Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley

[indeedproceed]

That's great that bass is efficient but bottom line is we are under 500the in need of a shake up,  in need of someone who could potentially carry the team offensively at times.

That's great that bass can shoot 5/7 every game but that's pretty much where it ends.

What do you mean? When has Beasley ever been able to carry a winning team at times? He couldn't in Miami, and that was the problem.

I'm not saying Beasley wouldn't be useful, but I am saying that him and Bass are pretty much bringing the same amount of overall wins to the table as rotation players.

w

Well beasley was the second scoring option for the miami in what his second year? Bass was barely a rotation player for the Magic.

I don't see the risk in this move whatsoever. When was the last time Bass played anyway?

Also Bass was known as a terrible  defender in Orlando and now he seems ok in our system so let's wipe that reason out right away

I'd never thought of Bass as a terrible defender.

[PAOBoston]

i'm not sure why people are against this player/deal so much.

if you havent noticed, the c's are running out of big bodies. JO is, well....JO. Bass has had a bum knee and could be out longer possibly. wilcox is always in/out with injuries. that leaves steimsa (who offers nothing offensively and who is a liability defensively), JJJ (who is a rookie), and a really old KG.

if you can get beasely (who also is an expiring) on the team for cheap, you do it. if anything, he'll give you some depth. and he seems like the type of guy ainge would target: young, tons of potential, low risk, and i think he restricted after this year as well (? not 100% sure on that though).

he woulnt be that bad of an option. i'd rather take him over blatche

[MBunge]

The main issue is who can Ainge get and what does he have to give up.  If you can get guy with Beasley's talent and no salary commitment after this season for no more than JO and a lottery-protected 1st rounder, where's the deal that's better than that?

Mike

[Celts Fan 92]

From Wages of Wins:

Basiically, if you gave all of Beasley’s minutes to Williams, the Wolves could easily have won 4-5 games by now. No, I’m not joking. Beasley is truly earth-shatteringly bad. To put in perspective what a selfish chucker Beasley is, he ranks 8th among small forwards the NBA in FGA per 48 minutes (50 minutes minimum), but fifty-first in true shooting. No, not 51st in the NBA, 51st among small forwards. That means that essentially all of the starting SFs and two-thirds of the back-up SFs in the league are shooting better than he is, but he’s shooting 22 shots per 48. And I don’t keep stats for “contested 22-footers per 48″ but having watched every Timberwolves game I’m going to guess he leads the league by a fat margin, ahead of even Kobe (I’m guessing that’s the reason that he’s 25th among small forwards at getting to the line, despite all those shots). Oh, yeah, and he turns the ball over a ****ton. In short, Beasley is the very definition of a player that shoots you out of games. Every single time they choose to iso Beasley instead of just letting Ridnour or Rubio create off the dribble / pick-n-roll, a Timberwolf pup dies in the wild.

Williams is as turnover prone as Beasley, but I can chalk Williams’ TOs up to rookie mistakes and a general rookie “over-eager” attitude, which he may learn from. Most of his TOs come from ill-advised passes. Beasley, however, is a third-year player; the vast majority of his turnovers come from him trying to “create a shot” (a phrase that I guarantee I’ll be ranting about in a future article) and I don’t expect him to change anytime soon.

Like I mentioned a few months ago in a thread regarding Beasley -- where was the article that talked about him averaging 19.2 pts per game in 32 minutes or shooting solid percentages from the field, 3, and the line?

points per 48 and individual shooting percentages don't give an accurate picture of a player's worth or efficiency.

Basically, Beasley plays as if he is Kevin Durant when his offensive talent is closer to Dorell Wright or Marvin Williams.  Suffice to say that Beasley hurts teams more than he helps them.

dont disrespect Beasley like tht his offense is WAY better then those system players super cool beas also played in China nd was roomates wit Pierce during the lockout the more i look at it the more i see him in celtic green

[Evantime34]

Can someone clear something up for me? Was the lakers rumor their tpe for beasley or were picks included? If they are desperate to get rid of him maybe we could swing a deal. Ray to a team under the cap like indiana for a first. Then use the tpe to get beasley, maybe for the price of taking darko's contract.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

the guy can flat-out score in bunches, and along with Rondo and Pierce gives us another player who can get his own shot (when things break down).  Not sure about anyone else, but I'm tired of watching games where we score 13 or 14 pts in a quarter.  It's downright embarrassing.  This is a move that Danny can and should make.  Beasley, Ridnour, and see if Kahn is dumb enough to include Randolph too.  Send them JO, Wilcox, Bradley, and the Clips pick. We also might need to throw in Sasha or Marquis to make the salaries match.

I agree that the low scoring is embarrassing (TP for that). These are professional basketball players. And they routinely have trouble reaching 20 points in a quarter, often against mediocre-to-bad teams. And this isn't a temporary thing; through much of the Big 3 Era these guys have struggled to put up points. I realize that their offensive efficiency is usually pretty good, and probably someone will post those stats to try to disprove my point, but offensive efficiency stats can be misleading: no matter how efficient your offense, you're going to struggle to win if you get only 85 possessions a game (and turn the ball over about 15 of those possessions). It forces your defense to play nearly flawless basketball in order to win, which is just too much to expect.

Also, I remember how these guys flipped the switch back in 2010, but we can't expect that again. People keep preaching patience with this team, but there's got to be a point of no return with these guys. At the beginning of the season people said be patient, and I concurred, because it was a rushed training camp (though the players should've been taking better care of themselves during the lockout). So we waited. And they seemed to be getting their act together, but the last three weeks they've stunk again, and we're now a mere two weeks from the trade deadline — and they probably don't have even two full weeks to get their act together; I have a feeling that if they stink it up these first four games out of the break — all of which they should win — we may see action well before March 15.

This team just baffles me, it really does. Is it because Doc won't change things up to suit his personnel? Too many key guys are just too old? Players expecting that things will just go their way? A combination? I realize that injuries have (once again) piled up on this team, but that doesn't account for Pierce's recent bad shooting, or the team's inability (unwillingness?) to rebound, or their horrible turnover rate. It seems to me that the real problem is with their heads. The good news about that is it's something that can be changed and improved upon; the bad news is that they've shown no indication yet of doing that.

[Inside-Out]

The Bass vs. Beasley efficiency thing is pretty bogus, IMO.

As an undersized, 5'10" Power Forward, I could go 4/7 from the field shooting the wide-open 17ft jumpers that Bass shoots and have a correspondingly high efficiency with low turnovers (if, like Bass, I never looked to move the ball).

As a player with a jersey, any hope of efficiency playing in the dysfunctional mess of Minny under Rambis or in Miami in their tank/clear-the-decks-for-Lebron year would be completely unrealistic.

So let's not worry about efficiency too much.  Let's look at a proven scorer with versatile talents  against an UNDERSIZED CAREER BACKUP and realize there is a huge difference in ability between Bass and Beasley.

So far as JGreen goes, I think Paul might move to SG next year next to Green, with Beasley off the bench, or even starting.

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Beasley
Howard

And as Tommy would say, RUN BABY, RUN!

[Celts Fan 92]

Also who off our bench can give us the 16ppg that Beasley averages for his career?

[slamtheking]

if he can be had for cheap (JO & Moore/2nd round pick), I'd probably do it.  C's would have to get a big to replace JO though.

as bench player, he'd be a good piece.  as a future starter if resigned, not so much.

[KCattheStripe]

The Bass vs. Beasley efficiency thing is pretty bogus, IMO.

As an undersized, 5'10" Power Forward, I could go 4/7 from the field shooting the wide-open 17ft jumpers that Bass shoots and have a correspondingly high efficiency with low turnovers (if, like Bass, I never looked to move the ball).

[Boris Badenov]

Doesn't anyone else find Vecsey's logic suspicious?

"Minnesota is pushing hard to relocate his $6.2 million expiring contract and have the Nets and Celtics leaning."

How does this make sense? Expiring contracts are the easiest in the world to get rid of - you just let them expire!

Either Minny wants a trade exception back, which we don't have, or they are absolutely desperate to unload this kid for a bag of balls rather than let him expire, because they are 100% sure they won't want to re-sign him. Bad for us either way.

[indeedproceed]

The Bass vs. Beasley efficiency thing is pretty bogus, IMO.

As an undersized, 5'10" Power Forward, I could go 4/7 from the field shooting the wide-open 17ft jumpers that Bass shoots and have a correspondingly high efficiency with low turnovers (if, like Bass, I never looked to move the ball).

As a player with a jersey, any hope of efficiency playing in the dysfunctional mess of Minny under Rambis or in Miami in their tank/clear-the-decks-for-Lebron year would be completely unrealistic.

So let's not worry about efficiency too much.  Let's look at a proven scorer with versatile talents  against an UNDERSIZED CAREER BACKUP and realize there is a huge difference in ability between Bass and Beasley.

So far as JGreen goes, I think Paul might move to SG next year next to Green, with Beasley off the bench, or even starting.

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Beasley
Howard

And as Tommy would say, RUN BABY, RUN!

I don't agree with anything you said, from Bass's height (he's 6'6.25 without shoes, Beasley is 6'7), to you being able to hit 4/7 17fters in an NBA game, to a high efficiency mark being easy to come by (really underselling how well Bass has been playing), to Bass never looking to move the ball (Bass has an assist ratio of 7.3%, Beasley is at 6.8%, which means Beasley actually passes even less frequently than Bass, and is among the league worst mark for SF's), to players being unable to post good seasons under Rambis/Spolestra in those years (Love and Wade disagree).

[wdleehi]

Also who off our bench can give us the 16ppg that Beasley averages for his career?

Who off the Celtics bench is going to be given 16 shots a game and play over 28 minutes a game?  (the rest of his career averages)


Especially when Pierce leads the team with just under 14 shots a game.  

[Celtics4ever]

Vecsey = unfounded trash journalism and pure speculation....

[Inside-Out]

The Bass vs. Beasley efficiency thing is pretty bogus, IMO.

As an undersized, 5'10" Power Forward, I could go 4/7 from the field shooting the wide-open 17ft jumpers that Bass shoots and have a correspondingly high efficiency with low turnovers (if, like Bass, I never looked to move the ball).

As a player with a jersey, any hope of efficiency playing in the dysfunctional mess of Minny under Rambis or in Miami in their tank/clear-the-decks-for-Lebron year would be completely unrealistic.

So let's not worry about efficiency too much.  Let's look at a proven scorer with versatile talents  against an UNDERSIZED CAREER BACKUP and realize there is a huge difference in ability between Bass and Beasley.

So far as JGreen goes, I think Paul might move to SG next year next to Green, with Beasley off the bench, or even starting.

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Beasley
Howard

And as Tommy would say, RUN BABY, RUN!

I don't agree with anything you said, from Bass's height (he's 6'6.25 without shoes, Beasley is 6'7), to you being able to hit 4/7 17fters in an NBA game, to a high efficiency mark being easy to come by (really underselling how well Bass has been playing), to Bass never looking to move the ball (Bass has an assist ratio of 7.3%, Beasley is at 6.8%, which means Beasley actually passes even less frequently than Bass, and is among the league worst mark for SF's), to players being unable to post good seasons under Rambis/Spolestra in those years (Love and Wade disagree).

TP for a rare show of civility and respect on CB by disagreeing kindly.  Usually, folks just lambast each other.

The point was to really think about what Bass brings to the table:  hitting wide-open jumpers on pick/pop plays.  It's not exactly rocket science, and they're not especially difficult shots (high school players make them).  He's a career journeyman backup 7th man who seems to embrace that role.  That's a strong reason he'll have a long career in the NBA on someone's roster.

Comparing two of the most reluctant passers in the game to each other is surely no way to make either one look good, and to compare either to franchise superstars like Wade and Love...well...I dunno.  Two superstars that put up solid individual stats on not-so-good teams in these cases...doesn't say much about either guy.

My view is essentially that Bass is an accessory piece, a complete and total role player in a backup role that can't really be very successful as a starter.  Bass is even a role player with the reserves, not a focal point that Beasley could be off the bench.  That's the bottom line, IMO.


There is a pretty big difference between a legit 6th man, who could, would, and perhaps should be a starter, and a 7th man who belongs, fits well, and embraces the role of coming off the bench.

We seem to annoint our top-scoring bench player as 6MOY contender, but if we're being seriously honest, do players like Bass (and BBD last year) compare in talent in any way near the level of Jason Terry or Lamar Odom (last season)?