Trade Idea: Ray to Clippers

[LarBrd33]

I really think the Clippers could make a run.  They have the 6th best record in the league.  They are currently the 3rd seed in the West behind the Thunder and Spurs.  Blake and Cp3 are ridiculous together.

One glaring issue, though.  They have Randy Foye starting at SG.  *barf*.  Guy shoots 38%... 33% from three.  He's kinda a bum. 

BIllups getting injured kinda hurt (though he wasn't really a SG either).  Beyond that they are a pretty solid team.  Butler is a very capable SF.  Jordan is a very capable defensive/rebounding center.   Their main weakness is SG.  How much better would they be with Ray spreading the floor?  They'd be sick.  I think it would make them a legit threat to win the title this year.  I really do.

Problem is they'd have to trade us Mo Williams (expiring) to match salary... and Mo Williams has been pretty effective for them off the bench.  Shooting 43%, but 39% from three.  He seems to be struggling a bit this month though... 38% shooting... 35% from three.  I doubt he figures into their plans after this season.  If I'm them, I still JUMP at a chance to add Ray (even if for only this season) for Mo Williams.  Move Foye to the bench and I think it's a net gain.  You can't underestimate what Ray could do for them in the playoffs. 

Unfortunately we already own their 2012 draft pick.  We'd need some incentive to do it.  If they toss us their 2013 1st rounder I say we do it.  It'll come in handy during our lengthy rebuild.

Ray for Mo Williams and the Clippers 2013 1st round pick

*note:  They might not be able to trade this pick come to think of it... some rule about trading consecutive 1st rounders.  In which case... forget the whole thing... unless you want Eric Bledsoe or something.

 

[Celtics4ever]

Clippers picks may not have the value they once did as they are a better team.   I do not care for Mo Williams at all.  I 'd rather get a young asset we can use later or develop.

[chambers]

Clippers picks may not have the value they once did as they are a better team.   I do not care for Mo Williams at all.  I 'd rather get a young asset we can use later or develop.

I think OP is saying it has to be Mo Williams because of the salaries. OP doesn't love Mo either. We can have a young guy because it's not dumping enough salary for LAC.
It's basically Ray for a pick and hope that Mo can provide more scoring than Ray this year, feasible idea I suppose.
Only happens if they give us the pick or get us a pick from somewhere else.

[LarBrd33]

Clippers picks may not have the value they once did as they are a better team.   I do not care for Mo Williams at all.  I 'd rather get a young asset we can use later or develop.

I think OP is saying it has to be Mo Williams because of the salaries. OP doesn't love Mo either. We can have a young guy because it's not dumping enough salary for LAC.
It's basically Ray for a pick and hope that Mo can provide more scoring than Ray this year, feasible idea I suppose.
Only happens if they give us the pick or get us a pick from somewhere else.

OP here... Mo Williams is purely for salary reasons.  I'd want to buy him out so he doesn't accidentally help us win a couple games this year.  I'd do it from boston's perspective, because at this point it's about acquiring as many assets as possible for our lengthy rebuild.  Every little bit helps.  Better than letting Ray walk for nothing... and we have little go gain from letting him finish the year here.  If you can get a late 1st rounder for Ray you do it. 

[MBz]

It's a no brainer if you can acquire a pick in the deal.  You're getting close to the same amount of expiring contracts in Ray and a first round pick.  It actually seems realistic as well, I don't think Ray has the value to get much more in return, nice idea.

[greenhead85]

Mo will not bring much of a solution for the team's current problems. Though I admit he will be able to shoot the open shots that are usually given by teams for Rondo to take.

If Ray will be moved, I would want to trade him with Wilcox + one of our 1st round picks for Beasley, Wesley Johnson and Darko + Minny's 2nd round for 2012.

Or, trade Ray + Dooling + one of our 1st for Houston's Lee, Thabeet, Flynn or Budinger + one of their 2012 2nd round pick.

Either trade will give us a big and decent scorers.

[Geo123]

Mo will not bring much of a solution for the team's current problems. Though I admit he will be able to shoot the open shots that are usually given by teams for Rondo to take.

If Ray will be moved, I would want to trade him with Wilcox + one of our 1st round picks for Beasley, Wesley Johnson and Darko + Minny's 2nd round for 2012.

Or, trade Ray + Dooling + one of our 1st for Houston's Lee, Thabeet, Flynn or Budinger + one of their 2012 2nd round pick.

Either trade will give us a big and decent scorers.

I don't have much of a problem with the T-Wolve trade other than I'd rather have Randloph than Darko and I would definitely make it the lower of our 2 1st rounders. He's got a ton of potential. 

The Houston trade doesn't get us a big plus it's giving too much.  This is a deep draft this year and that #1 is valuable.  Thabeet is terrible so he's a big in size only. 

[MBz]

Mo will not bring much of a solution for the team's current problems. Though I admit he will be able to shoot the open shots that are usually given by teams for Rondo to take.

If Ray will be moved, I would want to trade him with Wilcox + one of our 1st round picks for Beasley, Wesley Johnson and Darko + Minny's 2nd round for 2012.

Or, trade Ray + Dooling + one of our 1st for Houston's Lee, Thabeet, Flynn or Budinger + one of their 2012 2nd round pick.

Either trade will give us a big and decent scorers.

The trade isn't met to help us now.  It's just to acquire a pick for the future while keeping cap flexibility.  If Rondo, Allen, Pierce or KG is traded, it's basically ownership and Danny telling us the rebuilding starts now.

[greenhead85]

Mo will not bring much of a solution for the team's current problems. Though I admit he will be able to shoot the open shots that are usually given by teams for Rondo to take.

If Ray will be moved, I would want to trade him with Wilcox + one of our 1st round picks for Beasley, Wesley Johnson and Darko + Minny's 2nd round for 2012.

Or, trade Ray + Dooling + one of our 1st for Houston's Lee, Thabeet, Flynn or Budinger + one of their 2012 2nd round pick.

Either trade will give us a big and decent scorers.

I don't have much of a problem with the T-Wolve trade other than I'd rather have Randloph than Darko and I would definitely make it the lower of our 2 1st rounders. He's got a ton of potential.

The Houston trade doesn't get us a big plus it's giving too much.  This is a deep draft this year and that #1 is valuable.  Thabeet is terrible so he's a big in size only. 

Agree with Randolph, though Darko I think is tougher in the middle than him. And yes, offering the lower of our 2 first picks is good enough. If Minny asks the higher one, I guess I have to leave that decision for Danny to make.

Getting Flynn is big plus though.

Thabeet could still be utilized in a much better way than he has shown since he entered the league.  If he learns and manages to roam/guard the rim most of the time against bigs and penetrating guards or forwards that would be awesome. He must remain focused every play and make conscious effort in stopping any penetration. Intangibles that he has are his good mobility, length and readiness to bang inside with anybody.

[Geo123]

Mo will not bring much of a solution for the team's current problems. Though I admit he will be able to shoot the open shots that are usually given by teams for Rondo to take.

If Ray will be moved, I would want to trade him with Wilcox + one of our 1st round picks for Beasley, Wesley Johnson and Darko + Minny's 2nd round for 2012.

Or, trade Ray + Dooling + one of our 1st for Houston's Lee, Thabeet, Flynn or Budinger + one of their 2012 2nd round pick.

Either trade will give us a big and decent scorers.

I don't have much of a problem with the T-Wolve trade other than I'd rather have Randloph than Darko and I would definitely make it the lower of our 2 1st rounders. He's got a ton of potential.

The Houston trade doesn't get us a big plus it's giving too much.  This is a deep draft this year and that #1 is valuable.  Thabeet is terrible so he's a big in size only. 

Agree with Randolph, though Darko I think is tougher in the middle than him. And yes, offering the lower of our 2 first picks is good enough. If Minny asks the higher one, I guess I have to leave that decision for Danny to make.

Getting Flynn is big plus though.

Thabeet could still be utilized in a much better way than he has shown since he entered the league.  If he learns and manages to roam/guard the rim most of the time against bigs and penetrating guards or forwards that would be awesome. He must remain focused every play and make conscious effort in stopping any penetration. Intangibles that he has are his good mobility, length and readiness to bang inside with anybody.

I think you are greatly over valuing Flynn.  He has been very poor this year.  Also, he's an undersized combo guard (6-0 tall) who really hasn't proven he can play the point.  Thabeet on the other hand is just plain bad.  It has been mentioned several times that he has no passion for basketball plus he doesn't wan tto learn.  He hasn't gotten any better and he's just plain a wasted roster spot.  You should read what some of the writers and trainers say about him including David Thorpe who actually tried ot work with him. 

[RajonRondo9Dime]

Clippers would be a great fit for Ray Allen... But like you said, there isn't a lot of incentive for Boston to make the deal. You'd have to somehow get a 3rd team involved to make it worth it for the C's.

[Geo123]

In my mind in order to get Ray Allen the Clippers would have to get a 3rd team involved since they don't have anything we would want in a trade (outside of players we can't have.

[RJ87]

Hmm, if there was a way to get Mo Will + Trey Thompkins (no picks) for Ray, I'd be all over that. But that asking price may be too high for Ray alone.

[Who]

Randy Foye + Ryan Gomes + #1 for Ray Allen

[MVP]

Maybe make it the 2014 or 2015 first round pick. That way if you luck out if Chris Paul decides to leave the Clippers after next year or if injuries happen to one of their key guys we may end up getting a lottery pick for it. The Clippers will probably insist on putting some kind of protection on it though (top 10 i would guess).