Rondo is a problem and is the problem

[MBunge]

If we're looking for THE problem, let's not forget about turnovers.  Even going back to the championship year, these Celtics turn the ball over a startling number of times for a veteran team that mainly plays half court ball.

Mike

[Fafnir]

Rondo isn't the problem, he's just not the solution that we hoped for

I think this is a really insightful summation of the issue.  Rondo is good enough that his benefits generally outweigh his negatives.  For most of the game, he adds more than he takes away.  But he's not good enough to be the "solution" for this team's problems.

Indeed he's not Dwight Howard or LeBron James. Those are probably the only two talents that can really carry a team like people want their "star" to.

[RJ87]

Rondo isn't the problem, he's just not the solution that we hoped for

I think this is a really insightful summation of the issue.  Rondo is good enough that his benefits generally outweigh his negatives.  For most of the game, he adds more than he takes away.  But he's not good enough to be the "solution" for this team's problems.

Indeed he's not Dwight Howard or LeBron James. Those are probably the only two talents that can really carry a team like people want their "star" to.

I think this is the breakthrough in the "Everyone Hates Rondo" saga. He's not that sort of once in a generation talent, but he's still capable of being a piece for the future. And in all honesty, LBJ bolted CLE and D12 is trying to bolt Orlando, so even guys like D12 and LBJ can't carry their teams to the unrealistic heights some fans feel Rondo should.

[esel1000]

Rondo isn't the problem, he's just not the solution that we hoped for

I think this is a really insightful summation of the issue.  Rondo is good enough that his benefits generally outweigh his negatives.  For most of the game, he adds more than he takes away.  But he's not good enough to be the "solution" for this team's problems.

Indeed he's not Dwight Howard or LeBron James. Those are probably the only two talents that can really carry a team like people want their "star" to.

I think this is the breakthrough in the "Everyone Hates Rondo" saga. He's not that sort of once in a generation talent, but he's still capable of being a piece for the future. And in all honesty, LBJ bolted CLE and D12 is trying to bolt Orlando, so even guys like D12 and LBJ can't carry their teams to the unrealistic heights some fans feel Rondo should.

couldnt have said it better myself

[ozman]

to the op:
so then your solution would be to start Moore or dooling because they can shoot? and u would really take snash for 1 year, over rondo? Rondo who is just as good a facilitator and a much better defender and athlete.

 i get the feeling you play too much 2k12

[Swoopz]

 I repeat: You cannot have a point guard in the NBA that CANNOT make shots consistently.

 Clearly, Rondo is not the only problem, the rebound is a big problem (it comes in a while).

Pierce and Allen are not being regulars in your game.
We need a center.

Little bench, only Wilcox, Bass and Pietrus.

 Bradley and Moore to the D´League.

Ooohhh, because you bolded it, it must be true.

[PosImpos]

Rondo isn't the problem, he's just not the solution that we hoped for

I think this is a really insightful summation of the issue.  Rondo is good enough that his benefits generally outweigh his negatives.  For most of the game, he adds more than he takes away.  But he's not good enough to be the "solution" for this team's problems.

Indeed he's not Dwight Howard or LeBron James. Those are probably the only two talents that can really carry a team like people want their "star" to.

well, I think the list of "solution" players is a lot longer than that, but yeah, Rondo isn't a franchise superstar.

[Celtics Fan]

Rondz is not the problem..He's playing by himself.

[Celtics Fan]

And for the guys who started this thread think before you talk Trade Rondz. It's a team in miami who would love to have him. I know there is no doubt they would win a ring with Rajon. So be happy that we have this guy buddy.  15/10 you shouldn't complain.

[scaryjerry]

Sure...its not the fact that pierce allen and kg look like shells of their former selves.

Btw rondo is hitting 43% of his long jumpers this year...it looks improved to me

Although he has improved, Rondo does not know create their own shots, this is still a problem.

In addition, he plays well when he wants and that can not be.

Hes shot 50% from the field for his career and gets to the basket nearly as well as anyone, his jumper is better...but he cant create his own shots? nevermind creating easy shots for the corpes of the big 3

[LarBrd33]

everyone calm down.  Pierce is still solid for another couple years at least.  Rondo is still Rondo.  Neither of those guys is a "problem".  The "problem" is our deeply flawed roster beyond the capable 3 and Rondo.  If we had Jeff Green, healthy Shaq and Krstik on this team we'd be better off.  If we had Perk we'd be better off.  If we had Tony ALlen we'd be better off.  If we had David West we'd be better off.  

We got stuck with our pants down after the lockout.  Things didn't work out.  I'm sure Danny has been trying his best to make magic out of thin air, but it's not gonna happen.  At this point we need to have an eye towards the future and if that means getting cap room and future prospects for Pierce, you have to consider it.  THat has nothing to do with Pierce being a bad player... it has to do with him still having value to a contender for the next couple years and Boston NOT being a contender.

[scaryjerry]

If the celtics come out and beat dallas and okc without him, you may have a point, until then hes clearly there best player..maybe there has become a chemistry problem though

[greenpride32]

The team was winning and playing well with Rondo out of the lineup.  He comes back and we're back to playing under .500 just like the start of the year with Rondo.  I don't think it's fair to put all the blame on Rondo; but he is not a fit for this team.  I read a stat were we scored an average of 6 less points when he came back.  We're back to struggling to break 80 points a night.  

Problem is Rondo creates 4 on 5 situations on the offensive end (against us).  Having a player in basketball who is completely unguarded is really abnormal.  I mean even a guy like Ben Wallace in his prime has a guy stuck on him to box out if nothing else.  Now let's think of sports where man disadvantages are a regular occurrence; hockey and soccer.  If you know either of those sports a man advantage is HUGE.  

I will agree Rondo's jumper looks a little better this year.  But his shots are all wide open and unchallenged (or in other words as easy as it gets) so that doens't make it impressive.  Now if the other team is purposely doing this because they have little confidence he can do it consistently and it takes all of other guys out... hrm don't you think that is probaby bad for us?

Reality is C's have tried to move the guy often and there are no takers.  He is not an all star, and not a guy to build your team around (both in skill and in leadership).  I think most of the anti-Rondo sentiment on these boards is not saying he is a bad player, it's that the green eyed fans think way too highly of him and he isn't THAT good.

[chambers]

Reality is C's have tried to move the guy often and there are no takers.  He is not an all star, and not a guy to build your team around (both in skill and in leadership).  I think most of the anti-Rondo sentiment on these boards is not saying he is a bad player, it's that the green eyed fans think way too highly of him and he isn't THAT good.

Can you prove this?
The only person I can realistically say they would have probably moved him for is Chris Paul, who was recently voted in the NBA's top five players.
They have not tried to 'move the guy often', that's complete garbage. Not an All Star? Last time I checked he is, and if not for an injury this year, he would be again. In fact he was voted third in the east by the fans. He was also voted in the NBA all defensive team as the point guard.
Please stop foaming blatant nonsense to prove your point.
The reality?
Rondo is too good for this team and his talents are being wasted by some guys that are just a bit too old now.
He's not a superstar but he is the best facilitator in the game and probably the best open court transition point guard in the NBA. Two things that, combined with one superstar and the right players around them, could be a legitimate contender for an NBA Championship.
He's just outgrown this old starting squad now and needs an injection of talent and youth as he enters the best years of his NBA career.

[greenpride32]

We offered him up for Westbrook and were turned down.  That deal was heavily reported.  The year before it was for Steph Curry; that was a rumor that was not as heavily reported.