Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley

[indeedproceed]

The Beasley/z-Bo comparison seems like a good one as long as Z-Bo gets back to good.

[bostonpatriot]

Beasley is a younger Pierce, offensively. He's a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to. Defensively he's, I will dare say it, better than Pierce (slightly). I think Danny has been trying to get him for years now. Remember the 2009, 2010 rumors...

I think Beasley is one of the worst wing defenders in the league. Pierce is one of the best.

He can be a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to, but he's still an incredibly inefficient  scorer.

Beasley's competence for a wing positions with the Wolves are PGs like Ridnour and Barea and guys like Wayne Ellington, Wes Johnson and Martell Webster. Yet he hasn't managed to carve a solid role for himself.

[southshorematt]

Beasley is a younger Pierce, offensively. He's a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to. Defensively he's, I will dare say it, better than Pierce (slightly). I think Danny has been trying to get him for years now. Remember the 2009, 2010 rumors...

I was going to pull up stats, but what's the point.


Beasley is not Pierce offensively.  Pierce is and was much better.


And Pierce is much better defensively.  



Pierce, Finals MVP.

Beasley, minutes dropped like a rock in the playoffs because his play shrunk.

You do know that its not 2008 right? We're going by ability in 2012 not 2008.

Maybe if PP the Finals MVP in 2008 could've scored some buckets in the last 8 mins of the 2010 Finals we would have 18 banners right now.

[LeoMoreno]

Beasley is a younger Pierce, offensively. He's a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to. Defensively he's, I will dare say it, better than Pierce (slightly). I think Danny has been trying to get him for years now. Remember the 2009, 2010 rumors...

While the reason of our recent 5 (or 6) game slump is Pierce's utterly bad play. Compare this Pierce to Beasley.
I'm exaggerating a bit, of course, PP is a legend, but Beasley is a great pick up if we can get him.
I was going to pull up stats, but what's the point.


Beasley is not Pierce offensively.  Pierce is and was much better.


And Pierce is much better defensively.  



Pierce, Finals MVP.

Beasley, minutes dropped like a rock in the playoffs because his play shrunk.

[CelticG1]

Love people talking about Bass as our second best big and its "not even close" ahhhh duuuh!!!! Our bigs suck and can't stay on the floor. The gap between kg and bass is just as big as the gap between bass and whoever you want to throw in as 3rd. So let's not act like he is anything more than a career back up 7tht 8th man

He's the second best big of an under 500 team that should say enough

[cman88]

How is someone who has averaged double digits the past 3 seasons a lousy basketball player? Beasley like d.west has had his value drop because of off the court issues..

For a team who has trouble scoring but also has a strong lockerroom...if you can get a 23yo sf why not do it? Its not like we are stuck with him longterm and probably don't have to give up a worthy rotation player

[PosImpos]

Okay I'm not going to read through 8 pages of posts but I am imagining that there are a ton of posters here who have the opinion that Beasley is an immature, pot smoking numbskull who should be shunned at all costs.

To those people I say: What was you opinion of Zach Randolph when he was in Los Angeles? What was your opinion of Rasheed Wallace when he was in Portland?

Sometimes these ultra talented players brought into the league at 18 and 19 are so immature and have so much money that they need to grow up and be put into the right situation. Is Michael Beasley going to turn it around? I don't know but my guess here is that he can contribute more to this team than Jermaine O'Neal and that being around veterans like Doc, KG, Pierce and Ray Allen won't hurt him.

The difference is that those players actually did some things at an elite level, albeit for bad teams.  Z-Bo in particular was a scoring and rebounding machine.  His issues were always on the defensive end and off-court. 

I would be for acquiring Beasley if I thought immaturity or a bad attitude were his only problems.  What I don't like is his game.  My other problem is that the only way to really get a look at him would be to sign him for longer than just the rest of this season, which would entail handing him a sizable long term contract.

In their first 4 years in the league Rasheed and ZBo were not elite. Actually comparing their stats it can be argued that Beasley might have been a better player than Rasheed and comparable to ZBo. Neither player gave a hoot about team basketball until they were in their late 20's.

Beasley is 23.

It seems the C's could get enough of a look at Jeff green to determine if he was worth investing in in just half a season. I can't see why they couldn't do the same with Beasley.

I didn't say they were elite, I said they had elite skills.  Z-Bo as an inside / mid-range scorer, Sheed as a defender.  Those two also had the ability to clearly play a specific position (PF).  Beasley is a tweener on both ends of the floor, and hasn't really shown an ability to score efficiently or rebound well.

[byennie]

Beasley has talent. The comparisons are always easy to refute. He's not Rasheed, he's not Z-Bo, well every guy is different. Last year with MIN yeah he was inefficient but he did score 31 points per 48 minutes when he played the 4. Maybe he shouldn't be shooting that much, but there still are only a handful of guys in the league who can do that. He's 23 and could still come around. All that said, we'd obviously be buying low.

Not that I think it's likely, but suppose we did Pierce + Rondo (as mentioned in another thread) plus draft picks for Howard. Pick up Beasley for O'Neal and a small asset. Probably swing a deal for an extra guard to "replace" Rondo at least for depth. Bradley and Howard could have an interesting effect - Avery has shown he's one of the best in the league at full court pressure and shortening the shot clock. Then once you get into your sets, you have Garnett and Howard waiting...

Bradley / Dooling
Allen / / Moore
Beasley / Pietrus
Garnett / Bass / Beasley
Howard / Bass

Then in the offseason we have pretty much the ENTIRE cap (~$52M) to spend on a maxed-out deal for Howard + D-Will, and enough to still sign something like Garnett, Green, Beasley, Allen (pick 3?). For example we could start with this and have money left to spend:

Deron Williams
Avery Bradley
Jeff Green
Kevin Garnett / JaJuan Johnson
Dwight Howard

[chambers]

Beasley has talent. The comparisons are always easy to refute. He's not Rasheed, he's not Z-Bo, well every guy is different. Last year with MIN yeah he was inefficient but he did score 31 points per 48 minutes when he played the 4. Maybe he shouldn't be shooting that much, but there still are only a handful of guys in the league who can do that. He's 23 and could still come around. All that said, we'd obviously be buying low.

Not that I think it's likely, but suppose we did Pierce + Rondo (as mentioned in another thread) plus draft picks for Howard. Pick up Beasley for O'Neal and a small asset. Probably swing a deal for an extra guard to "replace" Rondo at least for depth. Bradley and Howard could have an interesting effect - Avery has shown he's one of the best in the league at full court pressure and shortening the shot clock. Then once you get into your sets, you have Garnett and Howard waiting...

Bradley / Dooling
Allen / / Moore
Beasley / Pietrus
Garnett / Bass / Beasley
Howard / Bass

Then in the offseason we have pretty much the ENTIRE cap (~$52M) to spend on a maxed-out deal for Howard + D-Will, and enough to still sign something like Garnett, Green, Beasley, Allen (pick 3?). For example we could start with this and have money left to spend:

Deron Williams
Avery Bradley
Jeff Green
Kevin Garnett / JaJuan Johnson
Dwight Howard

There's one problem with this:
The fascinating dream of actually acquiring Dwight Howard with Rondo+Pierce. Or anything the Celtics have to offer.
Ain't happening.

[wdleehi]

Beasley is a younger Pierce, offensively. He's a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to. Defensively he's, I will dare say it, better than Pierce (slightly). I think Danny has been trying to get him for years now. Remember the 2009, 2010 rumors...

I was going to pull up stats, but what's the point.


Beasley is not Pierce offensively.  Pierce is and was much better.


And Pierce is much better defensively.  



Pierce, Finals MVP.

Beasley, minutes dropped like a rock in the playoffs because his play shrunk.

You do know that its not 2008 right? We're going by ability in 2012 not 2008.

Maybe if PP the Finals MVP in 2008 could've scored some buckets in the last 8 mins of the 2010 Finals we would have 18 banners right now.

And have you looked at Beasley's numbers in 2012? 

[xmuscularghandix]

Why not acquire Beasley and his bird rights... that gives the C's another option for this summer. Hell he's a young kid with serious upside. That's way better than just rotting away and banking everything on landing a superstar.

[LooseCannon]

I hate potheads.  Beasley is the sort of player I just want to stay away from.

Imagine Jeff Green with more upside and less likelihood to reach his potential.  The plus to acquiring him is that he will probably perform in a way that makes him way more polarizing than Rondo on this forum.

[raynman]

I really liked Beasley back in college but he has just fallen way off because of his attitude.. But I think with the vets we have, we can somehow straighten him up.. And his contract is expiring so he'd be worth the experiment..
Pros:
Young, athletic, big SF, tons of offensive skills..
Cons:
Knucklehead, lazy defender, ballhog..

[Celtics4ever]

Off court attitudes will be bad on a young rebuilding team.  I would pass on him.

[LooseCannon]

If Beasley is Antoine Walker with slightly more accurate shooting and worse rebounding and passing (and BB IQ), what is he worth to you?

Does anyone want to argue that comparison is grossly invalid?  (Hint: one big difference is that Beasley takes long two's as a much higher percentage of his shot selection.)