March deadline: Garnett+Bass+2 first round picks for Millsap and Big Al.

[chambers]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7nscxg6

Boston sends:
KG
Bass
2 first round picks
*Possibly Bradley or J.Johnson.

Utah sends:
Millsap
Al Jefferson
Raja Bell (not necessary but they might want to unload him)

We get two rebounders/paint scorers on the books for the next two years but give ourselves a much better shot at the glory this year. Both guys are scorers and rebounders and can run the floor with Rondo which is what we want.

Utah gets to develop Kanter and Favors much quicker whilst relieving themselves of these two big contracts.
We probably have to throw in at least one of our 2012 first rounders but they may actually take this if we included both first round picks or took on Raja Bell's contract.

Are we giving up too much?
If we could make this deal come March, would you pull the trigger.
Starting five:

Rondo
Ray
Pierce
MillSap
Big Al

Are we a playoff threat worth putting our 'rebuild' on hold for two years with this line up?

Does Utah laugh at us for suggesting this?

[Who]

No, I wouldn't do it. It doesn't make Boston a contender. Not too happy about getting stuck with Big Al's contract while trying to rebuild either. Then two first round picks on top of that (hurting rebuilding further). Not enough to make the team a contender plus hurts rebuilding. Non-starter for me.

As for Utah, I doubt they'd do this deal either. They won't want to give up Millsap. I am sure they'd like to keep him around to play with Kanter and Favors. They'll want to move Big Al at some point but they won't have any trouble finding offers for him. No need to give up Millsap without getting a superior bounty in return.

[greenlion]

i am resigned that the season is given up for good, but i still won't give up KG for any player in the league..not lebron, not kobe, not dirk or even dwight..i am giving them this year, granted its their last, be as it may that its a losing one...pride, faith and loyalty..that's what the celtics organization is all about..you don't give up on people just because they lose..

[anthony83]

i am resigned that the season is given up for good, but i still won't give up KG for any player in the league..not lebron, not kobe, not dirk or even dwight..i am giving them this year, granted its their last, be as it may that its a losing one...pride, faith and loyalty..that's what the celtics organization is all about..you don't give up on people just because they lose..

 +1000000000000000000000000000000000000

KG is not anything, it still remains a top of the league, he is our mainstay and our boss, please more respect for KG.

There is still time, but we should not go crazy, KG is still one of the best defenders in the league.

[chambers]

Well this way we could possibly attract free agents to Boston in the off season.
A trio of Rondo, Millsap and Aig Al might be decent bait to get a good shooting guard.

The thing that worries me is that after this year, if we can't attract any big name FA's, that Rondo is going to rot away in the prime of his career, and his price is going to go much higher than the 10 million we currently pay for him.

I love KG too, but if we can make the team better for the future I'm not going to hesitate moving him.
Hell, he could go to Utah, retire without playing a game, and then come back and play for Boston on the cheap.

[chambers]

No, I wouldn't do it. It doesn't make Boston a contender. Not too happy about getting stuck with Big Al's contract while trying to rebuild either. Then two first round picks on top of that (hurting rebuilding further). Not enough to make the team a contender plus hurts rebuilding. Non-starter for me.

As for Utah, I doubt they'd do this deal either. They won't want to give up Millsap. I am sure they'd like to keep him around to play with Kanter and Favors. They'll want to move Big Al at some point but they won't have any trouble finding offers for him. No need to give up Millsap without getting a superior bounty in return.

Big Al comes off the books in 2014, so we'd have him for 1.5 seasons.
They aren't happy with Millsap for some reason, they want to trade him for Rondo.
Seems like they are willing to give us Favors and a top 10 pick for Rondo,as long as we take on Harris- which I'd probably do as well, even after considering how much I hate Harris.

[LarBrd33]

Well this way we could possibly attract free agents to Boston in the off season.
A trio of Rondo, Millsap and Aig Al might be decent bait to get a good shooting guard.

If you did that trade you'd have no cap room to get a free agent.

[chambers]

Well this way we could possibly attract free agents to Boston in the off season.
A trio of Rondo, Millsap and Aig Al might be decent bait to get a good shooting guard.

If you did that trade you'd have no cap room to get a free agent.

You'd have Ray, JO and pretty much everyone else coming off the books with about 10-14 million to sign a FA wouldn't you?
Someone like Iguadala for 8-9 million a year, with Jeff Green off the bench or starting for Pierce?
Then Big AL comes off, leaving 15 million more to sign a FA big man in 2014-15.

starting five in 2014:
Rondo
Iggy
Jeff Green
Millsap
(insert beast free agent center here)

[Celtics4ever]

Not seeing Utah do this and this is a homer trade.

[chambers]

Not seeing Utah do this and this is a homer trade.

In Utah they call Big Al 'the black hole'.
They want Favors and Kanter in there ASAP, and these guys are pushing that back more than a year by being there.

They clear the cap space for free agents, and they also get two first round pick AND Brandon Bass coming in off the bench as the 6th man.

I don't think it's as homer as you're saying.
We are giving up a tonne, and I don't know what Utah will get as far as picks go for Millsap and Big AL because of their contract sizes.

If Utah said yes, would you go ahead?

[anthony83]

 Don´t trade KG,this would be a shame for the Celtics.

[Q_FBE]

They don't like Al Jefferson or Ronnie Millsap in Utah? This could be consideration. Any chance that we could get Kendrick Perkins for Wilcox and Jermaine O'Neal while we are at it. Perkins and Jefferson were going to be our starting frontline for the next 10 years at one time.

Next, I like the idea of trading out ..... (save it for another thread, Q man).

[Geo123]

No, I wouldn't do it. It doesn't make Boston a contender. Not too happy about getting stuck with Big Al's contract while trying to rebuild either. Then two first round picks on top of that (hurting rebuilding further). Not enough to make the team a contender plus hurts rebuilding. Non-starter for me.

As for Utah, I doubt they'd do this deal either. They won't want to give up Millsap. I am sure they'd like to keep him around to play with Kanter and Favors. They'll want to move Big Al at some point but they won't have any trouble finding offers for him. No need to give up Millsap without getting a superior bounty in return.

Big Al comes off the books in 2014, so we'd have him for 1.5 seasons.
They aren't happy with Millsap for some reason, they want to trade him for Rondo.
Seems like they are willing to give us Favors and a top 10 pick for Rondo,as long as we take on Harris- which I'd probably do as well, even after considering how much I hate Harris.

Where did you read that the Jazz weren't happy with Milsap?  The reason they are looking at trading either Jefferson or Milsap (not both) is to create playing time for Favors and Kanter.  The trade is bad for us.  We get a smaller PF and a C/PF who puts up numbers but is considered non-interested in defense.  Plus we give up alot of cap space. 

Putting Milsap and Jefferson in your lineup wouldn't make other players want to come to Boston as a FA.  Plus giving up 2 #1's is just terrible.  This is going to be a deep draft and WE NEED YOUNG ATHLETIC guys added to the roster...

[chambers]

No, I wouldn't do it. It doesn't make Boston a contender. Not too happy about getting stuck with Big Al's contract while trying to rebuild either. Then two first round picks on top of that (hurting rebuilding further). Not enough to make the team a contender plus hurts rebuilding. Non-starter for me.

As for Utah, I doubt they'd do this deal either. They won't want to give up Millsap. I am sure they'd like to keep him around to play with Kanter and Favors. They'll want to move Big Al at some point but they won't have any trouble finding offers for him. No need to give up Millsap without getting a superior bounty in return.

Big Al comes off the books in 2014, so we'd have him for 1.5 seasons.
They aren't happy with Millsap for some reason, they want to trade him for Rondo.
Seems like they are willing to give us Favors and a top 10 pick for Rondo,as long as we take on Harris- which I'd probably do as well, even after considering how much I hate Harris.

Where did you read that the Jazz weren't happy with Milsap?  The reason they are looking at trading either Jefferson or Milsap (not both) is to create playing time for Favors and Kanter.  The trade is bad for us.  We get a smaller PF and a C/PF who puts up numbers but is considered non-interested in defense.  Plus we give up alot of cap space. 

Putting Milsap and Jefferson in your lineup wouldn't make other players want to come to Boston as a FA.  Plus giving up 2 #1's is just terrible.  This is going to be a deep draft and WE NEED YOUNG ATHLETIC guys added to the roster...

On their forums and their fanblog, Millsap and Jefferson are quite polarizing, like Rondo to our fanbase.
The trade is bad for us? We get two All Star level big men who prove the scoring and rebounding we need right now, and the expensive one is locked up for one season after this.
Doc gets on to them defensively and we have a nasty starting 5 that is definitely competing for a title, both these guys would be getting the easiest makes from Rondo all day long, whilst giving us the defensive and OFFENSIVE rebounding that we so desperately require.

Do you really think we are going to strike gold twice in the lottery with two picks in the 15-20 range, or get two guys that would give us the production that these two would give us immediately?
Rondo needs able bodies now, and Millsap can definitely run the floor with Rondo and Jeff Green.

[LarBrd33]

Well this way we could possibly attract free agents to Boston in the off season.
A trio of Rondo, Millsap and Aig Al might be decent bait to get a good shooting guard.

If you did that trade you'd have no cap room to get a free agent.

You'd have Ray, JO and pretty much everyone else coming off the books with about 10-14 million to sign a FA wouldn't you?
Someone like Iguadala for 8-9 million a year, with Jeff Green off the bench or starting for Pierce?
Then Big AL comes off, leaving 15 million more to sign a FA big man in 2014-15.

starting five in 2014:
Rondo
Iggy
Jeff Green
Millsap
(insert beast free agent center here)

Nah... I like that you didn't bother to do any actual math you just kinda assumed "they come off the books... cap space! wee!"...

If you did your trade you'd have Rondo, Pierce, Big Al and Millisap under contract.  That's 54 mil right there... another 3.5 if you take on Bell's contract... so 57.5  ...

Cap is what... 58 mil?  That gives you a total of 0-4 mil to offer Jeff Green and Iggy.  But it is true after next season, BIg Al, Pierce and Millisap would all come off the books.... so then you'd have actual cap space.