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What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« on: February 24, 2012, 03:05:21 AM »

Offline chambers

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So what course of action do YOU want Danny+the office to take?

If we (probably) lose out on Dwight Howard, should we completely forget a serious re-tool around Rondo?

Obviously Danny will wait to see what happens with Deron/Dwight.

When he/they go to the Nets or Mavs, do you accumulate picks and put yourself in a position to get lucky? As Lebron and Wade reach the end of their tenure on the NBA, put ourselves in a position to take over the league just as the OKC Thunder have done as the Lakers and Celtics slowly fall away from the top spot?

Right now I see two main options for Danny:


A) rebuild around Rondo, which means moving Pierce for cap spacemost likely and letting Jeff Green have his time in the sun, getting other star veterans with capspace like Gasol+Iguadala+ another high level FA (James Harden?) over the next two years. Perhaps as Elrod Enchilada mentions in his recent article, we sign Ray and KG to the two 2.5 million exceptions and bolster our bench with them given this route.

B) Or completely blow it up and rebuild from scratch.

 If we choose option B, I'm conflicted on keeping Rondo or using him as our most powerful chip in order to get one of those lottery picks that we desperately need.
If we got lucky and had a shortish rebuild of 3-4 years, he'd be 29 and still in his prime, but a more likely 7-10 year rebuild means we miss most of his glory days and end up with less assetts than we need for 7-8 years from now.

What option do you choose?
Or do you have another preference?
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 03:12:29 AM »

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keep rondo, add austin rivers by any means necessary. if it means trading ray allen for the ability to get rivers, then by all means do it. Austin is a younger version of ray ray basically. then you now have a one two punch in guards, and still have cap flexability to sign some nice bigs since austin is a rookie.

rondo + rivers is crazy to think about.

What do you prefer? Blow it up or Re-tool around Rondo?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 03:19:43 AM »

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its really a case of whichever opportunity comes first on the trading block available and beneficial to us, the pieces to complement rondo as the future or those who can stick it out with the big 3's almost certain final run...
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 04:47:20 AM »

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First preference - rebuilding with Rondo, not as a franchise player but as a building block

Second preference - trading Rondo for a high draft pick and enter into a full blown rebuilding process

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 05:21:58 AM »

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First preference - rebuilding with Rondo, not as a franchise player but as a building block

Second preference - trading Rondo for a high draft pick and enter into a full blown rebuilding process

Do you move Pierce as well? If so, for anything including a first round pick?
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 06:15:21 AM »

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First preference - rebuilding with Rondo, not as a franchise player but as a building block

Second preference - trading Rondo for a high draft pick and enter into a full blown rebuilding process

Do you move Pierce as well? If so, for anything including a first round pick?
Yeah, in both scenarios, I would be trying to trade Pierce.

Firstly, I'd pursue a young low level star (Rudy Gay or Josh Smith type) but if that wasn't available I'd go with a trade package that has the best mix of cap flexibility and multiple draft picks (since Pierce is likely going to a contender they'll be low picks).

Feel very ungrateful trading Pierce .... but short of getting lucky and acquiring Dwight Howard, I find it very difficult to see how this works out with Pierce still on the roster. I'd happily reconsider that stance though if someone did come up a plan that involves Pierce staying.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 07:00:53 AM »

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This is a hard call and will be one of the most heavily debated topics here.

If we build around Rondo we need running guys or shooters.  People say running never wins but the 80's lakers and the 60's Celtics did quite well.

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 07:25:43 AM »

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This is a hard call and will be one of the most heavily debated topics here.

If we build around Rondo we need running guys or shooters.  People say running never wins but the 80's lakers and the 60's Celtics did quite well.

I've said this before, but I think the Heat and the Thunder have been built on a run and gun offensive system that relies on interior defensive rebounding to initiate that offense.
More shots, and more easy baskets from running the floor.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 07:48:57 AM »

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Its a lot easier to rebuild and attract free agents when you already have an established allstar on your team...vs starting with nothing and hoping yyour players become allstars..

For every thunder and bulls there is many more charlottes raptors and washingtons...who have been in the lottery for YEARS and are still doormats

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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 07:50:15 AM »

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I'm for plan B

By the time we amass enough talent to be a relevant playoff team again Rondo will be 30 and either looking to move on to a veteran team or cash in for a big pay day (or both).

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People say running never wins but the 80's lakers and the 60's Celtics did quite well.

This is true about the lakers and Cs however those teams also had all time great players that completely dominated there positions. The typical championship team plays stellar defense and are very officiant in the half court on offense.

As I have posted before, to rebuild trade rondo + jo to utah for d harris,kanter and hopefully a pick . Then trade ray to the clipper for Bledsoe,Foye and Cook.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 08:05:26 AM »

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Dwade is 30 he's still pretty athletic...and pierce was in his 30s when the c's became contendors

Fact is you need a building block to rebuild...kg and ray don't want to come here without pierce...id rather have a building block than draft everyyear hoping someone is that building block...its going to be much easier convincing talent to come here with rondo at the point ragher than avery bradley

You have to start somewhere...or else you end up like the bobcats in eternal rebuild

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 08:46:07 AM »

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Dwade is 30 he's still pretty athletic...and pierce was in his 30s when the c's became contendors

Fact is you need a building block to rebuild...kg and ray don't want to come here without pierce...id rather have a building block than draft everyyear hoping someone is that building block...its going to be much easier convincing talent to come here with rondo at the point ragher than avery bradley

You have to start somewhere...or else you end up like the bobcats in eternal rebuild
in all fairness to the Bobcats, to be like them you'd also have to have an incompetent GM like Michael Jordan run the franchise into the ground with horrible draft picks in the lottery, bad trades and horrid FA signings.

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 09:06:38 AM »

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its really a case of whichever opportunity comes first on the trading block available and beneficial to us, the pieces to complement rondo as the future or those who can stick it out with the big 3's almost certain final run...

Pretty much this.  I have no preference. It's all based on what is actually available and what starts to happen during this trade window coming up.

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 09:41:19 AM »

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This is the reason I prefer to blow it up and move Rondo;  bad relationship.

You know when you're with a girlfriend and you got to that comfortable stage and then you're not sure if you two are exactly headed in the same direction and you get in silly arguments and then she catches you looking at another girl and you have some huge fight where you both say stuff you regret? Then you make up, and yeah sure, maybe make up sex is good, but uhhhh....this just isn't going to work long term.

I think we're there.  We had a nice relationship. Let's stay friends. But you need to at least move out and get your own apartment. You can keep the painting. I'll keep the pool table.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 09:58:25 AM »

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I'd like to keep Rondo because any other PG of his caliber is going to have a bigger contract.  However, he isnt going to be successful without bringing him a legit All-Star to play with