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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2012, 04:59:21 PM »

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Maybe it was just me, but I thought  Rondo took Jeremy Lin to School and showed him "can't do this ...my house!"

Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2012, 05:00:34 PM »

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Magic johnson just said "if you trade this guy you better get dwight howard back"


Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2012, 05:00:50 PM »

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Magic Johnson "If you trade Rondo, you better get Dwight Howard or Larry Bird back in return"

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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2012, 05:01:39 PM »

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yeah, magic johnson has never been prone to hyperbole, EVER

Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2012, 05:02:02 PM »

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I cannot believe some of the posters here wanted to trade Rondo for a sack of role players earlier this season...

"Lets trade Rondo for Nick Collison and and parts"

SMH
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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2012, 05:04:55 PM »

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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2012, 05:08:38 PM »

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I have also found it interesting that the "pro-rondo's" love to say that when he has high assist totals he makes everyone better but when he has low totals it is because the old guys missed shots.

So he gets the credit when others hit jumpers but none of the blame when they miss. And he doesnt get blame when the other team forces him to score and he cant?

Convenient


  This is from an article that was on the front page a day or two ago, but someone on a Widards blog charted our "efficiency" (fg made vs fg attempted and turnovers) off of passes from Rondo. They found that the Celts score on about 35% of our fga/turnovers when the opportunity doesn't come from a Rondo pass and about 56% of our opportunities when they come from a pass from Rondo. I'd say that was quite an increase.

  The people who don't like Rondo and the people who talk about how he's a liability on offense watch him game after game and have no idea that his passing has such an impact on the game. That seems pretty convenient as well.

Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2012, 05:15:58 PM »

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Rondo had a historic game. He made great decisions with the ball in his hands like usual, an ideal PG game. He helped keep Lin on the bench and out of rhythm. He was disruptive on defense by roaming for rebounds.

People don't understand the way he plays the game. He's a gambler. He takes chances, and even though that leads to mistakes, he's generally more effective than the standard method. People say he should make safer passes but those are more likely to get picked off because they're more expected. That he shouldn't gamble on D, but he would wear himself out and wouldn't cause nearly as much havoc he does as a freelancer. Not to mention how he catches guys off guard when he decides "you're not going to get past me anymore" and takes over key possessions.

It would be like if the Pats decided they weren't going to punt anymore. People would be angry whenever they didn't convert on 4th downs even if their new strategy was effective overall. Every loss would get blamed on their refusal to punt.

The thing with Rondo is when it matters, he's locked in. For all of the talk about Rondo's inconsistency, he's fairly consistent in the playoffs or in big games. He's not a guy that you can question his desire to win. He's more like Kobe Bryant in how he leads which I don't like, but at least I know he's ready to go to war.
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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2012, 05:18:38 PM »

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The only other player to ever have 15+ / 15+ /15+ triple double in the history of the NBA is Jason Kid (x2).

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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2012, 05:19:16 PM »

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I have also found it interesting that the "pro-rondo's" love to say that when he has high assist totals he makes everyone better but when he has low totals it is because the old guys missed shots.

So he gets the credit when others hit jumpers but none of the blame when they miss. And he doesnt get blame when the other team forces him to score and he cant?

Convenient


  This is from an article that was on the front page a day or two ago, but someone on a Widards blog charted our "efficiency" (fg made vs fg attempted and turnovers) off of passes from Rondo. They found that the Celts score on about 35% of our fga/turnovers when the opportunity doesn't come from a Rondo pass and about 56% of our opportunities when they come from a pass from Rondo. I'd say that was quite an increase.

  The people who don't like Rondo and the people who talk about how he's a liability on offense watch him game after game and have no idea that his passing has such an impact on the game. That seems pretty convenient as well.


You can use stats to prove anything, 85% of people know that

There are plenty of reasons for that to be the number, he handles the ball the most of any player when our best shooters are on the court. He is far and away our best (if not only) player who creates true transition opportunities and those are obviously going to be converted at a higher percentage and also there is the huge benefit that even though he takes the second most shots on the team, he has the distinct advantage of never passing the ball to himself and depending on him to convert.

As i said earlier in this post, I think rondo is the best passer in the league, bar none. So do not group me in as a person who "doesnt like rondo". I do not like the gross overrating of him.

Tim, you have never been able to answer me this question. If his value is so great and it is all his creativity and vision then why does the same thing happen in every close game.

Our offense shuts down the last 4 to 6 minutes when he is completely ignored as an offensive threat? If he can control the O so greatly with being a true scoring threat then why does it all just magically disappear when we need points the most?

And if you do not think that our quickest, most athletic, best ballhandling player being horrific at the foul line doesnt negatively impact our offense and ability to close out close 1/2 court games. You are just being intentionally dense.

Today he was 0-6 with a turnover and 3 assists and no foul shots (even though we were in the penalty) as the lead slipped away.

Really do not see the trend in these close games?

Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2012, 05:29:42 PM »

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could not agree more... 4 triple doubles on the year, 2 this week??? thats unbelievable
It's quite believable. Rondo is stat-padding when he gets close to a triple-double. The freelancing for the 10th rebound today was especially appalling, he gave up a wide open three pointer to Baron Davis in a close game.

Great game and all, but don't tell me the team was the first thing on his mind...

  There were 10-12 minutes left in the game when he got his 10th rebound, I don't think he was panicking over it. As far as I'm concerned he can have games where he pads his stats like he did today as often as he likes.

Yes, and that's precisely what made it mind-boggling. There was so much time in the game that you'd think he'll get 1 rebound in the flow of things without doing anything. And still there he was, clearly hunting for that rebound to the point of hurting the team.

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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2012, 05:31:39 PM »

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I have also found it interesting that the "pro-rondo's" love to say that when he has high assist totals he makes everyone better but when he has low totals it is because the old guys missed shots.

So he gets the credit when others hit jumpers but none of the blame when they miss. And he doesnt get blame when the other team forces him to score and he cant?

Convenient


  This is from an article that was on the front page a day or two ago, but someone on a Widards blog charted our "efficiency" (fg made vs fg attempted and turnovers) off of passes from Rondo. They found that the Celts score on about 35% of our fga/turnovers when the opportunity doesn't come from a Rondo pass and about 56% of our opportunities when they come from a pass from Rondo. I'd say that was quite an increase.

  The people who don't like Rondo and the people who talk about how he's a liability on offense watch him game after game and have no idea that his passing has such an impact on the game. That seems pretty convenient as well.

Today he was 0-6 with a turnover and 3 assists and no foul shots (even though we were in the penalty) as the lead slipped away.

Really do not see the trend in these close games?

He was also 2-3 with 5 points, 2 assists, and 5 rebounds in OT...and most of the shots he missed in the 4th quarter were easy layups that he normally makes.

Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2012, 05:39:10 PM »

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The only reason why I'd want Rajon Rondo traded is because of his poor free throw shooting. Otherwise, he is the perfect point guard for this team. Rondo played a solid all all around game today but the issue with Rondo will always be his free throw shooting. He is a great passer, great defender, he has a high basketball I.Q. and he has won a ring with the Celtics so he is pretty much the perfect fit for this team.
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Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2012, 05:42:27 PM »

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  There were 10-12 minutes left in the game when he got his 10th rebound, I don't think he was panicking over it. As far as I'm concerned he can have games where he pads his stats like he did today as often as he likes.

Yes, and that's precisely what made it mind-boggling. There was so much time in the game that you'd think he'll get 1 rebound in the flow of things without doing anything. And still there he was, clearly hunting for that rebound to the point of hurting the team.

Haters will hate.  I thought Rondo played great.  2-3 with 5 points, 2 assists, and 5 rebounds in OT.

Guys we won!  Perhaps enjoy it?

Re: Today's Knicks game is why you don't trade Rajon Rondo
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2012, 05:44:40 PM »

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I have also found it interesting that the "pro-rondo's" love to say that when he has high assist totals he makes everyone better but when he has low totals it is because the old guys missed shots.

So he gets the credit when others hit jumpers but none of the blame when they miss. And he doesnt get blame when the other team forces him to score and he cant?

Convenient


  This is from an article that was on the front page a day or two ago, but someone on a Widards blog charted our "efficiency" (fg made vs fg attempted and turnovers) off of passes from Rondo. They found that the Celts score on about 35% of our fga/turnovers when the opportunity doesn't come from a Rondo pass and about 56% of our opportunities when they come from a pass from Rondo. I'd say that was quite an increase.

  The people who don't like Rondo and the people who talk about how he's a liability on offense watch him game after game and have no idea that his passing has such an impact on the game. That seems pretty convenient as well.

Today he was 0-6 with a turnover and 3 assists and no foul shots (even though we were in the penalty) as the lead slipped away.

Really do not see the trend in these close games?

He was also 2-3 with 5 points, 2 assists, and 5 rebounds in OT...and most of the shots he missed in the 4th quarter were easy layups that he normally makes.

Rondo misses a ton of easy layups, almost all of his shots are open. The issue is the trend of it happening in all close games. And the fact that the trend is so established that other  teams defensive strategy is to completely cave off him in any reasonably close 4th quarter, and it works.

But the fact that he scored in OT out weighs the reality that everybody has seen enough video that it is an established strategy, you are right.

And if PP doesnt hit an off balance 3, OT never happens. Was he intentionally saving it for over time?