Rondo is a problem and is the problem

[anthony83]

You cannot have a point guard in the NBA that CANNOT make shots consistently. I would take NASH over RONDO even if he has maybe 1 more yr left in him. Just because Rondo can pass it doesnt make him an Elite player, he is moody and the Celtics end up playing accordingly. He looks like he doesnt care, time and time again the shot clock goes down to 6,5, 4 seconds simply because there is no one open and he cant shoot even if his life depended on it. He plays aggressive at times but he needs to develop a quick jumper from anywhere and THEN the Celtics will be a threat.

 Rondo plays well when he wants.

 Rondo = Trade sorry

[cman88]

Sure...its not the fact that pierce allen and kg look like shells of their former selves.

Btw rondo is hitting 43% of his long jumpers this year...it looks improved to me

[anthony83]

Sure...its not the fact that pierce allen and kg look like shells of their former selves.

Btw rondo is hitting 43% of his long jumpers this year...it looks improved to me

Although he has improved, Rondo does not know create their own shots, this is still a problem.

In addition, he plays well when he wants and that can not be.

[RJ87]

This might've held some weight two years ago - maybe even last year. But Rondo is taking that elbow jumper quite a bit this year and he's making it.

If Rondo is a problem, he's not the ONLY problem. This is a seriously flawed team. Is Rondo the reason we have no post scoring presence? No (actually, he may be our best post-up option). Is he the reason we can't rebound? No. The problem is fans need to stop looking for a single problem and a quick fix. This team has quite a few issues and it's becoming increasingly unlikely that they'll be able to pull it together by the playoffs - with or without trades.

[anthony83]

 I repeat: You cannot have a point guard in the NBA that CANNOT make shots consistently.

 Clearly, Rondo is not the only problem, the rebound is a big problem (it comes in a while).

Pierce and Allen are not being regulars in your game.
We need a center.

Little bench, only Wilcox, Bass and Pietrus.

 Bradley and Moore to the D´League.

[IrishGreen]

Blah Blah. Another one of these HORRIFIC threads singling out our best player.

[RJ87]

 I repeat: You cannot have a point guard in the NBA that CANNOT make shots consistently.

 Clearly, Rondo is not the only problem, the rebound is a big problem (it comes in a while).

Pierce and Allen are not being regulars in your game.
We need a center.

Little bench, only Wilcox, Bass and Pietrus.

 Bradley and Moore to the D´League.

The name of this thread is "Rondo is a problem and is THE problem". If that's not what you meant, then perhaps you should consider changing the name of the thread.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Having a PG who averages 15/10 on 48% shooting is very detrimental to a team, I agree.

[OsirusCeltics]

Sure...its not the fact that pierce allen and kg look like shells of their former selves.

Btw rondo is hitting 43% of his long jumpers this year...it looks improved to me

KG and Paul Pierce didn't look like shell of themselves when Rondo was injured and wasn't playing

Hmmmmmmmm....

[Fafnir]

KG's play with and without Rondo has held pretty steady. Pierce has just been wildly inconsistent all year and Ray started crattering after a hot start once teams realized how easy it was to deny him the ball.

Rondo isn't the problem, he's just not the solution that we hoped for offensively. Its hard to tell whether its his lack of growth or the decaying parts around him that have held this team's offense stagnant.

Defensively the team can still bring it most nights with KG there, but now the old legs of KG/Pierce/Allen/O'Neal can't secure enough rebounds to finish off excellent defensive work initially.

[RJ87]

Sure...its not the fact that pierce allen and kg look like shells of their former selves.

Btw rondo is hitting 43% of his long jumpers this year...it looks improved to me

KG and Paul Pierce didn't look like shell of themselves when Rondo was injured and wasn't playing

Hmmmmmmmm....

Paul started the season in hibernation, then played well just long enough to earn an All-Star nod, then went right back into hibernation. Hmmmmmmmm....

[OsirusCeltics]

Sure...its not the fact that pierce allen and kg look like shells of their former selves.

Btw rondo is hitting 43% of his long jumpers this year...it looks improved to me

KG and Paul Pierce didn't look like shell of themselves when Rondo was injured and wasn't playing

Hmmmmmmmm....

Paul started the season in hibernation, then played well just long enough to earn an All-Star nod, then went right back into hibernation. Hmmmmmmmm....

You can make the case for Dirk and plenty of other veterans due to the lockout. But isn't it funny that when Paul Pierce came back to form Celtics started to rack up wins, and when Rondo got injured he became player of the week, playing at a high level, as well as Garnett

But as soon as Rondo came back with his ball dominating ways, Paul and Garnett seem to not be involved in the offense
Hmmmmmmmm....

[RJ87]

Sure...its not the fact that pierce allen and kg look like shells of their former selves.

Btw rondo is hitting 43% of his long jumpers this year...it looks improved to me

KG and Paul Pierce didn't look like shell of themselves when Rondo was injured and wasn't playing

Hmmmmmmmm....

Paul started the season in hibernation, then played well just long enough to earn an All-Star nod, then went right back into hibernation. Hmmmmmmmm....

You can make the case for Dirk and plenty of other veterans due to the lockout. But isn't it funny that when Paul Pierce came back to form Celtics started to rack up wins, and when Rondo got injured he became player of the week, playing at a high level, as well as Garnett

But as soon as Rondo came back with his ball dominating ways, Paul and Garnett seem to not be involved in the offense
Hmmmmmmmm....

Except that KG has still been playing pretty decent with Rondo and without Rondo. It's Paul that's fallen off a cliff. In that time frame though, Rondo has been playing at a high level and somehow our inability to win is still his fault?

I forgot who it was who called Pierce the "golden cow" around these parts, but they deserve a serious TP.

[Fafnir]

Pierce has been taking either 18 or 11 ish shots a game (weirdly going between the two extremes), and 9 out of the last 11 games shooting under 50%. If you want to blame that all on Rondo I guess you can, but overall I the compresses schedule is just wearing on him. Especially given how out of shape he was as the start due to his heel injury and the lockout.

[PosImpos]

Rondo isn't the problem, he's just not the solution that we hoped for

I think this is a really insightful summation of the issue.  Rondo is good enough that his benefits generally outweigh his negatives.  For most of the game, he adds more than he takes away.  But he's not good enough to be the "solution" for this team's problems.