nice expiring contract in Jermaine O'Neal.  I've always liked Birdman's energy, and although he isn't a widebody, he has some paint presence.  He's grabbing 5 rebounds a game in only 15 minutes. 

The Cs really need someone to shore up their interior basket defense and rebounding.  Birdman might be a cheap band aid.  If Kamen gets bought out and wanted to sign here, that would be preferable, but Kamen's friendship with Dirk could send him there to help the mavs defend their title. 

This Andersen deal gets a guy off Denver's books that isn't in their plans, and doesn't clog Boston's cap too much this summer.  i think it would be a move that could help the Big 4 be more difficult a playoff out for the top EC teams.       

Cs also have Chris Wilcox as an expiring contract. I think Denver would probably prefer Wilcox to JO -- Wilcox can actually play (i.e.: he isn't injured), and would be a smaller contract.

[Greenbean]

There's noise that Denver wants to move Chris Andersen (2 more years at around $4.5m per.  He's not getting a ton of minutes out there, with Nene, Mozgoy, Koufos and Faried all getting minutes in front of him.

The Cs have a nice expiring contract in Jermaine O'Neal.  I've always liked Birdman's energy, and although he isn't a widebody, he has some paint presence.  He's grabbing 5 rebounds a game in only 15 minutes. 

The Cs really need someone to shore up their interior basket defense and rebounding.  Birdman might be a cheap band aid.  If Kamen gets bought out and wanted to sign here, that would be preferable, but Kamen's friendship with Dirk could send him there to help the mavs defend their title. 

This Andersen deal gets a guy off Denver's books that isn't in their plans, and doesn't clog Boston's cap too much this summer.  i think it would be a move that could help the Big 4 be more difficult a playoff out for the top EC teams.       

I like Birdman's energy. I dont want to pay him 4.5 mil next year though.

[jdz101]

There's noise that Denver wants to move Chris Andersen (2 more years at around $4.5m per.  He's not getting a ton of minutes out there, with Nene, Mozgoy, Koufos and Faried all getting minutes in front of him.

The Cs have a nice expiring contract in Jermaine O'Neal.  I've always liked Birdman's energy, and although he isn't a widebody, he has some paint presence.  He's grabbing 5 rebounds a game in only 15 minutes. 

The Cs really need someone to shore up their interior basket defense and rebounding.  Birdman might be a cheap band aid.  If Kamen gets bought out and wanted to sign here, that would be preferable, but Kamen's friendship with Dirk could send him there to help the mavs defend their title. 

This Andersen deal gets a guy off Denver's books that isn't in their plans, and doesn't clog Boston's cap too much this summer.  i think it would be a move that could help the Big 4 be more difficult a playoff out for the top EC teams.       

Cs also have Chris Wilcox as an expiring contract. I think Denver would probably prefer Wilcox to JO -- Wilcox can actually play (i.e.: he isn't injured), and would be a smaller contract.

Wilcox rebounds and finishes around the rim. Birdman is an offensive liability.

[jmei]

Wilcox rebounds and finishes around the rim. Birdman is an offensive liability.

Birdman is shooting 56.5% this year, shot 59.9% last year, and 56.6% the year before. So, yeah, he's not an offensive liability.

In fact, Birdman is stunningly similar to Wilcox. He is essentially a Wilcox-clone on offense who has serious athleticism and can throw down lobs with Rondo on the break and grabs offensive rebounds (11.7% career-- for comparison, Wilcox is at 10.4% this year). They also rack up defensive rebounds at a similar rate.

Their differences-- Birdman turns the ball over less (10.6% this year, Wilcox at 20.1% this year and 13.4% career) and gets a lot more blocks (a whopping 7.2% this year, 6.8% career-- for reference, Dwight Howard is at 4.5% blocks career). I'm not sure how great a team-defender Birdman is, but Wilcox hasn't been great on that front, so I consider it a wash.

If we could get Birdman for O'Neal and $3m cash (the max we're allowed to include), that would be perfect-- we would have two high-energy bigs to help on the boards. Trading Wilcox for Birdman is a little less optimal-- Birdman is basically a slightly better version of Wilcox, but with another two years on his contract (albeit at a reasonable price).

[jmei]

The problem is, a player like Birdman will be popular around the league. Every contender could use another big who rebounds well, blocks shots, and can finish at a decent rate. The Lakers and Miami, for instance, could use that exact kind of player, as could a bunch of lower-tier teams. I suspect the Nuggets could do better than an expiring contract, especially if it's JO who is usually either injury-prone or ineffective.

[Greenbean]

The problem is, a player like Birdman will be popular around the league. Every contender could use another big who rebounds well, blocks shots, and can finish at a decent rate. The Lakers and Miami, for instance, could use that exact kind of player, as could a bunch of lower-tier teams. I suspect the Nuggets could do better than an expiring contract, especially if it's JO who is usually either injury-prone or ineffective.

The real problem is his neck tatoo...check out espn right now.

Dude looks unstable.

[Who]

I'd be a fan of this move only if a larger move was also coming to make it worthwhile.

I don't think the upgrade of JO to Birdman is enough to put the C's back in title contention and I wouldn't be bothered making that upgrade at the cost of next year's cap flexibility without a genuine shot at a title.

[BballTim]

There's noise that Denver wants to move Chris Andersen (2 more years at around $4.5m per.  He's not getting a ton of minutes out there, with Nene, Mozgoy, Koufos and Faried all getting minutes in front of him.

The Cs have a nice expiring contract in Jermaine O'Neal.  I've always liked Birdman's energy, and although he isn't a widebody, he has some paint presence.  He's grabbing 5 rebounds a game in only 15 minutes. 

The Cs really need someone to shore up their interior basket defense and rebounding.  Birdman might be a cheap band aid.  If Kamen gets bought out and wanted to sign here, that would be preferable, but Kamen's friendship with Dirk could send him there to help the mavs defend their title. 

This Andersen deal gets a guy off Denver's books that isn't in their plans, and doesn't clog Boston's cap too much this summer.  i think it would be a move that could help the Big 4 be more difficult a playoff out for the top EC teams.       

Cs also have Chris Wilcox as an expiring contract. I think Denver would probably prefer Wilcox to JO -- Wilcox can actually play (i.e.: he isn't injured), and would be a smaller contract.

  No way should you trade Wilcox for Birdman.

[Lioney]

+Great blocker and rebounder

-Low basketball IQ
-2 year $4,5M too much

Not sure...

I prefer this;

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7jpzz92

We get Kirk and Brewer.

Rondo/Kirk
Ray/Pietrus
Pierce/Brewer

[goCeltics]

Yes would be very happy if we get birdman for jermaine

[bostonpatriot]

Two more years of contract. Not worth it.

[TripleOT]

Two more years of contract. Not worth it.

Do you expect bigs to work for free?  $4.5m for a shotblocking big who can run the floor and rebound isn't a bad contract.  Assuming the Cs aren't going to get Howard, taking up $4.5m of caproom is no big deal. 

[Cman]

There's noise that Denver wants to move Chris Andersen (2 more years at around $4.5m per.  He's not getting a ton of minutes out there, with Nene, Mozgoy, Koufos and Faried all getting minutes in front of him.

The Cs have a nice expiring contract in Jermaine O'Neal.  I've always liked Birdman's energy, and although he isn't a widebody, he has some paint presence.  He's grabbing 5 rebounds a game in only 15 minutes. 

The Cs really need someone to shore up their interior basket defense and rebounding.  Birdman might be a cheap band aid.  If Kamen gets bought out and wanted to sign here, that would be preferable, but Kamen's friendship with Dirk could send him there to help the mavs defend their title. 

This Andersen deal gets a guy off Denver's books that isn't in their plans, and doesn't clog Boston's cap too much this summer.  i think it would be a move that could help the Big 4 be more difficult a playoff out for the top EC teams.       

Cs also have Chris Wilcox as an expiring contract. I think Denver would probably prefer Wilcox to JO -- Wilcox can actually play (i.e.: he isn't injured), and would be a smaller contract.

  No way should you trade Wilcox for Birdman.

I'm not suggesting the Cs should. I'm suggesting that Denver would prefer this trade to the JO trade.

[Finkelskyhook]

Cs also have Chris Wilcox as an expiring contract. I think Denver would probably prefer Wilcox to JO -- Wilcox can actually play (i.e.: he isn't injured), and would be a smaller contract.

Wilcox can actually play lol...I think the difference is more like Wilcox actually wants to play...

O'Neal tweets about actually wanting to play.