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Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2012, 02:27:52 PM »

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There is a reason he gets more run then anyone else after the big 4.

I think that reason is that he came in ready to play and KG's minutes are limited, while Wilcox had and early injury and is needed at the 5, JO is on minutes/health watch, and Steimsma and JJ are rookies and aren't ready for big minutes.

I rank our bigs as follows:

KG
Wilcox
JO (if/when healthy)
Bass
JJJ
Steimsma

The top 4 make the rotation.

We have one heck of a drop off from #1 to #2 any way you slice it.  If either Wilcox or Bass are your #2 big, your team is in trouble.  Ditto if your #3 big can't stay healthy and available to play on a consistent basis.

I'd very gladly trade any of them except KG (for this year's run) and JJJ (for the future).  The rest should be very available.  The idea that we NEED Brandon Bass just doesn't make any sense to me, even though he has played and does play well in a limited role.

We will just have to respectfully disagree on this one. I definitely don't think we "NEED" Bass. He's a role player. Yet, he's a very solid role player and if you can get a piece without giving him or someone better up to do so then you do it. I wouldn't move Bass for Beasley. Not sure you have too either. But Bass is without a doubt our second best big after KG in my opinion. I don't event think it's close.


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Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2012, 02:29:54 PM »

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I will get crucified for this, but I would take Darko, Beasley and a pick for Ray.

We not going to win this year. Nor, in my opinion, is our cap room going to be worth much this summer. We stand a near-zero chance of getting one of the top assets, and we don't want to waste money on someone worse.

We need assets, and getting Beasley and a pick is worth the small price of taking on the Darko contract (which expires after 12/13 anyway).

Maybe Beasley or the pick turns into a valuable trade chip (3 #1s this year increases our odds of trading up, among other things). Darko will be tradeable too.

If none of these possibilities pans out, we haven't lost much.
that is a realistic idea and TP!
i am shocked he is only 23, we'd go from being an old team to a next year core of
rondo, jjj, beasley, green, bradley, steimsa, then vets pp and kg
resign bass&peitrus nice roster
We'd loose an offensive presence in starting lineup with ray gone but pietrus would add a more physical defender and spot up 3 pt shooter
beasley and jeff green do fit the same bill  ??? but I guess that would next season's problem

Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2012, 02:31:12 PM »

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Okay I'm not going to read through 8 pages of posts but I am imagining that there are a ton of posters here who have the opinion that Beasley is an immature, pot smoking numbskull who should be shunned at all costs.

To those people I say: What was you opinion of Zach Randolph when he was in Los Angeles? What was your opinion of Rasheed Wallace when he was in Portland?

Sometimes these ultra talented players brought into the league at 18 and 19 are so immature and have so much money that they need to grow up and be put into the right situation. Is Michael Beasley going to turn it around? I don't know but my guess here is that he can contribute more to this team than Jermaine O'Neal and that being around veterans like Doc, KG, Pierce and Ray Allen won't hurt him.

And if he happens to look like he might turn it around and the Celtics start over next year, they have the Bird rights to Michael Beasley, Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and have Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, Avery Bradley, JaJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore and 3 draft picks(1 1st and a 2nd) to build with.

Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2012, 02:38:16 PM »

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Okay I'm not going to read through 8 pages of posts but I am imagining that there are a ton of posters here who have the opinion that Beasley is an immature, pot smoking numbskull who should be shunned at all costs.

To those people I say: What was you opinion of Zach Randolph when he was in Los Angeles? What was your opinion of Rasheed Wallace when he was in Portland?

Sometimes these ultra talented players brought into the league at 18 and 19 are so immature and have so much money that they need to grow up and be put into the right situation. Is Michael Beasley going to turn it around? I don't know but my guess here is that he can contribute more to this team than Jermaine O'Neal and that being around veterans like Doc, KG, Pierce and Ray Allen won't hurt him.



The difference is that those players actually did some things at an elite level, albeit for bad teams.  Z-Bo in particular was a scoring and rebounding machine.  His issues were always on the defensive end and off-court. 

I would be for acquiring Beasley if I thought immaturity or a bad attitude were his only problems.  What I don't like is his game.  My other problem is that the only way to really get a look at him would be to sign him for longer than just the rest of this season, which would entail handing him a sizable long term contract.
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« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2012, 02:38:36 PM »

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The Lakers, also in dire need of a legitimate scoring threat at small forward, have genuine interest in Michael Beasley, but it’s doubtful they’ll use the $8.9 million trade exception (from Lamar Odom being shipped to Dallas) to acquire him because of the increased luxury tax consequences stemming from the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Timberwolves coach Rick Adelman recently committed to boosting Derrick Williams’ minutes, making Beasley extraneous. Minnesota is pushing hard to relocate his $6.2 million expiring contract and have the Nets and Celtics leaning.
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Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #125 on: February 28, 2012, 02:48:50 PM »

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im all for gettin him for the year but then depends on what weree all trying to accomplish but if its for a multi year or whatever and hurts our chances of landing some big name in the offseason then count me out

id hate to be be Danny right now lol
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Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #126 on: February 28, 2012, 03:02:02 PM »

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The Timberwolves are looking to trade Beasley to make more playing time for Williams. Hmm where have I seen this before....Oh yeah last year when the Thunder were looking to dump Green to making more playing time for Harden!

Seriously Beasley needs shots to get his numbers and it comes as no surprise to me that in the last 4 of the 5 games, the one game they lost is when Beasley saw 30+ minutes of playing time.  He's garbage and there was a reason the Heat wanted to ship out a young player like him. There's a reason the Twolves do too. No thanks.

Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2012, 03:14:40 PM »

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Okay I'm not going to read through 8 pages of posts but I am imagining that there are a ton of posters here who have the opinion that Beasley is an immature, pot smoking numbskull who should be shunned at all costs.

To those people I say: What was you opinion of Zach Randolph when he was in Los Angeles? What was your opinion of Rasheed Wallace when he was in Portland?

Sometimes these ultra talented players brought into the league at 18 and 19 are so immature and have so much money that they need to grow up and be put into the right situation. Is Michael Beasley going to turn it around? I don't know but my guess here is that he can contribute more to this team than Jermaine O'Neal and that being around veterans like Doc, KG, Pierce and Ray Allen won't hurt him.



The difference is that those players actually did some things at an elite level, albeit for bad teams.  Z-Bo in particular was a scoring and rebounding machine.  His issues were always on the defensive end and off-court. 

I would be for acquiring Beasley if I thought immaturity or a bad attitude were his only problems.  What I don't like is his game.  My other problem is that the only way to really get a look at him would be to sign him for longer than just the rest of this season, which would entail handing him a sizable long term contract.
In their first 4 years in the league Rasheed and ZBo were not elite. Actually comparing their stats it can be argued that Beasley might have been a better player than Rasheed and comparable to ZBo. Neither player gave a hoot about team basketball until they were in their late 20's.

Beasley is 23.

It seems the C's could get enough of a look at Jeff green to determine if he was worth investing in in just half a season. I can't see why they couldn't do the same with Beasley.

Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2012, 03:16:19 PM »

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I'll take Beasley right now. Young scorer on an expiring contract. sounds good to me. Let's face it folks.... WE CAN'T SCORE THE BASKETBALL. How many times over the last 3 years have we had 3-5 minute stretches in key parts of key games where we can't score the rock. I'd love to have Beasley come off the bench...

Put him in this locker room and he will thrive...

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Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2012, 03:22:47 PM »

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I dont care what kind of attitude this guy have, what he smokes etc.
The guy can play and he proved it last season. He just got a bad start this season being out with a injury. 
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Re: Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley
« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2012, 03:43:19 PM »

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My worry with Beasley is that he is not an efficient scorer. Look at his FG%. Except for 3 point shooting, he is below the league average at his position in every shooting category, including free throws. His PPS is only 1.05, which isn't very good.

This means that he only puts up numbers when he gets minutes and attempts, which he might not get in Boston. Of course, he is young so he has a lot of potential to improve, but don't pretend that you can just plug him onto our team and he will automatically put up 19 points per game.

If he plays the way he currently plays, he will not fit into the Boston system. He can change, yes, but Beasley is definitely a high risk scenario here. Not the safe route for sure.

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« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2012, 03:47:59 PM »

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Beasley is a younger Pierce, offensively. He's a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to. Defensively he's, I will dare say it, better than Pierce (slightly). I think Danny has been trying to get him for years now. Remember the 2009, 2010 rumors...

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« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2012, 03:51:47 PM »

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Beasley is a younger Pierce, offensively. He's a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to. Defensively he's, I will dare say it, better than Pierce (slightly). I think Danny has been trying to get him for years now. Remember the 2009, 2010 rumors...

please stop with this hype, I would be happy to get him on the cheap, but to say he is on PP level offensively and to say he is better defensively is such nonsense .....

PP is  one of the 5-10 best wing players in the league .

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« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2012, 03:53:32 PM »

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Beasley is a younger Pierce, offensively. He's a shooter who can kind of be unstoppable going to the rim when he wants to. Defensively he's, I will dare say it, better than Pierce (slightly). I think Danny has been trying to get him for years now. Remember the 2009, 2010 rumors...


I was going to pull up stats, but what's the point.


Beasley is not Pierce offensively.  Pierce is and was much better.


And Pierce is much better defensively.  



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Beasley, minutes dropped like a rock in the playoffs because his play shrunk.

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« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2012, 04:05:52 PM »

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Okay I'm not going to read through 8 pages of posts but I am imagining that there are a ton of posters here who have the opinion that Beasley is an immature, pot smoking numbskull who should be shunned at all costs.

To those people I say: What was you opinion of Zach Randolph when he was in Los Angeles? What was your opinion of Rasheed Wallace when he was in Portland?

Sometimes these ultra talented players brought into the league at 18 and 19 are so immature and have so much money that they need to grow up and be put into the right situation. Is Michael Beasley going to turn it around? I don't know but my guess here is that he can contribute more to this team than Jermaine O'Neal and that being around veterans like Doc, KG, Pierce and Ray Allen won't hurt him.

And if he happens to look like he might turn it around and the Celtics start over next year, they have the Bird rights to Michael Beasley, Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and have Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, Avery Bradley, JaJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore and 3 draft picks(1 1st and a 2nd) to build with.

Wallace was a very good player and hugely talented. Randolph was a flawed player but a contributor. He just needed a team where he'd fit better.

Beasley has potential, but he never showed the type of ability to produce those guys displayed. He could become the most mature person in the world and the ultimate consummate professional tomorrow and he'd still be lousy as a basketball player.

I agree with others: Beasley can't play at the 3 and as a backup PF, Bass is simply better as of now.