Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley

[PosImpos]

Eh.

I'd be more intrigued if Beasley was actually good.

Problem is, he's not.  He's a tweener that doesn't play defense, and doesn't shoot it a high clip.  Doesn't have a good low post game.  Doesn't rebound.  He's just a guy that can spread the floor a bit, and he's not even that good of a shooter at that.  Basically, he's Rodney Rogers with a much worse attitude, and even a hair worse of a shooter.  So, in essence, he isn't that good.

Couple that with his attitude problems? Even if you get him straightened out - like I said, he's a 'meh' player.

Also, it's not like this guy hasn't had chances and has been in bad situations.  In Miami, he was under the wing of Pat Riley (coached by Spoelstra), and played along side an NBA champion in Dwayne Wade.  Then he played under Rick Adelman, a highly respected, and very successful NBA head coach.  No one has been able to solve him.

And it's not like we'd have a chance at getting him for free, either.  Lakers are interested.  He's going to, at the very least, cost a first round draft pick or two.

Plus, what does this mean for Bass? is he more hurt than we realize?

I agree with all of this.  Beasley may figure it out some day, but it shouldn't be on our dime.

[GreenFaith1819]

I've seen a good level of dislike for several players here over the last few weeks - Blatche, Josh Smith, and Michael Beasely.

To me, the fact is that we don't have a lot of options, here - especially with salary constraints, Danny looking to perhaps remain a player in free  agency next yr, etc.

So many rumors are out there...the new one with the interest in Ray Allen...the Pau for Rondo rumors, etc. I think that with Pau - Rondo, this would change our team significantly, and may or may not allow us to contend this year.

But with Blatche? Beasely? Either one of these two could help us, and I'm betting that we wouldn't have to give up Rondo to get either one of them, which for me is the clincher here.

Beasely is 6'10", can play SF (and I bet some PF if need be), he fills a need (loves to score), and the man has considerable untapped potential.

Glancing at his stats, he's not shooting great from the field (42%,), but he's shooting 43% from deep.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslmi01.html

Plus, I don't think he'd be a slouch on defense, either.

I am a believer that Blatche, Josh Smith, and in this thread Beasely - if they came to Boston - would fit in and prosper and help the team. We have a different mindset here and vet leadership that is not found in many other places.

I'm believing that if "The Big Rumor...Pau-Rondo" doesn't happen, BOS will still need to make a move in order to fortify ourselves for the next several months. I firmly believe that. If this wasn't true, then why did Danny try so fervently to trade for CP3 and try to sign David West?

Danny saw a need before the season started, and was unfortunately unsuccessful in acquiring those pieces.

I give Danny Ainge an A for effort, though.

I want Celtics Basketball in June 2012, and Bease (or Blatche) could IMO help this team achieve that.

Imagine this:

PG - Rondo (still in Green ), AB, Moore
SG - Ray, Pietrus, Moore
SF - Paul, Beasely, Pietrus, Daniels, Sasha?
PF - KG, Bass, Beasely, JJ
C - JO, Wilcox

We'd still be a bit thin at C, with JO's health and all, but I still believe that Bease fits a need.

[indeedproceed]

That's great that bass is efficient but bottom line is we are under 500the in need of a shake up,  in need of someone who could potentially carry the team offensively at times.

That's great that bass can shoot 5/7 every game but that's pretty much where it ends.

What do you mean? When has Beasley ever been able to carry a winning team at times? He couldn't in Miami, and that was the problem.

I'm not saying Beasley wouldn't be useful, but I am saying that him and Bass are pretty much bringing the same amount of overall wins to the table as rotation players.

[celticpride07]

beasley, wes johnson, derrick williams for ray allen and JO

[lantinm]

From Wages of Wins:

Basiically, if you gave all of Beasley’s minutes to Williams, the Wolves could easily have won 4-5 games by now. No, I’m not joking. Beasley is truly earth-shatteringly bad. To put in perspective what a selfish chucker Beasley is, he ranks 8th among small forwards the NBA in FGA per 48 minutes (50 minutes minimum), but fifty-first in true shooting. No, not 51st in the NBA, 51st among small forwards. That means that essentially all of the starting SFs and two-thirds of the back-up SFs in the league are shooting better than he is, but he’s shooting 22 shots per 48. And I don’t keep stats for “contested 22-footers per 48″ but having watched every Timberwolves game I’m going to guess he leads the league by a fat margin, ahead of even Kobe (I’m guessing that’s the reason that he’s 25th among small forwards at getting to the line, despite all those shots). Oh, yeah, and he turns the ball over a ****ton. In short, Beasley is the very definition of a player that shoots you out of games. Every single time they choose to iso Beasley instead of just letting Ridnour or Rubio create off the dribble / pick-n-roll, a Timberwolf pup dies in the wild.

Williams is as turnover prone as Beasley, but I can chalk Williams’ TOs up to rookie mistakes and a general rookie “over-eager” attitude, which he may learn from. Most of his TOs come from ill-advised passes. Beasley, however, is a third-year player; the vast majority of his turnovers come from him trying to “create a shot” (a phrase that I guarantee I’ll be ranting about in a future article) and I don’t expect him to change anytime soon.

Like I mentioned a few months ago in a thread regarding Beasley -- where was the article that talked about him averaging 19.2 pts per game in 32 minutes or shooting solid percentages from the field, 3, and the line?

[PosImpos]

From Wages of Wins:

Basiically, if you gave all of Beasley’s minutes to Williams, the Wolves could easily have won 4-5 games by now. No, I’m not joking. Beasley is truly earth-shatteringly bad. To put in perspective what a selfish chucker Beasley is, he ranks 8th among small forwards the NBA in FGA per 48 minutes (50 minutes minimum), but fifty-first in true shooting. No, not 51st in the NBA, 51st among small forwards. That means that essentially all of the starting SFs and two-thirds of the back-up SFs in the league are shooting better than he is, but he’s shooting 22 shots per 48. And I don’t keep stats for “contested 22-footers per 48″ but having watched every Timberwolves game I’m going to guess he leads the league by a fat margin, ahead of even Kobe (I’m guessing that’s the reason that he’s 25th among small forwards at getting to the line, despite all those shots). Oh, yeah, and he turns the ball over a ****ton. In short, Beasley is the very definition of a player that shoots you out of games. Every single time they choose to iso Beasley instead of just letting Ridnour or Rubio create off the dribble / pick-n-roll, a Timberwolf pup dies in the wild.

Williams is as turnover prone as Beasley, but I can chalk Williams’ TOs up to rookie mistakes and a general rookie “over-eager” attitude, which he may learn from. Most of his TOs come from ill-advised passes. Beasley, however, is a third-year player; the vast majority of his turnovers come from him trying to “create a shot” (a phrase that I guarantee I’ll be ranting about in a future article) and I don’t expect him to change anytime soon.

Like I mentioned a few months ago in a thread regarding Beasley -- where was the article that talked about him averaging 19.2 pts per game in 32 minutes or shooting solid percentages from the field, 3, and the line?

points per 48 and individual shooting percentages don't give an accurate picture of a player's worth or efficiency.

Basically, Beasley plays as if he is Kevin Durant when his offensive talent is closer to Dorell Wright or Marvin Williams.  Suffice to say that Beasley hurts teams more than he helps them.

[CoachBo]

Knowing Mike personally as I do, he is not a cancer. He is an immature kid who's never been asked to do the things winning basketball players do for winning basketball teams. So the veteran mentorship thing is correct.

However ... all Mike needs to fall off the wagon is one other immature player to lead him back to his past.

So with Rondo heaving balls at officials, heaving water bottles at screens and not bringing it every night, I have to reluctantly arrive at this conclusion:

As long as Rondo's on our roster, we can't add Beasley. It won't work.

[Evantime34]

I loved beasley in college but he really hasn't shown much in the nba. He wouldn't be the first talented player to learn to play d and move the ball after doing neither of those things, however it's not likely.

I would trade him for jo if jo ended up being done for the year. If we have decided we want to move Ray for a first, I would accept bradley along with other t wolves to make the salaries match.

[JSD]

Ainge doesn't want Beasley, he wants the draft pick that would come with the expiring contracts gained by sending KG back to Sota.

[Chris]

Knowing Mike personally as I do, he is not a cancer. He is an immature kid who's never been asked to do the things winning basketball players do for winning basketball teams. So the veteran mentorship thing is correct.

However ... all Mike needs to fall off the wagon is one other immature player to lead him back to his past.

So with Rondo heaving balls at officials, heaving water bottles at screens and not bringing it every night, I have to reluctantly arrive at this conclusion:

As long as Rondo's on our roster, we can't add Beasley. It won't work.

GREAT point.  And that is exactly the impression I have gotten of Beasley.  Not a bad person, not necessarily overly selfish or anything...just incredibly immature.  And I think he and Rondo would not be a good partnership at all.

Then again, as a couple month rental to add some scoring and a little rebounding...I am all for it.

[PosImpos]

Knowing Mike personally as I do, he is not a cancer. He is an immature kid who's never been asked to do the things winning basketball players do for winning basketball teams. So the veteran mentorship thing is correct.

However ... all Mike needs to fall off the wagon is one other immature player to lead him back to his past.

So with Rondo heaving balls at officials, heaving water bottles at screens and not bringing it every night, I have to reluctantly arrive at this conclusion:

As long as Rondo's on our roster, we can't add Beasley. It won't work.

GREAT point.  And that is exactly the impression I have gotten of Beasley.  Not a bad person, not necessarily overly selfish or anything...just incredibly immature.  And I think he and Rondo would not be a good partnership at all.

Then again, as a couple month rental to add some scoring and a little rebounding...I am all for it.

Assuming what CoachBo says is true, maybe what could work then, is to acquire Beasley in a larger deal that also sends out Rondo . . . .

[syfy9]

Knowing Mike personally as I do, he is not a cancer. He is an immature kid who's never been asked to do the things winning basketball players do for winning basketball teams. So the veteran mentorship thing is correct.

However ... all Mike needs to fall off the wagon is one other immature player to lead him back to his past.

So with Rondo heaving balls at officials, heaving water bottles at screens and not bringing it every night, I have to reluctantly arrive at this conclusion:

As long as Rondo's on our roster, we can't add Beasley. It won't work.

I disagree with the Rondo point. He is not immature, he is stubborn. BUT he plays to win, that's why he steps us in the playoffs, against upper class teams, and elevates his game when it matters most. If anything, that will help Beasley more.

[lantinm]

From Wages of Wins:

Basiically, if you gave all of Beasley’s minutes to Williams, the Wolves could easily have won 4-5 games by now. No, I’m not joking. Beasley is truly earth-shatteringly bad. To put in perspective what a selfish chucker Beasley is, he ranks 8th among small forwards the NBA in FGA per 48 minutes (50 minutes minimum), but fifty-first in true shooting. No, not 51st in the NBA, 51st among small forwards. That means that essentially all of the starting SFs and two-thirds of the back-up SFs in the league are shooting better than he is, but he’s shooting 22 shots per 48. And I don’t keep stats for “contested 22-footers per 48″ but having watched every Timberwolves game I’m going to guess he leads the league by a fat margin, ahead of even Kobe (I’m guessing that’s the reason that he’s 25th among small forwards at getting to the line, despite all those shots). Oh, yeah, and he turns the ball over a ****ton. In short, Beasley is the very definition of a player that shoots you out of games. Every single time they choose to iso Beasley instead of just letting Ridnour or Rubio create off the dribble / pick-n-roll, a Timberwolf pup dies in the wild.

Williams is as turnover prone as Beasley, but I can chalk Williams’ TOs up to rookie mistakes and a general rookie “over-eager” attitude, which he may learn from. Most of his TOs come from ill-advised passes. Beasley, however, is a third-year player; the vast majority of his turnovers come from him trying to “create a shot” (a phrase that I guarantee I’ll be ranting about in a future article) and I don’t expect him to change anytime soon.

Like I mentioned a few months ago in a thread regarding Beasley -- where was the article that talked about him averaging 19.2 pts per game in 32 minutes or shooting solid percentages from the field, 3, and the line?

points per 48 and individual shooting percentages don't give an accurate picture of a player's worth or efficiency.

Basically, Beasley plays as if he is Kevin Durant when his offensive talent is closer to Dorell Wright or Marvin Williams.  Suffice to say that Beasley hurts teams more than he helps them.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.  The #'s I gave were his actually stats from last year (not per 48).  Additionally, this kid was the 2nd pick in the draft and has immense talent.  He just hasn't realized it yet.  Dorell Wright and Marvin Williams are nice role players, but Beasley clearly has more upside at this point.

[CelticG1]

That's great that bass is efficient but bottom line is we are under 500the in need of a shake up,  in need of someone who could potentially carry the team offensively at times.

That's great that bass can shoot 5/7 every game but that's pretty much where it ends.

What do you mean? When has Beasley ever been able to carry a winning team at times? He couldn't in Miami, and that was the problem.

I'm not saying Beasley wouldn't be useful, but I am saying that him and Bass are pretty much bringing the same amount of overall wins to the table as rotation players.

w

Well beasley was the second scoring option for the miami in what his second year? Bass was barely a rotation player for the Magic.

I don't see the risk in this move whatsoever. When was the last time Bass played anyway?

Also Bass was known as a terrible  defender in Orlando and now he seems ok in our system so let's wipe that reason out right away

[GreenFaith1819]

Knowing Mike personally as I do, he is not a cancer. He is an immature kid who's never been asked to do the things winning basketball players do for winning basketball teams. So the veteran mentorship thing is correct.

However ... all Mike needs to fall off the wagon is one other immature player to lead him back to his past.

So with Rondo heaving balls at officials, heaving water bottles at screens and not bringing it every night, I have to reluctantly arrive at this conclusion:

As long as Rondo's on our roster, we can't add Beasley. It won't work.

The more and more I hit "replay" on that Rondo ball-toss at the ref, I wonder if the ref was really ready to catch that ball....Rondo tossed it, sure - but that ref wasn't exactly ready to catch it.

So what we have (at least to me), is Rondo being upset at a bad/non-call, and a ref who perhaps had his head turned away or was not ready to receive a routine ball toss.

The NBA turned around and put him in the All-Star game, too - after the suspension.

But I share your view on Beasely - he's not a bad apple. But I do differ with you about Rondo being one.

Anyone who's associated in trades for CP3 and Pau Gasol can't be too bad an apple.