Rondo is a problem and is the problem

[ejk3489]

Reality is C's have tried to move the guy often and there are no takers.  He is not an all star, and not a guy to build your team around (both in skill and in leadership).  I think most of the anti-Rondo sentiment on these boards is not saying he is a bad player, it's that the green eyed fans think way too highly of him and he isn't THAT good.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Fact is he IS an all-star, or he wouldn't of been voted in multiple times by coaches over the past two years, and almost every respectable NBA analyst had him on the team this year. If anything I think the "anti-Rondo fans" are more out of touch than the "green eyed fans"...he gets more respect from outside the league than he does here.

[incoherent]

Quote me and make fun of me in a couple of hours if this isn't true.

But I have a feeling the Celtics will play their hearts out tonight.  Without Rondo they always play their hearts out. 

Win or lose this will not be a disgraceful game to watch.

[Fafnir]

We offered him up for Westbrook and were turned down.  That deal was heavily reported.  The year before it was for Steph Curry; that was a rumor that was not as heavily reported.

Because every rumor is true, the deli guy told me so.

I don't buy a lot of trade rumors, the CP3 one I buy. But the Westbrook one, the Curry one, and the Stuckey/Rip/Prince for Ray/Rondo (or whatever it was) just never struck me as being all that solid.

[greenpride32]

Rondo is too good for this team and his talents are being wasted by some guys that are just a bit too old now.
He's not a superstar but he is the best facilitator in the game and probably the best open court transition point guard in the NBA. Two things that, combined with one superstar and the right players around them, could be a legitimate contender for an NBA Championship.
He's just outgrown this old starting squad now and needs an injection of talent and youth as he enters the best years of his NBA career.

Rondo was't even the 4th best player on the 2008 championship team.  He will never have the stature of KG Ray or Paul.  Everyone keeps saying he needs a superstar arond him; which basically means he isn't the star of the show (say like a D Rose).

[greenpride32]

We offered him up for Westbrook and were turned down.  That deal was heavily reported.  The year before it was for Steph Curry; that was a rumor that was not as heavily reported.

Because every rumor is true, the deli guy told me so.

I don't buy a lot of trade rumors, the CP3 one I buy. But the Westbrook one, the Curry one, and the Stuckey/Rip/Prince for Ray/Rondo (or whatever it was) just never struck me as being all that solid.

LOL at selectively wanting to believe the rumors.  Just like you can selectively believe all the good Rondo does and dimiss all the negative.

[Fafnir]

We offered him up for Westbrook and were turned down.  That deal was heavily reported.  The year before it was for Steph Curry; that was a rumor that was not as heavily reported.

Because every rumor is true, the deli guy told me so.

I don't buy a lot of trade rumors, the CP3 one I buy. But the Westbrook one, the Curry one, and the Stuckey/Rip/Prince for Ray/Rondo (or whatever it was) just never struck me as being all that solid.

LOL at selectively wanting to believe the rumors.  Just like you can selectively believe all the good Rondo does and dimiss all the negative.

There is something wrong with taking in the trade rumors and taking them with a grain of salt? The CP3 ones were consistent and reported in multiple ways and variants.

The others you mention and I brought up generally have one report that gets echoed. Look at the Rondo/Gasol rumor one guy spread around the internet based on his "source".

[JBcat]

I'd like to add not having bass hurts. He has been a very reliable scorer off the bench and we were playing well before he got hurt.

[Celticjay]

I wager Pierce will have a big night as he will be the defacto point again.  I bet Avery bradley has a good game but Kid won't be bothered by him. 

If the C's are competitive I think we need to look at Rondo as not being a great fit with THIS team.  If that is the case they need to bring in players that do fit (Runners, who can finish) or they need to trade him..

[greenpride32]

The others you mention and I brought up generally have one report that gets echoed. Look at the Rondo/Gasol rumor one guy spread around the internet based on his "source".

We're all going to go to our graves not knowing which of these trade offers were true and which were fabricated.  So why don't we just talk about basketball.  Facts are the C's record is much worse with Rondo in the lineup.  Fact is teams drift off Rondo and have an extra defender on the other 4 players; this would be a pretty good explanation for our anemic offense.  Nobody wants to talk about these issues because they are negative effects of Rondo.  You all want to talk about the rumors LOL.

[Fafnir]

I wager Pierce will have a big night as he will be the defacto point again.  I bet Avery bradley has a good game but Kid won't be bothered by him. 

If the C's are competitive I think we need to look at Rondo as not being a great fit with THIS team.  If that is the case they need to bring in players that do fit (Runners, who can finish) or they need to trade him..

Given their relative ages and talents of this team I don't think there is any possible trades for Rondo that I'd do to "win now".

So its better to attempt to move forward building a team with his strengths and limitations in mind.

[SHAQATTACK]

we need to quit making up excuses for eveybody on this team.

We have pinned the troubles on everybody , but the towel boy.

Its time they all steped up and played together.

They are getting huge salaries, if I don't figure it out at work , I get the axe.

SAme for the Celtics basketball team.

If they can't play and at least ACT like they want to win

Dump em all.

[CoachBo]

The fact is, the league doesn't view Rondo with the blind idolatry of this board.

They see a spoiled, selfish, immature player capable of a random act such as last night when his club needs him, not a temper tantrum.

I am extremely disappointed that Wyc hasn't fined him on top of the suspension, and even more disappointed that the club is going to coddle this selfishness by allowing Rondo to tag along for his buddy's birthday party in OKC, the guy whose trade caused him to pout away half of a season last year.

[Eja117]

Waiting to see if the Celts actually win with Bradley. Winning makes a big difference. Ask Kyle Orton.

[chambers]

Rondo is too good for this team and his talents are being wasted by some guys that are just a bit too old now.
He's not a superstar but he is the best facilitator in the game and probably the best open court transition point guard in the NBA. Two things that, combined with one superstar and the right players around them, could be a legitimate contender for an NBA Championship.
He's just outgrown this old starting squad now and needs an injection of talent and youth as he enters the best years of his NBA career.

Rondo was't even the 4th best player on the 2008 championship team.  He will never have the stature of KG Ray or Paul.  Everyone keeps saying he needs a superstar arond him; which basically means he isn't the star of the show (say like a D Rose).

But he is the best player NOW.
No one is arguing with you that he is not a superstar, but he is an All Star, and one of the best point guards in the league.
We can't get that kind of value back if we trade him, it's simply not possible. What kind of All Star could we get in return for Rondo? Maybe Millsap? The fact is that size is more regarded than point guards so GM's won't give up their bigs that we want, for our point guard that they want.

If we get rid of Rondo, what can we get in return?
The only thing I can think of that MIGHT be of similar value is a top 10 pick, and even then, how many top 5-10 picks actually turn into All Stars?
People are taking Rondo for granted here.
There are green glasses sure, but there are also complete and utter HATERS that love to find a scapegoat for this teams lack of success.
Rondo is carrying four thirty five year old men on his back.
He sprints down the court on a one man fast break and there is no one there for him to lob to, or dish to, unless it's Ray hanging back on the three point line.
My argument is not that he can be the superstar top 5 NBA player that we need, but he can be that guys accomplice.
He is still improving and getting better, and he's entering his prime.
Why get rid of him when he's the only bright piece we have for the future? What can we really get back for a player of his quality? Tell me please.

[esel1000]

btw can I say that this offense looks awful right now..no rondo...