If I understand this correctly the plan is to let KG walk for nothing, try to get Bynum for nothing, hold on to Ray for two more years after this one. THEN try to sign a free agent, not this summer, but next summer when we let PP walk for nothing.
For me personally the attraction to blowing it up is giving Doc no choice but to play young guys. If Ray is still around Bradley won't get pt (unless Rondo is gone and only if we don't get a vet pg in return....we get Jordan Farmar and Bradley goes back on the milk carton). If Bass or KG or Green is around we're gonna need an Amber Alert to find JJJ at the end of the bench.
I think Doc not playing young players has proven to be false so many times on this blog, that to even respond to it is just a complete and utter waste of time, but here goes.
Give Doc these players and he will grow them....IF THEY HAVE TALENT.
Proof:
List all the players that Doc got as young players that are striving elsewhere.
Hint:
Don't choose Bill Walker as he is only still in the NBA because NY gutted that team of talent except for their top three stars and Landry Fields and now Jeremy Lin.
Oh it's been proven false repeatedly here on this blog, but in real life in the NBA it is being proven right now.
Are you saying JJJ, Bradley, and Moore don't have talent? And that they won't do well elsewhere.
I think maybe you mean young players that Doc didn't play that are doing well elsewhere. Because obviously there are young players that went elsewhere and did fine.
I'd point to Tony Allen as someone who was here even with the Big 3 and we miss him pretty bad.
Also I don't think there was much need for young players once the Big 3 was here. Plus we started picking pretty low in the draft. There is no comparison between JR Giddens and JJJ, but there is some valid comparison to JJJ and Al Jefferson. There is no comparison between Etwaun Moore and Orien Green, but there is some valid comparison between him and Delonte.
Allen played here 6 years he was 27 when he left on his own accord and he got plenty of playing time here. He averaged 18-19 MPG here. He only averaged 20 MPG last year in Memphis. His stats haven't really changed. He just didn't want to be here.
Jefferson was traded for another asset. What he is doing elsewhere he did here in his last year.
Doc developed both these players and played them. Your examples make zero sense.
Doc develops players at a pace that is proven to be best for them. If they develop quickly they get playing time(see Mike Miller, Glen Davis, Rajon Rondo, Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Delonte West) and vets are discarded. If they develop slowly they get spoon fed minutes until they are ready(see Perkins, Bradley, Moore, Johnson, Powe, Allan).If they suck, they almost never see the floor and then are discarded and never are heard from again(see Oriene Greene, JR Giddens, Lester Hudson, Luke Haragody, Semih Erden, Allan Ray, Brandon Hunter, Kedrick Brown, Joesph Forte)
It's possible that you're essentially right -- that the players Doc doesn't give playing time to would never have made it in the league anyway.
But recognize, at least, that you're relying on a certain presumption: you're treating young NBA players as if they enter the league as unidentified but nonetheless definite quantities as players. You assume the opposite of the "Schrodinger's Cat" proposition -- what's in the box isn't changed by your attempt to look at it.
In other words, you're operating on the assumption that those players would not have turned out differently if they had been given support and playing time from the start of their careers. You provide the fact that they've failed to make it elsewhere as proof that they didn't deserve playing time on the Celtics. Maybe that's right. But you assume that their lack of playing time and the absence of the confidence of an NBA coaching staff in them at the beginning of their careers had no effect on whether they ultimately made it in the league.
I would suggest otherwise; perhaps for many players that initial failure to gain any kind of traction or be given the benefit of confidence from a coaching staff can rob them of confidence, direction, or drive that might ruin them as players. Only rarely does a player, like Jeremy Lin, find a way to overcome that failure, even using it as fuel for greater future success.
Point being, as a general rule, you're probably right that if a player doesn't make it elsewhere it vindicates Doc for not giving them playing time. But it doesn't logically follow that simply because a player failed to make a career for himself after leaving the Celtics it means they never deserved playing time when they were on the team, or that they couldn't have developed into a valuable rotation player.
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